| Author | Message | ||
     Rotzaruck |
I'm not smart enough to post a link,(foxnews.com). There's a school in AZ that has suspended a kid for DRAWING a gun. Not drawing like Ringo, but like a kid with a few minutes and a piece of paper. His Dad went to school and they started talking about Columbine. No word of threats or actions, just a sketch. I wonder if he'd drawn a sketch of two guys kissing if he'd have gotten a scholarship? Just wanted to share my frustration, as a dad, and my feelings for this kid and his parents. I guess kids need to be steered away from art too, they might draw something offensive. | ||
| Froggy |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294145,00.html Theres your link  My opinion: Its a factory turned upside down. (Message edited by Froggy on August 23, 2007) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Umm perhaps I'm being dense here, but isn't the idea that the kids go to school to be taught? & I'd think that this would be a case where the teacher just ought to say quietly to the kid that it's not such a good idea. I wonder what would have happened if he'd drawn a picture of a plane & a tower block on the same page? probably be in jail by now! I've no idea where we're all going but we're sure going there fast! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's a case of our children being taught by the dumbest human beings to ever walk the planet. Unfortunately, the students are the children of the second dumbest human beings to ever walk the planet. | ||
| Ratyson |
Yay for Government schools. They will get us to comply, one child at a time. One day, we will all be non-thinkers, just following in lock step... then they will have completed their goal. | ||
| Slaughter |
What surprises me is that when I hear S^$% like this, it doesn't surprise me any more. There are TONS of stories like this. We have a child development center out here at Edwards Air Force Base - Judy Janisse Child Development Center - that took away coloring books because it was felt that "forcing" children to color between lines was sending the wrong message, creating stress or some such &%$#. Bottom line, they took the coloring books away. I guess I must be so badly damaged by my childhood coloring book experiences that I am repressing the trauma! You just can't make this stuff up! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The good news is that the dumber they graduate, the longer my skill-set remains marketable. I say graduate them as dumb as possible, and it'll make it easier for me to take over the world. | ||
| Djkaplan |
When I was kid in the 60's, I had a realistic (but plastic) rifle that actually shot plastic bullets out of magazines that you loaded just like the real thing. I think I played with it for a week, lost most of the bullets, then lost interest in it. Eventually, I had more fun with a hankerchief and string (to make a small parachute). I played with that parachute for the entire summer. The point I'm making is: kids need to be kids. Teach them manners and how to be social, but you got to let them use their imagination, too. I saw the drawing of the pistol the kid made... I use to doodle little rifles and pistols on my schoolwork too, as well as B-52's dropping nuclear bombs on cities. I can't think of one time ever hearing about a kid shooting up a school back then. | ||
| Hammeroid |
pretty crappy sketch for a 13 year old. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
There's always an art critic loitering somewhere!  But you're right, my 8yr old can draw better than that. | ||
| Djkaplan |
We have a child development center out here at Edwards Air Force Base... Good grief. Most of my elementary education was in schools on military bases overseas and stateside (I was an Army Brat). I always felt I got a decent education from those schools. No one can control a class like a retired 1st Sgt or Colonel... believe me. When I learned about the Battle of the Bulge in history class, I actually had a teacher that was there. That's the kind of education military dependents use to get. I wonder what Colonel Jordan (Ret) would have thought about all this mumbo-jumbo... | ||
| Rasmonis |
Looked to me like a badly drawn factory & sidewalk. What gun? Hey teacher! Leave those kids alone! If you don't eat your meat...how can you have any pudding! | ||
| Rasmonis |
Looked to me like a badly drawn factory & sidewalk. What gun? Hey teacher! Leave those kids alone! | ||
| Buellerandy |
So the kid likes guns...how many people here have kids that hunt? I did at that age, in fact I remember browsing the internet for my browning 12 gauge and no one thought anything of it...what a crock... | ||
| Greenlantern |
 Looks like a rough concept underslung muffler to me! Send this kid to East Troy immediately!!!  | ||
| Jayvee |
Are you guys crazy?! That's a "Cop Killer" Assault Pistol sketch! It doesn't even have a safety drawn! That's a weapon of mass destruction sketch ! (I used to play with a Mattel Thompson .45 submachine gun, just like Sgt. Rock on the TV show "Combat!" Now kids have to play with imaginary IEDs I suppose...) | ||
| Xbduck |
Hey wait a minute, that looks like a trigger lock hanging down from the trigger guard. Seems to me the boy was showing safe gun handling techniques. Even his picture of a gun had a trigger lock! Way to go kid! P.S. Don't drink the water kid. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I used to play with a Mattel Thompson .45 submachine gun, just like Sgt. Rock on the TV show "Combat!" Now kids have to play with imaginary IEDs I suppose... Hey, you whacko... that was Sgt Saunders on the TV show 'Combat!'. Sgt Rock was the leader of Easy Company in the comic books. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Can you imagine the uproar if they caught the kid with a copy of this?  | ||
| Court |
