| Author | Message | ||
     Jedipunk |
Being a tech myself I've been wondering if the majority of the fasteners on the 1125r are going to be metric or SAE? | ||
| Ratbuell |
As long as they've reduced the use of the strip-O-matic Torx crap...I hate those things. I've changed most of my S2 torx over to Allen. Still not ideal...but better. | ||
| Dbird29 |
I will not be buying such an abomination as a mixed fastener bike! Unless it has Chinese parts, then it will be OK. | ||
| Anonymous |
We tried hard to make this a 100% metric bike. However, due to the few overlap parts with XB, for example the passenger foot rest bolt, we were unable to reach our goal of 100%. However, the bike is nearly all metric. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
As long as they've reduced the use of the strip-O-matic Torx crap...I hate those things. I've changed most of my S2 torx over to Allen. Still not ideal...but better. x2 | ||
| Ducxl |
The trick to torx is using the highest quality tools available from either "WIHA" (German) or "Bondhus" (American). Everything else provides too much slop. | ||
| Jimidan |
This topic has already been debated ad nauseam in an earlier thread. I think I can sum it up for you though... If having a "mix and match" (read metric and SAE mix) bike is a problem for you, get out of biking and try a less "complicated" sport like canoing. I know, I know, whitewater canoing is not less complicated than biking (and anybody that has actually done it or kayaking knows it), but that was still the official word from on high (or an impostor).  | ||
| Metalstorm |
I know kayaks require a lot less maintenance. Yet oddly the kayak offers the same Zen feeling as the bike (especially when paddling amidst an entourage of seals). It's the same zen, just at a much slower velocity. I don't see the drama of having metric & sae fasteners on one bike. I'd rather acquire the tools for the bike I want rather than buy a bike that works with the tools I have.  But that's just me. Some things bother some folks more than others and I respect that. | ||
| Jedipunk |
thanks for the quick answer anonymous | ||
| Ratbuell |
Believe me - after years with an M2, S1W, S2, Plymouth Satellite station wagon drag car, and a slew of 2.2 turbo Dodges...a fastener or two isn't going to make or break a purchase for me. The only thing better than more bikes and cars in the garage? An excuse to buy more tools! LOL! Glad to hear an effort was made and focus was on the fastener set. Just goes to reinforce the "rider down" slogan - very nice. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
The trick to torx is using the highest quality tools available from either "WIHA" (German) or "Bondhus" (American). Everything else provides too much slop. 90% of people (and shops) don't have these highest quality Torx tools, so why not just use fasteners that everybody has acceptable tools for. Still, these torx fasteners are just a minor annoyance, and would deffinately not affect my liking of the bike. | ||
| Gregtonn |
"the strip-O-matic Torx crap..." Never stripped one in 20 years. Stripped a few allen heads. Operator error? There is a saying in the computer industry called PEBAKS. "Problem exists between keyboard and seat." It looks like you will have your choice of Torx or standard on most fasteners. | ||
| Jimidan |
Metalstorm: I know kayaks require a lot less maintenance. Yet oddly the kayak offers the same Zen feeling as the bike (especially when paddling amidst an entourage of seals). It's the same zen, just at a much slower velocity. I don't see the drama of having metric & sae fasteners on one bike. I'd rather acquire the tools for the bike I want rather than buy a bike that works with the tools I have. I wasn't really talking about flat water (sea) kayaking, but rather white water variety. There really is very little in common between the two. White water kayaking is more akin to sportbiking than it is to flat water. They both require the rider to be part of the machine, and to be able to control their emotions. The riders must be able to pick out their lines instantly, and make corrections mid-course, while maintaining their cool when chaos is all around them. They both have dire consequences if they make a mistake that can end in death, or worse. The list goes on...but the point is that it is not a 'less complicated' sport, as was suggested. There isn't really any "drama" with having mix and match fasteners on one bike, and that was never my point. I have all the tools to work on both kinds of fasteners in my garage, as I have several kinds of bikes and cars...but that wasn't the point. If you travel on your bike like I do, carrying tools is not a luxury but a necessity. Having to carry duplicate SAE and Metric tools in your tool bag where space is limited can mean that you aren't able to carry that one tool you would need to keep you from being stranded. That is when the drama part comes into play. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Is that water Metric or SAE? Was it made in China by Communists? | ||
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| Crusty |
I think it was outsourced. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Jimidan, I get what you're saying. I guess I'm more of a risk taker because I carry minimal tools on me. I carry less tools on my XB then on any other bike I've ever owned in the past. All I got is what came with the bike. With one exception involving my Ex Sporty (basicly stranded for four hours) I've been very lucky. Fortunately a lot of metric tools seem to fit sae fasteners decently enough to get out of most sticky (emergency) situations. So I'm thinking it's still possible to keep tool supply at a minimum. It's just a thought and I could very well be wrong Still, your point is valid. Oh, I've never tackled white water. I think I'll stick to motorcycles, it's safer  | ||
| Mtg |
Thank you Buell for aiming to have 100% metric fasteners. That's one of the small gripes I have on my XB- some metric, some English. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Metalstorm - "I carry less tools on my XB then on any other bike I've ever owned in the past. All I got is what came with the bike. " I'll second that. Rode my '03 - 9R for 3 years with the stock tool kit. My Shovelhead has a fork bag with 10 lbs of road tools... 1125R will be running with stock tool kit too. Z | ||
| Jpfive |
Hmmmm....remove passenger pegs, and voila...all metric...!? Jack | ||
| Zac4mac |
The only "trick" to using Torx drivers, is to use the right one. They have a slight taper and several sizes will "fit" but only one is the right one. Not sure of numbers, but a Torx will take MUCH more torque than an Allen before rounding. Hence the name Torx. Z | ||
| Bearly |
Annony, do you ever sleep? | ||
| Joey |
I have cheap tools. The only thing I ever stripped was the screws on the bottom of the carb. Others have stripped some of my fasteners ... |
