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Chadleys1
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FIRST!!!!!
Well it was bound to happen sooner or later.
Time to buy a micrometer, boys, these are shim type.
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Xbullet
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it ain't rocket science. if they think the boys at our local harley dealer can do it, i can do it.

and so can you. : )
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Cgocifer
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm sure if you don't learn to do it yourself, it will cost some big bucks at a 80 dollar an hour HD shop!
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Ryker77
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can you get to the valves to adjust them without major engine removal...?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They speak to the valve adjustments on the website. The cams use "finger-type" followers (which are evidently the current hot arrangement in Formula 1) and they claim this makes it easier to swap out the shims. Most of the Japanese bikes I'm aware of use the "shim under bucket" arrangement which require removal of the camshafts to change the shims. I'd say Buell obviously payed attention to the "do my own maintenance" owners.
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Spatten1
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not really a big deal to do valves. The shims should be labled so you can identify the thickness without measuring them. We'll know soon enough if they wear from the followers or not and need to be measured. The shim under buckets do not wear because the cam or follower only touch the bucket, not the shim.

My 1987 Suzuki had finger type followers, but they had tappet adjusters.

Either way, no need to be intimidated, it won't be that big of a deal. Besides, if you want to haul ass you don't have a choice.
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Ducxl
Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2007 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bunch of sissies..I've been checking my 8 valve 996 Ducati for the last 6 years.With only two minor adjustments.And i have opening AND closing adjustments! Anything to knock the new machine down...Biggest investment was the $350 for a shim kit. As a machinist i already own several sets of micrometers and dial indicators/degree wheel etc.

BTW,The dealers charge about $400 average to do it.The price of admission
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Chadleys1
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ducxl
I don't think anyone is trying to knock the new machine down.
I for one am ecstatic about it.
Valve adjustments are no big deal, most every home mechanic in the world has been doing them for years. Well, I guess that depends on what they work on.
Truthfully, I kind of like checking/adjusting the valves on a motorbike. It leaves you with a feeling of being in tune with the bike, like after an oils change and primary chain adjust, but better.
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Warp2
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If they are like the valves in my Aprilia they will MIGHT need to be adjusted after 50,000k miles.
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Spatten1
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 03:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It leaves you with a feeling of being in tune with the bike, like after an oils change and primary chain adjust, but better.

No more primary chain, YEAH!
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Ryker77
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Will the Frame prevent you from reaching the heads to do the adjustments. Without having little tripple jointed hands.

Most don't have an issue with valve adjustments. But only if you can actaully do them.
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Jmemmert
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We've been spoiled. Back to reality now, but valves are easy..
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Teeps
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Spatten1

Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007

No more primary chain, YEAH!


True; but there are 2 cam chains.

"Shimmed" a valve adjustment, should not be a problem for the DYI'er until you can't get the shim you need. Just remember, noisy valves are generally happy valves.
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Mbsween
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 09:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The last time I needed to do anything to the cam chain on my 83 KZ750 was at 100K miles. I'll trade a primary (as I replace the crank side seal for the second time in 40K ) for a cam chain any day.

Also these are shim under bucket, so I gotta believe they'll be fairly easy to shim, the tough part will be getting to them.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Ryker77. Valves are easy to do. It's the getting to them part that can be a real bear. I hope reasonable access to the valves figured into their design.
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Ebear
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like you said WARP2.........If their like my TUONO.....Almost NEVER need adjusting!!!!...WoooHooo!!!
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, July 09, 2007 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The top of the frame is open now. The adjustment should be easy to get to.
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X1tx
Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Personally, I like the low maintenance of the hydro valves. The less to twiddle with, the more time to ride. Now if they'd just add the 6 speed to the Uly.........
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Spatten1
Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Personally, I like the low maintenance of the hydro valves. The less to twiddle with, the more time to ride.

Nothing wrong with that. However, you will not get a 150hp bike that spins to 10,000rpm.

Enjoy your lump. It is fun too, just not powerful.
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Chadleys1
Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Enjoy your lump. It is fun too, just not powerful.-Spatten1

To prevent any uprisings, Spatten1, we are all going to pretend that you said-
... just not AS powerful.
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Mario870
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 03:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI, bike was designed to have valve shims checked every 12,400 miles, and takes 30 minutes due to some thoughtful design of the heads. Also, bike has only 1 cam chain, not 2. Intake is driven by chain, exhaust by gear off the intake cam. Awesome machine.
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Curtyd
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 07:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"and takes 30 minutes due to some thoughtful design of the heads."

WOW, only two hours in my DIY time (or HD book rates), time for some more tools!
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Buellistic
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"i" can still remember how to adjust the
valves on my 1953 Chevy ...

OH !!!, did have a 1949 WL ...

In BUELLing
LaFayette
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Adrian_8
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Rotax V-twin on my Aprilia Tuono has not been adjusted in 13K...dealer says no need yet...One sweet motor has killer sound with the Ti-can. This Rotax V-twin in the Buell is going to be Bad-ass..yeah, you can buy more HP but you will never need it unless your name is Hayden or Rossi.
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Teeps
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 08:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mario870
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Also, bike has only 1 cam chain, not 2. Intake is driven by chain, exhaust by gear off the intake cam. Awesome machine.


Look again Mario, 2 cylinders, 4 cams, 2 cam chains.
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