| Author | Message | ||
     Jamie |
Hi there folks. This is my first "official" post about MY bike  . I've just purchased an '05 XB9SX. I haven't physically seen it yet...it's being shipped to me next week. Word is that it has the Jardine Titanium RT 1 on it. Are there any notable differences between the aluminum and titanium version...be it physical/performance/durability or otherwise? It seems that the titanium versions goes for about $100 more. I've read that the Jardine's need to be re-packed every 4-5K miles. Maybe the titanium version isn't as maintenance intensive??? Also, since we're talking about the exhaust...is it OK to have this exhaust without the race ECM and filter? This is the bike's current set-up. | ||
| Cereal |
Yes. No. Maybe. Titanium is stronger than aluminum, so you should not have as much of an issue with the rivet holes widening and the pipe shaking itself apart. This tends to only be an issue if you wait to long to repack it. The internals of the titanium pipe are the same as the aluminum, so you will should have to pack it at the same interval. There may be a heat dissipation differential between aluminum and titanium, but probably not enough of a difference to change the rate in which the packing material deteriorates. The bike may run lean with that set up of stock intake, stock ecm, and free flowing pipe. You may not feel the problem when riding, but it causes excessive heat that can cause damage in the long run. I would suggest getting the race ecm or having your stock one remapped. A lot of people are sticking with the paper filter because they don't trust K&N. I'm certainly not the authority in all of this, so someone correct me if I missed anything. | ||
| Jamie |
Thanks for the reply Cereal. Is there any way to easily determine if the bike is running lean? Like checking the plugs or something...I wanna say that the plugs would be white...though I'm no mechanic. When I asked the seller (and of course I wouldn't expect any other answer), he said that the dealer had just finished the 5K service and that they said the bike was in perfect running condition. And providing that the plugs are an indication, they even said that the plugs didn't "have" to be changed but were changed because it's part of the service. From that exhaust shoot out on American Sport Bike, it seems that the Buell race ecm is a pretty good fit for the Jardine. Hopefully, I can pick up a used one for a little less $$. About how much does packing material cost?...considering the fact that my bike has about 5400 miles on it, I'm guessing it'll be due for repacking. | ||
| Bombardier |
Cereal. What is not to trust about K&N? | ||
| Aoverto |
Jamie- I have an XB12s with a Carbon Fiber Jardine and I love the pipe.....I paid quite a bit for it and was not sure what made me do it but when I got it....it looked awesome!!! but one thing is for sure it dissipates heat FAST...after riding at any given point I can literally grab the pipe with my palm and hold it without it burning me at all.....it's warm no doubt...but just warm...I found that pretty amazing....- Secondly- After I bought the pipe I ran with the stock ecm for about 500 or so miles and it ran ok but there were "dips" in the throttle which I figure were weak spots between the pipe and stock ecm...I got the race ecm installed and setup and those weak spots are no more.... Finally- I'm very happy with my pipe....it sounds great and I think the Carbon Fiber really looks AWESOME on it.....The ecm was a sweet deal too...got it cheap ($160) from a guy who decided to go with a re-map...I got lucky! I also stuck with the stock filter..my dad works for fram and he said the K&N helps a little with performance but lets all that dirt in to your engine that the harley filter doesn't....so short term k&n sounds good..long term your engine gets tons of gunk in it.... | ||
| Jamie |
Another thing I noticed (via picture) was that the Jardine sticker on one side has burned up. Is this an indication of the muffler innards deteriorating? Any suggestions about the best way to get the roasted sticker off? | ||
| Cereal |
Bombardier, What Aoverto said. I'm running K&N on both of mine right now. They should be okay as long as you keep them oiled. I'm not sure if the baked sticker has anything to do with the deteriorating innards. I pealed mine off after about a month, but only because I didn't like it. I have the aluminum one and it is never too hot to touch either. I am pleased with the performance but think the Jardine is too damn loud. I've got to wear earplugs when I ride or my ears are ringing afterward. Jamie, the repacking kit cost about $25. I don't remember who it was, but do a badweb search for 'Jardine repack' and you should find a thread where a guy bought some generic stuff for something like $5 and repacked it with that. | ||
| Jamie |
