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Jaimec
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 03:56 pm: | 
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Almost anything with straight cut gears is gonna have some gear whine. The noise can be eliminated with helical cut gears, but performance bikes don't want the "hit" you take for running helical cut gears so they stick with the straight cut gears.
I remember reading an article regarding the design of the Harley Twin Cam engine and how they went to great lengths to eliminate gear whine even though it meant using less efficient mechanisms than straight cut gears. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 04:22 pm: |
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>>>Bottom line: I don't buy a bike BECAUSE it has a good rate, but I WILL pass on a bike because it doesn't.
Okay, I'd agree with that. I guess that sometimes I tend to check after, rather than before. And in some cases, I suppose that's due to these types of conversations where I have a feel for the rates before I even go to the dealer. |
Tommy_black_shark
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 04:38 pm: |
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I got a chance to ride the BMW GT and the Kawa C-14 at Sturgis last week. Because everyone else was chasing titties and beer I got to take extended rides on each and actually ride them pretty much back to back. They are both incredible machines! I'd love to have either one. If it was my money going down I'd take the Kawa in a second. Not because the BMW isn't terrific, but because the difference isn't that great to overcome the $6-7K price difference. The Kawa was a lot of fun to ride and the computer is very entertaining. However, they blew it a little by not finding enough computer power to make the turn signals self cancel.
On the subject of Honda gear driven cams: I had a ST1100 with D&D exhaust and between the cams and the cans it sounded great. For some the cam whine is just excess engine noise. For me it sounded like a front row seat at WSB when the RC-45's were running. |
Iamike
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 07:01 pm: |
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I've had an '05 ST1300 for 26 months and 25,000mi.
It is a heavy bike, 740# wet, but doesn't really feel heavy when riding. Since it is so smooth I don't get much tire feedback when cornering so it is a bit disconcerting wondering how the tires are holding.
Did I mention that it was smooth? There is so little buzz that the fingers don't get numb. The gear whine (actually it's the counterbalancers) make it sound like a sewing machine, so I call it my Super Singer.
I just completed a 4,200mi. trip where we did a 750 & 850 mile days back to back. Other than the pathetic seat it was great.
But, it doesn't have the soul of the Buell. It is very pleasant to ride but not fun. I can't wait to try an 1125r because if it doesn't cramp me I may have to trade the S3 for one.
I have heard good things about the C14 except for when it falls over. I guess that it can be very expensive even when dropped while parking it.
I do shop for insurance before I buy. I passed on a really nice Camaro Z28 due to the insurance being almost 3X my Impala's. At the Buell shop they had a Ducati that a guy ws going to buy until he checked on his insurance and found out it'd be $3,000/yr. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 08:51 am: |
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I tried a couple of beemers before I bought the Buell, The big GS, as Lake said is one of the best all rounders made, & the R1100S Boxer Cup, I tested was astounding, but I can't justify spending that much on a bike, when I can get 2 for the same money.
DD I'm still giggling, even if no-one else caught on. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 09:19 am: |
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I'll probably regret this; but who's Devine Brown? I did a quick search, and all I came up with is a belly dance costumer. |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 09:24 am: |
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Thanks for the opinions on the gear whine on the Honda V4's. I agree with the details on the smoothness, power, etc., etc. But the bottom line to me is Mike's comment that "it doesn't have the soul", that really sums it up.
It is sort of another topic, but when I was gunsmithing, I occasionally worked on and bought and sold Japanese-made shotguns and rifles. Those were all well made and many were sold under well known "high grade" brands like Weatherby, Browning, etc.
But the people that liked the Japanese made guns were generally younger and first time firearm owners that had little or no experience with the European made guns that had the same brand names to prominence and earned their reputations for quality.
Say what you want about a Browning Citori, I still consider the Belgium made (by FN) Browning Auto Fives to be the gun I would want to have in my gun case. It has soul and the Citori does not.
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Tommy_black_shark
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 12:46 pm: |
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I'll probably regret this; but who's Devine Brown? I did a quick search, and all I came up with is a belly dance costumer.
If I'm not mistaken that was the hooker that Hugh Grant was caught with. |
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