| Author | Message | ||
     Fl_a1a |
http://www.skilledrider.com/downloads/Accident.wmv | ||
| Road_thing |
Ouch. Rider had nowhere to go. If he'd been further to the left he might have been able to swerve behind the spinning car, but his positioning in his lane didn't give him much choice. Hope he's OK. rt | ||
| Josh_ |
I believe that was a "she" and there's a forum somewhere where she discusses the accident. I believe also the cager tried to blame it on her - until the cop saw the camera footage. Traffic sucks. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I hope that guy gets shamed everywhere he goes for being a no-driving-weasel. Hopefully the video will keep his legend alive for a long, long time. | ||
| Slaughter |
Yeah - that is Dawn Champion - she's a racer here at Willow Springs and yeah, the video sure shows the idiot move on the part of the driver. She was fully geared up, minor bruises though if I remember, the bike was pretty bent up. More info in an article in the Orange County Register http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/abox/art icle_1027776.php | ||
| Ccryder |
Bottom line is that she did not leave herself an out. We can blame the cage driver all we want but, he/ she just had to replace a little sheet metal and plastic. The rider had to heal, hopefully only some bruises. The traffic on her right was slowing much faster than her, the traffic in the left lane (besides the SOB that caused the accident) was also slowing quickly. If she had paced herself with anyone besides the SOB to her left, she would probably had time to stop. This video has been discussed to death here and many other forums. Someone even said: "She laid it down to avoid the accident." Hmm, avoid what? Look at this video many times and learn from it! Neil S. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I used to be on Socal riders a lot and ride with the San Diego Contingent, that's where I first saw this. That is a short clip out of what she had recorded. She happened to be testing out a new helmet cam she had just bought or she would have had no way of proving what had happened. Luck for her in that respect. I have wondered when the technology will become affordable and small enough to make this sort of record of your riding common place. One way to get the cagers to "see you" is to make sure they know that there are serious consequences for hitting a rider. Ask any rider with an ex-police H-D, BMW, or Kawi if drivers see them. It isn't that they don't see you, it's that they don't see you as a threat to them. Right now too many states (ahem)-South Dakota, (cough-Janklow) give drivers a pass if they hurt or even kill a rider. Change that and habits will change. | ||
| Djkaplan |
No sense beating this to death again, but I certainly would not second guess the rider in that situation. In any case, at least she was geared up, which was much more important than having video proof of what happened. | ||
| Bake |
And why would the car driver make that maneuver? | ||
| Mtch |
the car driver braked hard, locked the wheels and skidded. thats bad car control, no matter what the biker could have done the accident was caused by the driver losing control. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
had she been an SUV that civic would have been toast, and nobody would have cared about what exit was left for that driver. People are just idiots. Glad she was all geared up. This is why I hate traffic | ||
| Kowpow225 |
Very wierd. It looks to me like the rear wheels of the car locked almost akin to pulling the e-brake. Something seriously wrong mechanically with the cars rear brakes. There didn't seem to be anything on the road that would make it slicker on the drivers side but obviously the tape didn't show everything. | ||
| Coal400 |
That's a tough one... good thing for the footage. | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
Not this video again... I think we all agreed there was something fishy going on with the civic. A car (even without abs) should not pull a 180 when locking the brakes on a straight level road. | ||
| Bad_karma |
You can not protect yourself 100% of the time unless you leave the bike parked in the garage. Maybe she could have done a bit better. I dough many of us would have done as well including myself. No amount of safety training (here it comes) can protect you from stupidity! Make the best choices you can, wear your gear but short of not driving in these traffic condition your are going to get collected. Why isn't there more advanced driving course for cars. Why is it when I got my bike in the military I had to have a rider safety class. Why not for my car? Social thinking like this will continue to blame the rider in the great majority of these cases. I'm surprised to hear it here. Joe | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
"Bottom line is that she did not leave herself an out" When leaving your "Out" you might assume that car might change lanes and maybe even brake hard after doing so. Don't know that I'd be expecting it to spin around and suddenly be traveling the wrong direction! | ||
| Coal400 |