Interesting tid bit here... American Sport Bike describes the aluminum version as: 9080 - Jardine XB9/XB12 Slip-on Muffler, Polished Aluminum 03-07 XB9/XB12 Jardine Slip-on muffler. Polished Aluminum. Very nice looking pipe. Good power throughout, top end emphasis. Will require occasional repacking. Then they describe the titanium version as: 9082 - Jardine XB9/XB12 Slip-on Muffler, Titanium 03-07 XB9/XB12 Jardine Slip-on muffler. Satin Titanium. Very nice looking pipe. Good power throughout, top end emphasis. ...no reference to repacking the Ti version...hmmm. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I'm sure that the lack of mention was just an oversight on Al's part. All of the Jardines require re-packing. | ||
| Cereal |
Jamie, if you are worried about repacking, get a different pipe. Jardines require maintenance, they are loud as hell, and you can no longer use the muffler as a jack point. All three of their models (aluminum, titanium, and carbon fiber) are made of the exact same internal parts, therefor they all require repacking. It is basically a straight pipe with holes in it, wrapped in sound deadening material, and then encased in which ever of the three materials you choose. If I had to do it all over again, I would have gotten a drummer. | ||
| Jamie |
Cereal, The pipe is already on the bike. Just trying to do my homework and be prepared for it's arrival (should be here in about a week). I don't mind that there will be required maintenance...so long as I am happy with its performance and sound. I guess it was just wishful thinking referring to the American Sport Bike descriptions...like maybe since Ti is stronger than aluminum, then regardless of the fact the the packing will inevitably blow out...the pipe might be strong enough to run without it. | ||
| Xb12randy |
Dude your making more of this than you should. Re-packing an exhaust pipe takes like 10 minutes tops. It's not hard nor expensive. The worst part will be drilling the rivets the first time if it's never been done. You will need to re-pack or it will eat itself up in time with no packing. Any MX shop will sell FMF packing or similar for 12 to 15 dollars for a bag more than big enough to re-pack the silencer. Not trying to be short but re-packing is simple and a way of life with modern canister mufflers. You obviously have never owned a dirt bike. A nasty re-pack job is having to do an old 2 stroke that was neglected. Talk about a mess LOL | ||
| Nasty73z |
The difference in titanium and aluminum for teh can has nothing to do with how often you have to repack them. Both will experience packing blow out. I have had both on a previous bike (also a v-twin engine which is harder on these types of mufflers) and both needed to be repacked at intervals. | ||
| Cgocifer |
All straight-through type mufflers need to be repacked. The main deal with the aluminum Jardine is that if you don't repack it, the resonance will eventually cause the aluminum to fail around the rivets and blow the rear of the muffler completely off. Titanium is much stronger than aluminum and won't have such a catostrophic result, but for performance and longevity, it will still need to be repacked. Yes, you can buy fiberglass repacking material at most motorcycle shops for about 10 bucks. You can also buy stainless steel packing material from StainTune. More expensive, but lasts about 100 times longer. Dan | ||
| Jamie |
Thanks for the comment Dan...you hit my point on the head...well the point that I was skirting around anyways. Didn't mean to drag this thread on or appear that I was making a big deal of the required maintenance...as you know, I used to be an aircraft mechanic... I've drilled out countless rivets. I intend to use the stainless material you mentioned...seems to be the smart thing to do. | ||
| Cgocifer |
Yep, I'm repacking mine this winter with the stainless packing material. Post pics when you get your bike! | ||
| Cereal |
This is interesting: http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/borla_exhaust_h i_pro_systems/photo_04.html It says that they sometimes use a layer of stainless then a layer of fiberglass. So the stainless shields the fiberglass and still offers good sound deadening. Has anyone tried that with their Jardine? | ||
| Captain_nartman |
Take the Sticker OFF ASAP. It'll be a Bitch to Clean the Burnt on Glue/Gunk by the Time it Looks Ugly and ya HAVE to Remove it. Just me 2c N x | ||
| Diablobrian |
I may try that next time Cereal. It won't be until winter at the earliest though. | ||
| Jamie |
Captain nartman...sounds like you've got burned sticker removal experience. It's already roasted on there from the looks of the pics I was emailed. Anyone have any advice on removing the "burnt on glue/gunk"? I'm sure that's one of the first things I'll want to take care of once it gets here. | ||
| Xb12randy |
Cereal that sounds like a good idea but it would be a bitch to try wrapping both materials inside the small can. Worth a shot though if it will last longer and potentially be quieter without causing any more restriction. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Sticker removal is another of my winter projects. I wrapped my header last winter and my stickers promptly burned up. Oh well, not that big of a deal, I have a bench buffer that I'm sure will make short work of polishing it out. |
