| Author | Message | ||
     Dongalonga |
I understand how they photoshopped off of a XBRR but i think they got the basic idea down. | ||
| Jaimec |
I think that "pipe" in the Firebolt illustration is the oil cooler, isn't it? | ||
| Dongalonga |
yup i think you are right....weird they drew it differently for the bolt....figured it was something simple....damn | ||
| Reepicheep |
Anony did not dispute the fact that I saw bunches of Grey Aliens get on the bus at Wright Patt and head to East Troy either.... So clearly, thats proof that Buell has licensed the alien technology from the Roswell crash site (that has been used in the B2 bomber for a couple decades now) for a new nuclear motor. I wish all these supposedly talented men and women at Buell would stop relying on 50 year old technology and build something new! Geesh! (  ) | ||
| Trojan |
Why would you want to style a brand new road bike to resemble a race bike that most of the world (your potential customers remember) judge as a failure? This new bike nees to appeal to the mass market, so Please give us some radical & fresh new styling and not a re-heated XBRR body kit...please!! | ||
| Reepicheep |
The more interesting illustration is for the "underseat cooling" patent. As I read it, it would cover my air cooled XB, but would *also* cover a forced air water cooling system wedged down there. I don't know if the physics would work, but the patent seems to accommodate it. | ||
| Court |
>>>>we wait longer for parts!!! If you are from Buell, send me a note, I can fix that ASAP. Anyone here read FUELL? It's a magazine that Buell sends out. | ||
| Mramsey |
Here is the way I see things (my turn to fantasize). The spring 2007 Fuell Magazine shows a bunch of XBRR derived parts for your standard XB. Adjustable swingarm for chain, Slipper clutch, 8-piston front caliper. If they have been working on these why couldn't they have been working on an RR derived engine for the standard XB. When I go to the Hillbillymotors web site http://www.hillbillymotors.de/html/xbrr_engine.htm l and look at the XBRR engine I can't help but think it will be in the street bike someday. Just look at these pictures and think about the engineering and money spent on R&D. Why would they build this? Would there really be that much profit in selling XBRR's to justify this engine? I don't know but it seems to me this technology would have to trickle down to the street bike just like these other parts are doing. I may be talking out of my a$$ because I really don't know much about motorcycles, but it looks to me as if this engine would bolt right in to my Ulysses frame. To me this makes way more sense than a Rotax engine. | ||
| Spike |
I could be wrong, but I *think* Harley already has the patent on that from the Nova project. | ||
| L_je |
The RR engine runs at nearly 13:1 compression. I think this is just way too high for an air-cooled engine on the street. The XB frame has a hard enough time supporting cooling flow to a rear cylinder operating at a 10:1 compression ratio, so I think 13:1 is just too tough to ensure a robust street design. I'm not knocking the XB design, far from it. I love my XB. The first time I test rode one, it was love at first ride. Feeling that frame heat up, and listening to that fan kick in, THAT was absolutely endearing, to me, anyway. And before all of you move to have me committed, I would like to remind you that with the decay of our state mental hospitals, and the imminent closure of Gitmo, I'll be back on the streets in no time, and jones'in for free test rides on XBs and hoarding all of those free courier bags! | ||
| Diablobrian |
one thing I noticed on the rr was a distinct lack of sand cast casings. Die cast parts (like those used for high volume production) are much more expensive to produce. for short runs sand casting usually makes more sense. So I do suspect we'll see more of the RR motor. Then again I wouldn't discount the idea of continued development of an air cooled sport- fighter and adventure line of motors based on the RR engine and a water cooled super- bike to fill both niches. Of course that is only my opinion and is based on pure conjecture. So take it for what it's worth... | ||
| Trojan |
The more interesting illustration is for the "underseat cooling" patent. Benelli have already done this with the Tornado. If they have been working on these why couldn't they have been working on an RR derived engine for the standard XB. It is an open secret that Buell want to go racing with the new bike at the highest level (I assume AMA Superbike or WSB?), If this is the case then even the XBRR will be sorely lacking in BHP and I cannot see any way they can make it up to the required 190-200bhp to be competitive and stay reliable with the air cooled engine. This means that the new bike ( or a limited edition variant of it at least) MUST be on a par with other WSB homologated twins to start with, which would require around 150-160bhp in road trim alone just to be level with other superbikes in their current 'road' form. It will also require some very advanced electronics such as traction control etc to be built in at the design stage, simply because future WSB rules will ban electronic rider aids that are not fitted to the road version of the WSB bike. racing at world level will require a much higher level of comittment and money than Buell have ever put up before. | ||
