| Author | Message | ||
     Brokeneck |
Finally got my S3 FI sorted out - Now planning a 1200 mile trip to Moab and Canyonlands for the end of the month if the snow stays away. Want to dump the fluids before I go -- seems like I saw on some "old guys" profile that he was using a larger automotive oil filter and even a secondary filter to increase oil capacity -- any advice? PS if you check my profile old is a relative term -- Thanks as always -- Brokeneck | ||
| Warlizard |
The extra capacity should help w/ cooling. Be carefull, the larger filters are notorious for backing off. | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Bob, If you use the K&N filter, it come with a safety wire feature. If not you can use a hose clamp to keep it from rotating by resting against the cases. I think the # is HP-1003 for the K&N.When you get old you tend to forget things like numbers.  Charlie | ||
| Djkaplan |
I use the longer Dyna filter from Harley. It increases capacity about 1/2 quart. It's long enough so I can poke a hole in it and drain it without getting oil on the cases. Makes it a lot cleaner to remove. | ||
| Aesquire |
Dyna filter, It's the same diameter, just longer. Black or Chrome. The Ford filter's work, ( same as a 351? ) but are larger diameter, & tire may touch in heavy braking. During the stoppie. Avoiding the deer. | ||
| Oldog |
Hey DJ thanks for pointing that trick out about piercing the filter can, that makes the task quick and much cleaner.. | ||
| Rustyx1w |
I have been using a Fram TG8A since I have owned my X1W. Sure seems to help it run cooler having some more oil in the system. I am sure that the larger surface area of the bigger filter probably helps with cooling also. No problems encountered, wish there was room on the FXR to use a bigger filter but there isn't enough clearance to get one in there. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Ford V8 filters fit, they provide extra capacity If you really want some extra oil Napa 1773 is think its from a Ford Truck from the 1970's with the huge 429's/ It holds 2 quarts. | ||
| Sloppy |
Are these filters rated for the same oil pressure bypass ratings? | ||
| Sleez |
sloppy, no they are not, and is the biggest possible problem with running these filters!!! i wouldn't recommend it!! but many have done it with no problems...i wouldn't take the chance to save a couple buck or decrease my oil temp by 2 degrees. benefits don't outweigh the potential failure!! i run the dyna filter myself. FWIW, YMMV lol | ||
| Jjjoutside |
Several years ago, I had a Fram filter "burst" on a truck. After a little internet research, it appeared that Fram is fairly well known for inexpensive construction and I was not the first to see one explode. Perhaps they have solved their problems, but nothing with the name "Fram" goes on anything I own now. YMMV... JJJ | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
I use the longer Dyna filter from Harley Do you have the Harley part # for that please? Thanks. (Message edited by steveshakeshaft on September 17, 2007) | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I've heard bad story's about fram's also. In fact, we took 3 different filters apart in automotive school: Basic Fram - Cheapest guts, missing some safety parts that both the others had. Basic Napa - Higher quality filter, had more, stuff inside (thats a good thing) K&N - The higher quality was obvious | ||
| Rich |
I run a Dyna filter and a billet-cool on my RS. | ||
| Rich |
Steve, the part # is- 63812-90 | ||
| Sleez |
read all about it here; http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.ht ml which is why i have stayed away from fram for awhile now! | ||
| Ryker77 |
"Are these filters rated for the same oil pressure bypass ratings?" Some are - some are not. Wix provides detailed info on each filter model. Look them up. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"i wouldn't take the chance to save a couple buck or decrease my oil temp by 2 degrees. benefits don't outweigh the potential failure!!" My guess is that it provides more than 2 degrees of temp drop. The biggest benifit is more oil that allows for cleaner oil - longer. Also some of a saftey factor in that you have more oil in the system - so that if you run a 1qt low on the tank, the system still has the oil in the filter. So long as the oil bypass pressure is the same. Why not? | ||
| Chasespeed |
The big K&N is HP-3001, and its ready for safety wiring.... I never had mine back off on me though... Chase | ||
| Bigdaddy |