>>>The good news is that the dumber they graduate, the longer my skill-set remains marketable. I could not agree more. I live in the largest city in the United States and one that proudly graduates LESS than 50% of entering students. My Dad retired at 52 and I tried to. Little did I know I'd be in a position to sell my skills at absurd prices. Last week I reviewed an engineering package done by the 3rd largest engineering firm in the USA. It's a $300,000,000 power facility at the Bronx. I hid in the PhD study area, fairly empty for the summer, and went over it with a fine tooth comb. Not one of the high powered folks had noticed that the HVAC, plumbing, structural and foundation portions were on different backgrounds. How would you explain having the 345,000 volt feeder coming up in the woman's restroom? Technology, for those lacking the BASIC skills, has created a population of folks who can cut and paste totally stupid things at a rate never dreamed of. Smart . . good old fashioned SMART will always hold one in good stead. I like my son's quote "your mind is like a magician's hat, you can't pull anything out of it you haven't put in" When I started with the firm I am now with the guy sitting next to me in orientation was 71 years old. I'm having more fun than I ever dreamed I would, am my own boss and charing them out the gazoo . . . I intend to "work" for as long as I can . . I spent a long time learning this stuff. My greatest ally is teachers who don't know there is a difference between area and volume. A bit of a sore spot with me . . . when I graduated from Topeka High School there were like two folks in our 700+ class who failed to graduate. I always expected to HAVE to learn. Old fashioned . . . I think I am. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Which is why "we the people" need to vote and be somewhat involved in local politics. Ron Paul will help some. | ||
| Dbird29 |
"Technology, for those lacking the BASIC skills, has created a population of folks who can cut and paste totally stupid things at a rate never dreamed of. " See? That is a true statement! (I read Badweb everyday and cut n paste with the best of 'em)  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Which is why "we the people" need to vote and be somewhat involved in local politics. I don't agree. We the EDUCATED AND INFORMED people need to vote and be involved in local politics. Little Johnny Retard who has no clue as to what is going on has the ability to cancel out your vote or my vote just by showing up. I really don't want anyone educated by the latest crop of NEA buffoons involved in the voting process thank you very much. | ||
| Coal400 |
Did you hear the one about the ACLU trying to bust the border patrol for racial profiling?  Maybe its me, but I find that freakin hilarious! | ||
| Greenlantern |
Did you hear the one about the ACLU trying to bust the border patrol for racial profiling? Maybe its me, but I find that freakin hilarious! I don't!!! There's a lot of Canadians who can sneak in while they are wasting their time profiling!!!!  | ||
| Rotzaruck |
"I don't agree. We the EDUCATED AND INFORMED people need to vote and be involved in local politics." That's what I'm fussing about. Who's informing and educating Little Johnny, and how much damage will he do, until he wakes up and can look past his friends and teachers and educate and inform himself. Little Johnny's not necessarily stupid, he's just ignorant because of the information he's been given. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Until a voucher system is devised to allow people a choice in how to educate their children, we are screwed. You have to ask why the NEA is so resistant to a voucher system. It isn't like there won't be teachers needed at private and religious schools. It's that it lessens their power to negotiate collectively. It's that it flips the rock that the rotten, worthless tenured teachers hide under. It's that it would cancel out the liberal/environmental/social drivel that they force down our children's throats. Being active at the local level isn't enough. It leaves you choosing between two or more bad choices rather than creating an optimal solution. We need to "bust the union". We need to bring competition back into the equation. Imagine how many private schools would spring up if the government gave students parents what they charge to "educate" them in public schools. Imagine how much competition there would be between schools if you could go to the one of your choice. We spend more per child than any other nation and yet we get less for it. Imagine if you were to receive $10,000 per child in voucher money. Let's say that you and 5 other families decided to go in together to home school. Let's say that you used these funds to hire a dedicated, full time educator. In most places, you could get a pretty damn good one for $50,000. If ten got together, you could get the absolute best teacher available. Imagine the competition for the best teacher. EDUCATORS WOULD FINALLY BE PAID WHAT THEY ARE WORTH! There is a better way to do what we are doing. Government and the NEA need to be out of the teacher business. | ||
| Alchemy |
"Imagine if you were to receive $10,000 per child in voucher money." That would be 2/3 the way to the cost of the private school my child goes to. Even at that they are in the red. Don't forget to add up all the other costs to stay compliant with regulations like nurses, insurance and some kind of health care for the staff and teachers. CHA-CHING. Home schooling can be done frugally but "real" schools get a bit pricey once they get beyond the small stage. Frankly, the problem is partly the schools struggles and partly the ability to parents to pull out of the school and do their own home schooling. As this has become popular this has happened. The result was to raise the expenses for the remaining parents. Which caused more folks to leave etc etc. The fracturing of the schooling "concept" has the unintended consequence of lowering the student bodies across all schools which cuts the funding and raises expenses born by the parents. It is a bit of a mess. Some newer schools do well for a time (as this school did for many years) but then as the facility ages they still have the original loans and then the facility maintenance costs go up. Suddenly there are problems and the tuition has to go up and that has consequences. We added a gardening building with a short gravel driveway 5 years back State law required the gravel road to the smallish one story building to be sufficient to support the largest firetrucks the township had. The gravel road to the building ended costing more than 60,000 when it should have cost about nothing. It would be nearly cheaper to simply let it burn to the ground if there is a fire. Opps, but insurance requires the fire company be happy. If we had they opportunity again and knowing what we know now we would strongly rethink that building. The sad thing is that it has been a great addition to the school and great for the kids just the expense had unintended cascading consequences. All of these problems are completely without the NEA. I don't think think the NEA is the problem, I think the problem is what "school" has become and largely what homelife has become and the loosening of the social fabric that once was supportive to schools and childhood. I wouldn't want to be a kid today. They get a poor excuse for childhood in my opinion even at a hefty price<grin>. | ||
| Marty12s |
this was shared with me not that long ago. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ | ||
| Marty12s |
certainly some nonsense, but some interesting thoughts as well. |
