| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
How about lap times at RA? | ||
| M1combat |
I mean Barber  . | ||
| Blake |
And on what tires and what suspension? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
as mentioned by another Badwebber and confirmed by myself, the lap time on the video from the minisite was appx. 1:36 and some change. The record lap time on a motorcycle was by mat mladin at 1:25. I have no idea what a stock liter-bike might turn there. anony said that there were much faster lap times turned by the 1125r as well. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Bumpity  | ||
| Ratbuell |
I also recall hearing on one of the minisite vids "those tires really impressed me...amazing for street tires". Suspension in at least one of the photos has writing and test gear installed on the left fork, indicating at the very least a developmental version of stock. | ||
| Diablobrian |
An annony on another thread inferred that Jezza pulled faster lap times on the 1125r than on the gsxr1000. That is very encouraging to say the least. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
This may be a little premature, but if the 1125r is on par with (or dare I say BETTER than) the consensus best liter bike on the planet, Buell will be turning the motorcycle world on its ear. Schewing! | ||
| Blublak |
Tires are Pirelli Diablo Corsa III's. Great tire, I run them on my XB9R and have nothing but praise for them. I can see how Dave could talk about being impressed with them (the test rider mentioned above was Dave Estok) As far as lap times. If they have a 'race tune' already in the works and ran it there.. well.. there's no telling how good the bike could be on the track. Also, since the lap record was set on an AMA Superbike, well.. we all know how close those are to stock. Let's get some stock bike numbers out there, with comparable riders on them. I know I can't ride anywhere near as fast as the four guys shown on the mini-site. Heck, I'm probably slower then most of the people that design and build the bikes.. hehehehe.. But that's not gonna stop me from trying..  | ||
| Thepup |
"An annony on another thread inferred that Jezza pulled faster lap times on the 1125r than on the gsxr1000." That may be,but what were the circumstance?There are a lot of things that could have contributed to that and none have any thing to do with the bike. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Way to take a dump in the punch bowl, Pup.  The rider on the Buell MAY have had the burrito platter and been given an extra boost from the jet power. What if the GSXR had square wheels or was pulling a giant parachute? | ||
| Chadhargis |
Maybe the rider WANTED to go slower on the Gixxer?? Comparing a race replica bike with the 1125R is not an apples to apples deal. Now...let's see who can go faster on real roads, in real conditions, with "average" riders on board. My bet is on the Buell. | ||
| Anonymous |
The poop is back! Punch bowls beware! Troll poop! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Thepup |
Well,if your going to come in here and make the statement that the 1125R was faster around the track than a GSXR1000 you should give pertinent info.Sorry Anony,you have a problem with asking for this info? | ||
| Thepup |
Ft bstrd ,Chad see above post. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I want the information as well. If it didn't beat the GSXR, it matters not to me. If it did, that is really cool. What's irritating is the absolute insistence that if the 1125R did beat the GSXR, there must have been some compensating factor to make it possible. "That may be,but what were the circumstance?There are a lot of things that could have contributed to that and none have any thing to do with the bike." | ||
| Thepup |
Ft bstrd,it doesn't matter to me if the 1125 was faster than the GXSR or not,but Anony threw it out there to try to pump up the 1125,my question is why,if the 1125 is faster it will be proven in the coming months when the magazines do the comparo's.Anony,what was McWilliams best time on the 1125? (Message edited by thepup on July 20, 2007) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Obviously it does matter to you because you were so quick to dismiss it. According to you Anony is merely blowing unfounded smoke that would be rapidly disproven given the very first press outing? Why? What would be the benefit? Thus far we have a second hand reporting by Diablobrian of an INFERENCE from another thread regarding the lap times of the 1125R vs. the GSXR. Until Anony steps up, neither of us know ANYTHING for certain. The difference is that I am willing to believe that it could be possible and simply await the confirmation. You on the other hand fully disbelieve that it could be possible for a Buell to beat any other bike on the planet save a Vespa. That is the hallmark of a Buell hater and a troll, my friend.  | ||
| Eboos |
This is too funny.  | ||
| Thepup |
Ft bstrd,I am taking anything reported on Badweb with a grain of salt,sorry I am not going to take whatever is said on here as gospel.I love that the Buell-aid drinkers,such as yourself ,consider me a troll.I have had a Buell for about 3 times as long as you have,so for you to call me a Buell hater is hilarious.Once again,instead of letting the 1125 stand on it's own merits(which it seems to have many)we have things thrown out at us how a Buell is faster than every other bike and the Buell faithful eat it up.No I don't believe the 1125 could run faster laps than the GSXR 1000,given equal riding time and setup.Does that make it a bad bike,NOOOO. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Married people sometimes hate their wives. It doesn't mean they aren't married. We used to own an Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra. It was the worst POS to ever roll out of Detroit. I told everyone who would listen that it was. It didn't mean I wasn't an Oldsmobile owner. Trolls are individuals who take a corn filled dump in every single thread even when there is absolutely no reason to do so and then act all defensive and indignant when people dare to call them on it. In the future, a little more tactful response might have been better received. Try something like this: "I would find it hard to believe that a 1125R could beat a GSXR given same rider/same conditions. It would be cool if it did, though. Anony can you confirm these lap times?" A phrase like this provides evidence of your skepticism but prevents the ever so obvious assertion that there is virtually nothing Buell could do to create a viable, competitive, and enjoyable product in your long term owner (since 2004) experience. There is no Buell-aid at my place. There is a guy who really likes Buells (only a year), is generally optimistic, and hopes great things for Buell. If Buell does well, fantastic for everyone. I don't need to find a way to disprove every positive thing about Buell to feel good about myself. Sorry. I'm now out of Troll food. