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45_degrees
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 09:28 am: | 
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Trojan... who exactly do you mean by "you guys"? It seems everyone in this thread or damn near everyone doesn't care about where it's made. I think most know about the other parts out-sourcing too. I can't see anywhere in Hawkes question that infers more than curiosity to other's opinion, which have been pretty much... we don't really care. What's important is it's a Buell "designed" engine. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:01 am: |
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Sorry, the comment 'you guys' wasn't meant to refer to anyone in particular or to be derogatory.
It was meant as a general term because this is not the first thread on this same subject and there have been people who have stated that they would not buy it because it didn't have an American engine.
The fact that the subject was even raised means that people think it is an issue doesn't it? |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:24 am: |
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>>>>The fact that the subject was even raised means that people think it is an issue doesn't it?
Not necessarily. We're the internet . . . we'll argue about whether or not we should argue.
No one cares about where the motor is made. It's idle chatter and I'd suggest that there are 84X as many folks who want to know WHEN CAN I GET ONE.
Just my thoughts . . . |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:25 am: |
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The only reason I asked is mostly becuase I'm interested in the business aspect of Buell motorcycles. After Ma1 explanation-an avenue I hadn't really thought of, my point is moot, as I was wondering if Buell had fulfilled a contractual obligation which was signed in order to help get his dream started and thus knew it was on a clock. It'd be pretty neat wouldn't it?
Yes I would think it would be cool if the motors came from HD or Ford, but really don't care if they come from Cosworth, Toyota, or Rotax. I still can't buy one for 5 or six years and maybe not even then |
45_degrees
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:00 am: |
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Ok I understand where you're coming from Trojan. Anyone saying they won't buy it because it doesn't have an American engine need only to understand that it is indeed an American engine.
I can see myself owning one of these. Just wish I didn't have to sell something to get one. It sure is nice. |
Sarodude
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 12:39 pm: |
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quote:We're the internet . . . we'll argue about whether or not we should argue.
No we won't, you motorcycle riding, construction working, cat greasing, dog painting, uh, PERSON....
-Saro |
Ma1
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 01:04 pm: |
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What many don't seem to understand is that Buell is a Subsidiary of HDI. IE Buell IS HD. Buell is to HD as Pontiac is to GM. Everything Buell does is approved/funded by HDI. Those thinking Buell is running from/abandoned by HDI are ignorant of the buisness.
Buell is a tactical flank entry into the international sportbike market by HDI. Get used to it. IF this bike is successful, you're going to be seeing a lot more . . . |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 01:54 pm: |
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Does anyone for a second think that HDI or HD Dealership owners wouldn't LOVE to have those who are buying Hondas across the street buying Buells instead?
Chaps and vests are one thing, but money is money. You can bet your butt HDI would love to ride Buell all the way to the bank. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 02:13 am: |
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I think Buell did right by it. The powerplant should be devoid of the major teething troubles others have had in designing new in-house motors for the first time. It made the whole thing feasible, didn't it?. There's a few really cool ideas in there that have never been used together.
As an aside, just the fact that more people will hear and know about Buell in the sportbike community because of the XBRR is a plus. I'm tired of answering silly questions and of being ridiculed by the uninitiated (ok, so that may never stop). |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 11:23 am: |
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I was hoping that HD would have stepped up to the plate and provided the [new] engine, but in retrospect, hey - even they went with outside help on the VROD.
It's very cool the large hand that Buell had in spec'ing out this new engine. I'd really only have a problem with it at this point if it had been an off-the-shelf (pre-existing / same as someone else's) plug in. |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 06:41 pm: |
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Just a small correction here. Aprilia has made no official announcement about dropping the Rotax V60 motor from the future RSVR and Tuono bikes. The 2007 bikes continue to use the Rotax motor. My WAG is they will continue to use the V60 for several more years, as long as sales are good. Probably the same strategy will be used by Buell with their air-cooled motors. The other motors that Aprilia has developed in-house aren't really direct replacements for the 990cc V-twin, a 1000cc V4 for world superbike and the Shiver 90 degree V-twin family (750cc, 850cc, and rumored 1200cc). |
Buellboiler
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 10:09 pm: |
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VROD - Rotax
Just how similar are the current comments & gripes to the stuff that aired when H-D introduced the V-Rod and the Porsche engine?
Boiler |
Gregtonn
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 12:02 am: |
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Diablo1,
Just a small correction here. Aprilia has made no official announcement about dropping the Rotax V60 motor from the future RSVR and Tuono bikes. The 2007 bikes continue to use the Rotax motor. My WAG is they will continue to use the V60 for several more years, as long as sales are good. Probably the same strategy will be used by Buell with their air-cooled motors. The other motors that Aprilia has developed in-house aren't really direct replacements for the 990cc V-twin, a 1000cc V4 for world superbike and the Shiver 90 degree V-twin family (750cc, 850cc, and rumored 1200cc).}
And your point is??? |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 07:40 am: |
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My point was that someone else posted that Aprilia dropped Rotax, freeing up time on the assembly lines for Buell. Simply not true. Also the V60 Rotax engine will be produced in even greater numbers for the CanAm Spyder three wheeler. The V60 will live on for many years to come.
(Message edited by Diablo1 on July 21, 2007) |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 12:10 pm: |
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I believe I was the one who asserted that Aprilia and Rotax were moving apart from one another.
I can't find the article I read where it was discussed.
They may be hanging onto the Rotax for a while, but all the articles I have read discuss the developments of the new in-house V90 engine currently used in the Sliver. A Hypermotard with a larger displacement version of that engine is on it's way. Rumor is that Aprilia might be replacing the V60 in the Tuono with a 1000cc version of the V90 engine in the Sliver. Aprilia is also developing a 65 degree V4 in house. They plan to use it in the Mille.
All of it is conjecture, but it appears that Aprilia plans to expand usage of the new V90 engine design. With the new V4 engine, there is less and less shelf space for the V60 from Rotax. |
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