| Author | Message | ||
     Spiderman |
I have been talking to Moto and doing my own research. Your carbed bike will only be a E85 vehicle you can not switch between the two grades. Once E85 becomes available you can switch your vehicle over to E85 with basic mods. A compliant fuel line, the ethel will eat the stock rubber line. And the proper tuning. You will not need any head work done unless you are running older Buell heads that are basic sporty heads. T-storm and XB heads will flow enough to handle the E85. I would recommend bumping your comp ratio to take full advantage of the 105+ octane  | ||
| Spiderman |
**edit** "Once E85 becomes widley available" Nuthing worse than being in the middle of no where lookin for E85 and trying to choke down unleaded and running too rich | ||
| Motorsickledoc |
thats why we make it possible to run both. | ||
| Spiderman |
on a carbed bike, you are trying to tell me you can run E85 and Unleaded without re tuning your carb? | ||
| Motorsickledoc |
spider i didnt say that. i said we make it possible to run both.it does take a slight adjustment at this time with the current carb we use.we have a dual-fuel carb in development.feel better now?like i said in the replies to your emails. ill be in michigan this weekend if you would like to learn a little more about the conversion,icluding total cost of the kit.just let me know.we will be heading out early friday morning. | ||
| Kuuud |
Bad news: $65+ to fill my van with regular gas. It's a 6 cyl and gets 13 to 18 MPG. Good news: The rumors are true! The '07 download for the Uly DID increase gas mileage. Two full tanks yesterday = 57 and 62 MPG ! Woo Hoo! Yes it was a fairly mellow group ride, but still... Bret | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Just had madame's FIAT Multipla diesel remapped, it's a 1.9l common rail turbo diesel, stock is 115hp, remapped 155hp, & it uses about 5% less fuel too. Once it hits 3000 it just pulls like a train! | ||
| Spiderman |
propane injected into the air stream can get ya a few more ponies | ||
| Ryker77 |
Also, when thinking of converting an engine that somewhat requires 92+Octane, do you have to derate the engine somehow to burn the functionally lower octane rated E85? E85 is higher octane with lower BTU. So to take real advantage you need much higher compression and a proper tuning. But then if you can't find e85 and would be forced to use dino gas and octane boost to prevent pinging and of course you'd run rich. Turbo cars "could" have duel tuned ECU to bump up boost and fuel maps to take advantage of E85. On a bike that has 150-200 mile range you'd better plan around e85 pumps. I am sure there are none in my state neither is Biodiesel.. | ||
| Glitch |
Tony, if you'd like to become a sponsor I can allow you to continue peddling your kit on the BadWeB. If not I'm going to have to ask you to stop. Thanks for understanding. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hughlysses, I own a TDI Golf that puts down 170ish HP and over 340ft/lbs of torque. Still gets NO less than 43MPG. VNT17 turbo thats ceramic coated 3" FMIC Pd150 intake thats HPC coated 11mm pump pp764 injectors fuel cooler, larger heat exchanger, Amsoil by-pass, 506.01 oil, .651 5th gear.. Shine springs, Ebiach sway bars, Koni yellow shocks. Ryker, Man, that's awesome. Given the way my stock TDI pulls with 100 HP, that thing must be amazing. | ||
| Motorsickledoc |
no problem glitch. i didnt intend to try to sell the kit,only to make folks aware that they can use e85 if they choose.its the continuous line of information that folks want that makes hard to draw the line on whats information and what sounds like a sales pitch.thats my reason for telling folks to contact me for anything more than i post.come to think of it a sponsor ship might not be a bad idea.send me some info on that,if you dont mind glitch. thanks, tony | ||
| Glitch |
Tony, Again, thanks for understanding. I'll PM you some more information. | ||
| Bads1 |
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| Buellinachinashop |
3.40 a gallon in Germantown today, the least they could do is buy you dinner before screwing you. I'm not quite understanding why the state of Wisconsin penalizes stations selling gas too cheap. Isn't that what capitalism is all about? | ||
| Diablobrian |
We're "only" at $3.09 here as of this afternoon. It looks like it will be cheaper to get a trailer hitch and install it on my car than to drive my RV up to homecoming. Anyone happen to have a hitch for a 94 Caprice? And no, riding up(I wish!) on my bike is not a possibility for me physically before that gets brought up.  | ||
| Crusty |
This afternoon, it cost me $13.55 for 4.288 gallons of Sunoco Ultra I had 195.2 miles on the trip meter. 45 1/2 MPG. Not bad, considering most of the tank was used commuting in Rush Hour traffic. The radio was blathering on about how gas is expected to hit $4.00/gal. this summer. Sure am glad I've got a Buell, and not a Cadillac Escalator, or a Lincoln Masturbator, or a Yukon Denali, etc., etc. | ||
| Sparky |
It's bad enough that gas prices are getting as high as they are, but dig this article in the LA Times, "You may not be getting all you pay for at the pump." The gist of it centers around the fed's defining a gallon of fuel to be 231 cubic inches at 60 degrees F. But the average fuel temperature in California, for example, is 74.8 degrees, and when fuel is warmer, it expands. So the effect is that for every gallon of hot fuel pumped, you get slightly less than a calibrated gallon at 60 degrees, costing about 3 cents more per gallon. That's not much, but it sucks nevertheless. So, what can a guy do? Well, until they install temperature compensated gas pumps, I think I'll buy my gas in the morning when the storage tanks and pumps are colder rather than in the blazing heat of the day. That's probably the only way to break even in this game. Waddya think? | ||