I've been running the Autozone FL1A, haven't a clue who makes it, and I've not had any issues with it backing off. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I had an FL1A back off on my Cyclone... at a really bad time. I was lucky I didn't crash. Just throw a big hose clamp on it, the nut will catch on the cases to keep it from rotating off. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I say use whatever filter you want at this point. If there was a real problem using automotive spec filters on XL engines, we would certainly have heard about it by now. I'll keep using the factory Dyna filter, though. I've never had one loosen up and it's easy to remove when the time comes. | ||
| Jlkkwhite |
A Dyna filter and a slip over finned billet cooler seems to work very well.Noticeable drop in temp.Most days you can place your hand right on the filter after a long ride.Try that without one.They say as much as a 30 degree drop. Thats my .02$ | ||
| Djkaplan |
If that billet piece really lowered the oil temperature by 30 degrees, your oil would be too cool most of the time. | ||
| Sloppy |
If the oil pressure bypass is too low it will send UNFILTERED oil into the engine... Just recommending that folks do a little research. | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
Thank you Rich, appreciated. | ||
| Reepicheep |
But the oil pressure the bypass valve sees is not a function of the oil pressure of the motorcycle, its a function of the pressure differential across the filter media. So the bypass valve "setting" would be defined by the volume of oil that is being moved, and how hard it is to move it through the given filter type and its total surface area. The filter resistance and surface are is an attribute of the filter, not the motorcycle, so the bypass would be "tuned to the filter". The volume of oil moved is a function of the motorcycle, but I struggle to believe that the oil pump on an Buell motor is pumping more oil then an F150 V8 (which also uses the FL1A). So while there probably is some interplay (an oiling system that tries to move more oil will lead to easier clogged filters), the vastly larger surface area of an FL1A means that it is probably FAR less likely to *ever* go into "bypass mode" then the stock filter. Which should never go into bypass mode either, by the way. If you get an FL1A or stock filter into bypass mode, you are probably already sliding the bike sideways down the interstate in a smokey mess of spraying oil and locked up rubber... with crank case and engine chunks tumbling along behind you... | ||
| Sloppy |
Reepie - yes, you are correct, the bypass rating is based upon the presssure inside the media vs. outside the media (delta P). I'd suppose that the bypass valve's true application is to make sure that you get oil flow at low oil temperatures, like at startup after a cold night rather than from the media plugging up. And yes, with larger surface area of filter media you would get lower dP. I'm not saying don't use other filters (I use WIX but checked the dP and filter media ratings), I'm just saying that just because it's the same thread size doesn't mean it should be used. I'd always recommend checking with the supplier to see what they recommend. As always, let the buyer beware. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Wix has a very good website to compare the total filter specs. | ||
| Brokeneck |
NRHS offers a slick looking aluminum reusable / cleanable oil filter. Anyone ever run one? Seems pricey but very cool looking. Aluminum design might make he oil cool better. Any feedback appreciated. (Message edited by brokeneck on September 23, 2007) | ||
| Sloppy |
I don't care for screen filters (that's what the old VW bugs used). I prefer the depth filtration that paper based media gives. It allows for the particulates to get trapped at different depths to minimize the obstruction to flow over time. In other words, you have to clean a screen filter more frequently than a depth filter. And based on price, it will take something like 10 years for a re-clean filter to pay for itself over standard filters. But it does look cool... | ||
| Brokeneck |
Looked so cool I bought it -- we'll give it a try this weekend -- headed to Black Hills for a 4 day 1200 mile ride -- Thanks to all for the input -- | ||
| Bad_karma |
I was checking into getting an oil pressure gage for the S3. The manual list oil pressure at 15 psi. Makes sense with the roller bearings. So the point is not anywhere the pressure that automotive oiling systems run. Now a question, will it develop enough pressure to get the delta for the bypass to function? Joe |