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I believe at Barber it could. I've done two track days there (with 2 more scheduled in September. YEAH!!). It's a fairly tight track that doesn't reward big top speed. Handling, braking, and being able to get on the gas early are paramount at Barber. The big Gixxer may not be as agile at the 1125 and it may be harder to ride on a track like Barber. Now, I'm not saying it's faster or slower....I've not ridden either bike. I honestly don't know, but I've read articles and reviews where on *some* tracks, the big literbikes simply aren't as fast as a lighter, more agile bike. Now...at Road America...I don't think the 1125 would have a snowballs chance in hell at keeping up with the Gixxer 1k. That LONG straight would make sure of that. I'll take handling over power ANY day. | ||
| Thepup |
Ft bstrd,I have been in every single 1125 thread?Sorry to disappoint you, I only have one thing bad to say about the 1125 and that is looks,of course looks are a subjective thing.By the way I have been on my Buell since 2003 and I actually like it,sorry if that disappoints. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
what makes you belive that the 1125r is not capable of running a better lap time than the gsxr1000? corect me if I am wrong but the only venue that the gsxr is the top dog of bikes is ama super bike. in fact if you go look at wsbk there is only one suzuki bike in the top 5 and only 3 in the top 10 and the other 2 are at the bottom of the top 10. not all of the motorcycle mags call the gsxr the best liter bike either. In fact the zx10r, the duc, and the r1 are usaully rated better than the gsxr1000. Also this is a bike that was built for the rider not for the stat sheet so just because all those jap IL4s are good compared to one onother dosent mean that this bike cant beat them in a test. Heck the new duc seems to be doing a great deal better than all of them proformance wise. | ||
| Thepup |
I don't know Firebolt,maybe HP and weight.Really,the Duc is doing better,you may want to check on that. (Message edited by thepup on July 21, 2007) | ||
| M2nc |
Here are some facts. Cycle World and another 14 magazines just finished there Master Bike 2007 Comparison. The MV Agusta F4 won. With 7hp less than the GSX-R1000 Average Lap Times at Circuito de Jerez GSX-R1000 - 1:54.240 with 162.8rwhp GSX-R750 - 1:54.406 with 35.4rwhp less than its bigger brother RSV1000R - 1:54.698 with 45.3rwhp less than the big Gixxer. Claims by Annons of the 1125R. 1. The 1125R weighs the same as the GSX-R750 (417lbs without fuel), but has 8-10rwhp more and gobs more torque. 2. The 1125R weighs 30lbs less that the Aprillia and has 20rwhp more. 3. The big Gixxer is porky in comparison to other super bikes these days and the 1125R falls in line with the lightest in the class. 4. Peak torque on the big Gixxer is almost at the 1125R's red line. The 1125R has 80% of peak torque from 4500rpm to Red Line. 5. The big Gixxer was slower than all the other Japanese liter bikes, the Ducati 1098S and the MV Agusta. Just the facts no bull! Time will tell how well the 1125R does on the track, but I am more interested on how it does on the street. The 1125R was developed for the street and not the track, so if the bike is more comfortable and easier to handle than any other super bike, but with comparable performance on the street, then it hit its target. (Message edited by M2nc on July 21, 2007) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
MCnc, nice analysis. Good to see some numbers to substantiate claims. Must have took some time to gather the figures. Thank you. I think it is safe to say that the 1125r will be a better street bike than any of the liter bikes and IF it can even hang close on the track--all I can say is BUELL YOU KICK A$$. | ||
| Buellerandy |
+2 M2nc I'm not at all prejudice when it comes to other bikes, I don't even really have any ambition to own an 1125R at the moment. I think the current 12r with a few mods is all the power I need for the street. But I think the 1125R is going to create a tsunami for the current and future motorcycle models out there. Its certainly not the highest horsepower, but I do believe for the amount of power it does possess(b-e-a utiful torque!), it will have the most "useability." Critics, start your engines! | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Jeremy for trying. I think that most thoughtful folks would agree that humble expressions of ignorance (not knowing/undertanding stuff) can actually lend positively to a thoughtful discussion; they present an opportunity for learning and sharing of knowledge/information amongst all participants where often times the ignorance bravely admitted/expressed by one is silently shared by others. Don't ask me how I know this.  But when ignorance is joined by arrogance and/or indignation, then what could have been positive, turns terribly negative. What should be thoughtful expression of unknowing and of a desire to learn turns instead to rudeness and insult. Folks with a strong sense of self-esteem have no trouble admitting ignorance, they thus learn more and are less ignorant and folks appreciate them most. Arrogant and indignant folks suffer from low self-esteem, imagining that they must appear expert in all things or else be seen as unworthy of respect. The irony is that the truth is opposite that illusion. It's interesting sometimes to count the number of times the indignant types refer to "I", "I", "I", "me", "me", "me"... Great post Carlos! Thank you for taking time to share that most pertinent information. It illustrates perfectly the issue of OEM sport bike performance versus that of highly modified racing machines. I'd add that last year, or maybe it was 2005, the Ducati 999 achieved the best lap time of all literbikes at Masterbike; it too was down significantly in peak HP compared to the Japan Inc peak HP title holders. Chassis and manner of power delivery matter, a LOT. Lonnie, if someone were in my house behaving towards others as you consistently do here, I'd have asked them to leave a long time ago. Arrogant insults, naysaying and belittling contributions are divisive, rude and offputting. Final warning; please cease the insults. A private warning was tried, apparently that had no effect. |