| Crusty |
Gasoline is usually stored underground, and temperatures are fairly constant. So the gas you pump at 3:30 in the afternoon is the same temp as the gas that was pumped at 5:00 AM. That's why when I fill my Uly at the corner station on the way home the gas expands and the bike pees on the garage floor. Considering that there are 128 ounces to a gallon, that three cents is less than a shot glass full. | ||
| Bads1 |
Theres no way gas gets warm in there tank's under ground and the pumps don't hold gas what so ever. Thats a bunch of crap. | ||
| Alchemy |
I have a friend who once had a business developing gas pump to cash register integration. He always said the pumps were carefully calibrated to compensate for temperature. Gas volume changes quite a bit with temperature. Imagine the metal tank truck that has been sitting in the sun all day and then bills the station for their delivery. The volume of gas purchased will shrink as it hits the underground tank. Also as the truck is emptied the cool air from the empty underground tank comes in to replace the gas going out and thus has a cooling effect. Lots of interesting dynamic physics to consider particularly when there is money involved. | ||
| Ryker77 |
It's bad enough that gas prices are getting as high as they are, but dig this article in the LA Times, "You may not be getting all you pay for at the pump." The double wall underground tanks act like a thermos. The fuel is transported in a tanker - during its delivery in the hot sun it warms ups. Also most fuel before getting loaded into the tanker is above ground and in the sunlight. Many trucking magazines and truckers know this since they keep track of MPG and fill up often. USA doesn't have fuel temp sensors in the pumps. Canada does. | ||
| Leftcoastal |
Last weekend a friend of mine & I drove my Dodge Ram 6 cyl truck to the Bay area from LA to the Legend of the Motorcycle show. Costs about $225 in fuel!! We were fighting a major headwind going north, and had a sizeable load in the bed coming back, which may have been a factor in the mileage. That show was so awesome it was worth all the gas, hotel, food and admission ($50 each) we spent! An added bonus was that I got to spend about 10 minutes bullshitting with Erik Buell - he was there as a judge. AL | ||
| Sparky |
I'm not disputing that underground storage tanks can maintain a nearly constant temperature but, the article says, feds sampled underground tank temperatures in Cali from 2002 to 2004 and found the average temperaure was 74.8 deg. The point is that the pumps, which are above ground, are calibrated for a 60 deg gallon. The article also states that US oil companies and distributors do account for temperature when they sell to each other, but that equity stops at the retail fuel pump. So, when we reach for that gas nozzle and it's warm to the touch, you can bet we're not getting what we pay for. Except in Canada where they do have temp compensating pumps. I wonder why that i$? | ||
| Bads1 |
I think its a bunch of crap. When a tanker delivers gas they deliver the whole load not just part of it. It goes by how much fuel the station ordered and of which grade. A tanker holding say 10,000 gallons do you really think that much gas heats up that much gas in the sun in roughly a few hours?? I don't think so. Also when you speak of a warm pump handle why would that do anything?? The gas isn't in it,its under ground. | ||
| Oldog |
IIRC most pumps are using positive displacement meters, and Liquids don't compress. think piston / cylinder in the small volumes we'er buying the difference due to "gravity" is minute. I think Dana has got it right. | ||
| Slaughter |
Thermal expansion of gasoline is about 950 x 10^(-6) per degree Celsius. Meaning 2% volume change at 20 degrees difference. Warmer truck means bigger gas volume, after selling the gas to the station, it cools in the ground (shrinking in volume), the pump measures the cooler gas volume... in effect the gas station just "lost" a couple percent money/profit/fuel volume - however you want to look at it. Don't know if my logic is flawless but gas DOES really expand with temperature. Nothing is perfect. | ||
| Bads1 |
10,000 GALLON delivery would never go up 20 degrees. Even 1000 gallon's would go up 20 degrees in the amount of time. Most stations that are busy stations get 2 deliveries a week of an average 8-10,000 gallons a week. And as far the station losing money?? The gas is ordered 2-3 days prior and your paying for that many gallons and thats what gets put on the truck. Like I said when these trucks stop they don't give you fuel and then go on to the next station.When its done the truck is empty it doesn't go on to another station it has to go back to get more fuel every time. Lots you learn when your brother owns 2 large C station's | ||
| Slaughter |
Bads1, Good explanation of how it really works. | ||
| Bads1 |
I'll tell ya Steve when you have family thats in the Gas business and like me around them atleast every day. When other people are around its about the only thing that gets talked about because the price of gas. I hear alot of stuff. Theres actually alot of stations that are going out of business because of this already. Its usually the smaller ones that have less to offer or Mid block ones that may be on a busy street but not located on a busy corner that suffer. I've seen two go belly up so far and that is in the last week and a half. |
