| Author | Message | ||
     4cammer |
130hp Buell. Hmmmmm.... I am new here, but I seem to remember not too long ago Triumph (the new Triumph) tried to go head to head w/the Japanese and got eaten alive. Now they have a triple 675 that is different enough not to get directly compared to the other 600's. I sure do hope that Buell does not try to take on the liter class bikes with a Japanese clone. 130 ponies sure would be fun, but when the heck could one use them? Really. | ||
| Bake |
Only 6 weeks of speculating left. | ||
| Kpg2713 |
4cammer, the 675 does not get eaten alive by 600 supersport japs. It handles like crazy and has just as much power. Its got 120 ponies while the cbr's and stuff may have 10 more. But, the 675 has torque on em. Something a few of us might be familiar with. Too bad we arent just lacking 10 horse... | ||
| Deltablue |
>>>I would be a little worried about the fuel in frame on a bike you expect to drop/crash. No worries. I'll second that, Beta, Montesa, Gas Gas, Sherco, and a number of other European Dirtbikes have been using the frame as a fuel cell now for over a decade. I have heard very little complaint about the dependability of these bikes from a fuel aspect. | ||
| Spatten1 |
The frame is much more stout than a plastic gas tank. Why would you be concerned? | ||
| Olinxb12r |
You're correct Spatten, but a plastic tank is a lot easier and less expensive to throw away and replace if it gets damaged. | ||
| Jaimec |
Actually, 130hp would be about 30hp down from what's coming out of Japan these days... :-( Like a lot of others, I've no interest in a dirt bike. I was just talking to a local multi-brand dealership and he was saying what a waste of time it was for him to carry pure offroad bikes. There is NO place to legally ride them on Long Island; you have to drive literally over a hundred miles to get someplace where you can legally ride one. Dual purpose bikes, he can sell. Motocross and Enduro? No way. He is finding now that even ATVs aren't selling the way they used to. | ||
| Court |
The concern expressed related to crashworthiness, not the cost to repair/replace. The Buell frank (frame tank) has been tested lightyears beyond the federally mandated standards and has far exceeded expectations. We've all see the photos of the violent crashes that XB's have sustained. I am unaware of a frank that has ever ruptured. I have seen many bike fires where the less substantial plastuminim tank ruptured. The purpose of the frank was not to "protect" the fuel, that was a side benefit. Court | ||
| Spatten1 |
If you •••• up the frame does it really matter if the gas is in it or not? You still need to replace or straighten the frame either way. Wouldn't your expense be the same? | ||
| Ridrx |
If you crash big enough to bend an XB frame, I would guess you're not going to have to worry about replacing stuff for a WHILE as YOUR frame will probably not fare as well as the Buell. | ||
| Court |
Hehehehehe . . . good point! I found my own "frame" was not resistant to puncture. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeouch! | ||
| Cgocifer |
I read an article in the AMA newsletter about Buell coming back with a vengence. A new bike has been spotted testing and is reportedly water cooled and is estimated to produce more than 130 hp. This came from the AMA, so... Just thought I'd add this to the rumor mill. Anyone else see that article? | ||
| 07xb12scg |
Where did you find this article. I am very skeptical. | ||
| Court |
>>>I read an article in the AMA newsletter about Buell coming back with a vengence. No one would have to write or say that to convince me. Buell will be one of the dominate marques in racing within 5 years. It's simple really. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
I hope you're right Court, but I must admitt I am pretty skeptical about that statement. I'll drink on the Buellaide as much as the next guy, but it's going to take a lot to compete with a kawondsuzaha. I hope that if that is the goal BMC comes up with a lot more than 130 hp since newer liter bikes are 180 hp. | ||
| Spatten1 |
It'll work if Buell can buy engines from an established manufacturer. The history of HD performance engines in the modern era is a bit uninspiring. I worked for a major motorcycle manufacturer, and I can tell you that you have to have a culture of performance and dedicate big resources to build a bullet proof performance engine. I just can't imagine HD having that ability/capacity/culture judging from anything the company has ever built. | ||
| Spatten1 |
A joint venture with Polaris would be exciting. Two American manufacturers pooling resources for a shared performance engine, then building brand specific chassis. Fantasizing again. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
Why would Buell create a totally new XB when they have just recently introduced their latest clone of the current XB line (XB12TT)? I would imagine that they would expect this bike to run at least three to four years before pulling it. Wouldn't their latest incarnations have evidence that new archetecture/engine is coming? | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
unfortunatly for us...big horsepower and inovation mean big price tags....priced a ducati lately....if buell releases a big horsepower competitor the price will go way up..personaly i dont want to pay 20 grand for a few extra horses and some water running through the heads...going to be hard for buell to come up with anything that competes with the big 5 or 6 that dosent cost an arm and a nut..july should be interesting to say the least. | ||
| Spatten1 |
unfortunatly for us...big horsepower and inovation mean big price tags....priced a ducati lately No, but I looked at a Triumph 675 yesterday at the dealer. $8,999 and top notch fit and finish. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I don't know that I would compare more horsepower in a Buell against a Ducati. That's kind of like saying that if you want a bigger engine in your Taurus look at the cost of a Ferrari. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Dude, that is funny! | ||
| Olinxb12r |
The Ducati price comment is pretty funny considering the price of a new 1098. You can get a brand new base model 1098, which is still a hell of a bike, for under 15K. The new litre bikes from Japan are quickly approaching 12K, so the 1098 is a steal for a Ducati. Snack I don't think the TT is really something that they spent any money on. There isn't anything on it other than the number plates that is not yardsaled from another bike. The 12, ULY and the SS are the only bikes that are actually something completely different since the original XBs back in 03. Lots of upgrades, and I commend Buell for that, but nothing that has been completely new except those 3. (Message edited by Olinxb12r on May 18, 2007) | ||
| Rocketman |
Buell will be one of the dominate marques in racing within 5 years. Would that be a bench race, horse race, or just an egg and spoon race? My bet is, you're referring to a popular form of domestic racing, which is rather like playing tiddly winks with infant kids, and you always winning. Roll on five years. Rocket | ||
| Staindus |
Enough jibber jabber Where are this pics! | ||
| Freezerburn |
The real rumor Rocket is that the new Buell will be flex fuel and come with take-offs. They will all be painted green...and be tubers. Not like your S1 but like potato tubers. Take that and eat it. | ||
| Buellshyter |
What's 130hp going to do for those of you that keep pushing for more hp? The bike will still not be competitive with the big boys. However, I think that is what Buell is going to come out with because so many have complained. Some of you will feel better till about Fall then you'll be bitching you need some more hp. Buell will no longer be "different in every sense". A full faired Jap replica with a Buell badge on the tank. Ho-hum. | ||
| Court |
Write it down and date it . . . . I'm sticking with it. Anyone recall the abuse I took from Steve Beigler when I said Buell would someday have built 10,000 motorcycles . . . I was the laughing stock of the internet. I'll stick by it. | ||
| Spatten1 |
What's 130hp going to do for those of you that keep pushing for more hp? I don't think most of us want ZX10 power. Just get us out of the 1980's and into the late 1990's. Seriously, 110hp to the rear wheel is a 45% increase for the XB9 and a 30% increase for the XB12. The literbikes are putting out 160 to the rear wheel, I don't think many people here are looking for that. | ||
| Kyrocket |
I dig it! Stick to your guns Court! I too would like to see some pics, if it is going to be a tuber will it have Potato(e) head faces? |