| Court |
>>>>The more interesting illustration is for the "underseat cooling" patent. Next time you see me . . . remind me to tell you the story of a young engineer who was broke, trying to broker a deal, needed cash and struck an interim deal with a large company to design a product from the ground up. The story includes an innovative placement of a radiator that took air from under the middle of the bike, ducted it up under the seat and over the coils of a hidden radiator. Years later, project completed, a young attorney with documents in hand would be leaning against something in a barn he thought was a race bike covered in hospital sheets . . . . But, gosh it's years ago and my memory is clouded . . . but I do smile everytime I see one of those bikes, designed from a blank sheet of paper (anyone remember paper?) in a barn. .. the bikes still in production and a top seller. | ||
| Firemanjim |
Would you go somewhere and finish your books so we can read about this stuff instead of trying to decipher your hints and edited for content comments.  And,yes, I am still stuck here at work with no access to my Buell library,you bum. | ||
| Trojan |
The story includes an innovative placement of a radiator that took air from under the middle of the bike, ducted it up under the seat and over the coils of a hidden radiator. I say again....designed by Keogh and implemeted by Benelli for at least 6 years. There is very little that is actually new in motorcycling. The wheel just gets re-invented every so often. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Court that sounds suspiciously like the Honda VFR/interceptor , pulling cooling air in through side mounted radiators. | ||
| Macbuell |
Trojan, it is quite possible that they are building an XBRR based bike to be released this year and a liquid cooled bike to compete in AMA and WSB Superbike as well. I have heard that they want to race at the top levels as well but I just find it hard to believe that they sunk all that money in the XBRR engine to just give up on it. Besides, with a production version of the XBRR then you would possible have a race platform for the FX series as well as Superbike. (Message edited by MACBuell on June 28, 2007) | ||
| Ridrx |
Didn't the Honda NR750 use something similar? BTW maybe we shouldn't be looking 'in okra' as much as 'at pork chops'. (Message edited by RidrX on June 28, 2007) | ||
| Jaimec |
An XBRR would be eaten alive in Superbike, don't kid yourself. World Superbike rules limit V-Twins to 1200cc. At 1300cc the XBRR is kinda/sorta competitive against modified 600cc fours. No WAY it'd be competitive against a factory modified 1000cc. You're looking at a COMPLETELY different engine design to be competitive in that field. | ||
| Anonymous |
I hear one, This Guy named Erik and his band will be playin a little Bar in south east Wisconsin next Thursday! | ||
| Lake_bueller |
You're looking at a COMPLETELY different engine design to be competitive in that field. Ding, ding, ding. Once more... Rotax built 1100cc (I think the actual number was 1134cc) V-twin Liquid cooled Around 150hp at the crank 10k redline Buell is swinging for the fences with this new motor. Look for some competitive racing in 2008! | ||
| Ridrx |
I would LOVE to hear that...while I enjoy a pair of pork chops! (Message edited by RidrX on June 28, 2007) | ||
| Freezerburn |
Didn't someone post in the past about something with a 72 degree liquid twin and get in trouble for it? I can't quite remember. | ||
| Spike |
If those are real numbers and Buell really did swing for the fences, they just landed somewhere in the outfield right behind Ducati's 1098. The 1098 is currently putting nearly 150hp to the rear wheel with just under 1100cc. Worse yet, Ducati is rumored to be releasing a 1200cc version in the next year or two. | ||
| Paintballtommy |
WRONG WRONG WRONG i believe within the pork tenderloin lies the answer. | ||
| Ducxl |
An aircooled XBRR would be fine by me.Shoot for the stars though.WSBK BABY! | ||
| Macbuell |
Spike, there will be a limited release of an 1200 cc Ducati. That is going to be their platform for WSB when the rules change to allow 1200 cc V-Twins next summer. | ||
| Davegess |
Going back and looking at what was said at the winter dealer meeting Buell will be unveiling a dirt bike first not a hyper sport bike. I am thinking we won't be seeing a competitive superbike next week, just one half of the motor needed to build one. hope you all are not too disappointed. | ||
| Paintballtommy |
as long as theres fried okra and pork tenderloin ill be okay. but seriously i have a feeling we might be getting our hopes up a bit too much. | ||
| Aatch |
what? you can't be serious. dirt-bike, schmirt-bike, gimme a badass superbike air or watercooled, that can compete with the rest and the best of 'em. just my 2 cents, of course, but dirt bikes just won't do it for me... |