Yea that's a tough one. You cant really leave your self much of an out in that situation. If I had to guess, I'd say the right rear wheel drum had something come apart causing the lockup of the right rear wheel. Some drum brakes have a spreader that fits between the shoes. Could have also been the star adjuster. I did not learn much from this video, other than the fact that its good to have a camera mounted on your bike. It will not save your life, but it could save your a$$ in court. | ||
| Ccryder |
People, animals, weather and, Mother Nature all do things that can cause us harm on 2 wheels. It is the individual rider's responsibility to look at our ride and determine where there is a risk and how much. Based on that and experience, we decide how we should ride in that particular situation. For example: I have a favorite set of twisties that I ride 2x per day. Usually (since we have not had much rain)I blast thru these turns and get a big grin but, trucks may cut the corner and throw gravel or dirt, rain may wash gravel across the turn, cages run over the dbl yellow or, bambi decides to go for a stroll. Since this is the street and not the track (where things should be more controlled) I run these scenarios through my brain every time I lean into these great turns. Do I hold back?? He]] YES! I ride my own ride, 20,000-30,000 miles a year and I have kept safe by playing out in my mind what might happen in the next scenario that presents itself to me, 2-6-15 seconds out, that how I ride safe. If I can't predict what might happen next, I give myself some more cushion until my personal level of safety is met. Everytime I her a story of an accident, see a film clip or, read about what has happened, I take it in and learn from it. I store it back in that database that we all have b/t our ears. Look, listen, learn and apply. Time for me to ride too much of this "net" stuff makes my right hand twitch for another turn. Lean more, grin more and, ride more. Neil S. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I say the rider did everything she could. Notice how she made a cut towards the small gap between the spinning car and the stopped car. That is exactly what I would've done. Assuming the spinning car would've stopped a couple feet from the stopped car, she could've made it. I also say there is nothing wrong with that Civic. If you look at the front wheels, they are turned. The car did not happen to spin. The driver locked up the brakes, and tried to swerve, at the same time. Causing a spin. Sorry to keep this thread alive, but I haven't seen this before. | ||
| Rainman |
Having taken a few accident reconstruction classes and being to hundreds of wrecks as a reporter, the skid marks left by the Civic would have nailed the driver as the cause, especially when compared to the damage on the car's front end and the fact that it was sideways in the lane when stopped. As for the brakes, if the driver suddenly realized that the Wal-Mart sale to die for was in the far right lane and decided to slam on and hang a right, it could happen or if something went wrong with the right front wheel (tie rod maybe although the car seems too new for that) it could lose control. Who knows. Just be careful out there. | ||
| Bad_karma |
Until the LEO's quit hiding behind their radars and start ticketing the poor/unsafe driving habits this will continue. The judges have to quit minimizing the offenses and issue maximum penalties. Speed doesn't kill stupidity does. Joe | ||
| Blake |
What Neil (CCRyder) said. | ||
| Ccryder |
Blake: Sorry for the rant, I should have just searched out the last time I "ranted" and posted a link ;+ }. Anyway, time to ride, me and the Mrs. are off to Lynchburg (Yes Jack D's home) for a fall colors ride. Ride more, lean more, GRIN more. Neil S. | ||
| Kyrocket |
I've never seen that before. Is it just my media player or does it stop after 21 seconds? The time stamp says 2:20something I believe. As for an out, that would be pretty hard in that situation. If you expected the worst for every vehicle you passed you'd be a nervous wreck and not enjoy the ride at all and usually the superslab is very monotonous straight forward riding/driving anyway. I usually try to stay off the freeway as much as possible. Our speed limits were just raised to 70 so most are doing 80 and reading a newspaper. Just my .02 worth. Michael | ||
| Kowpow225 |
I had a bus driver in middle school who would knit at each stoplight along the way. No joke. | ||
| Bumblebee |
This is the first time I saw that video, Not to much that could be done there. When in traffic I always try to keep my delta speed close to that of other vehicles, so I wouldn't have been going as fast, another thing that caught my eye is that Civic was accelerating even though traffic in it's lane was slowing - which threw up a red flag, I most likely would have moved one lane over to the left... But, I wasn't there, and the very thing may have happened if I was riding. | ||
| Trac95ker |
I would have braked hard and gone left toward the opening but I wasn't in her shoes. Sometimes no matter what you do things happen that you have no control over. | ||
| Swordsman |
"This video has been discussed to death here and many other forums. Someone even said: "She laid it down to avoid the accident." Hmm, avoid what? " Yeah, she laid it down alright... just after it tossed her over the hood! I've pulled one of those 180's in my old Eclipse, but it was a zero brake pedal, 100% parking brake lock-up. Dunno how you could do it otherwise...? ~SM |
