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     Anonymous |
through Google translator: Michel Amalric has just gained this Sunday (01/04/07) the first race of the Challenge Protwin 2007 in Lédenon on the Buell XBRR of the team Macadam Motor bike of Montpellier. He precedes of more than 6 seconds Ducati 999 R of Michel Mounier and Fabienne Migout. A beautiful performance since Michel discovered his news Buell XBRR version machines this same weekend. After two meetings of 20 minutes preparation Friday morning and Friday afternoon, Michel Amalric took down the two poles positions on the meetings of qualification of Saturday under the rain with 14h and on track dries with 18h20. Michel Amalric: “This race was longest of my career. I was very awaited. I had put much pressure after my victory finally of Protwin 2006 and I was to take down this victory. I rely any on my news Buell and I will approach the next race of the Protwin Challenge in a way much more serene. I there will be to gain! ” One will note also the beautiful performance of Bruno Destoop who after having held the second place during the two-thirds of the race, inopportunely fell during the 12th turn. Michel reports that his XBRR accelerated with 1098s that were fitted with the Ducati factory race pipe and race ECU, and handled better. Bruno Destoop was also XBRR mounted, but crashed late in the race while holding third. | ||
| Firebolt428 |
Good news! Thanks for keeping us updated. (Message edited by firebolt428 on April 05, 2007) (Message edited by firebolt428 on April 05, 2007) | ||
| Rocketman |
999R and 1098 are street bikes. Rocket | ||
| Jeffnights |
So the full race bike XBRR beat a 1098 with a pipe and ECU? I certainly would hope so. | ||
| Anonymous |
"So the full race bike XBRR beat a 1098 with a pipe and ECU? I certainly would hope so." Another way to look at this is that a 1340cc, pushrod V-twin whose basic configuration was laid out in 1952 smoked Ducati's latest in what Ducati claims is 170 hp trim, with a rev limit 3000 rpm higher than the XBRR's. You don't have to be impressed, but I am. | ||
| G234146 |
Great News Anony! Go Buell!  | ||
| Thepup |
I would hope a $30,000 factory race bike could beat a $15,000 street bike.Sorry not very impressive. | ||
| Blake |
Woohoo! WAY to go Michel Amalric and the Buell XBRR team! Better luck next time Bruno. Thanks for posting this anony! How do we follow this series? It seems the XBRR may be on it's way to its first championship. What the heck is wrong with you naysaying jackasses? Talk about coming in to shit on a major achievement and the well deserved celebration. Sometimes it's just better and polite to be quiet. Is not a Ducati 999R with ECM and pipe, complete with Ohlins suspension and all manner of carbon fiber and titanium go fast parts a $30K racing machine? It sure as heck is not a street legal bike, not in race trim. It in fact is the baseline for the bike that won the World Superbike championship last year. Anyone who imagines that the Ducati 999R racing machine competing in that race was a stock street machine or involved less than $30K investment total is clueless and woefully ignorant concerning racing motorcycles. Accelerates with a 170 HP superbike. WOW! Congrats to Michel and his team and to the Buell XBRR crew. Yet another impressive victory for the XBRR. This is getting exciting. | ||
| Blake |
Also, contrary to the ignorant naysaying of some here, Michel's XBRR is not a "factory" bike. It is his bike. He's a privateer. The XBRR is no more "factory race bike" than the Ducati 999R Superbike that it beat. This would be the second time that Michel whooped up on some Ducati 999R superbikes. It likely won't be the last. Rico Penzkofer of course began that trend with his win at Daytona a year ago over the 999R Superbike and its fogged up pilot.  | ||
| Smoke |
CONGRATULATIONS MICHEL!!!!!!! keep on racin. good job. tim | ||
| Rocketman |
A Ducati 999R is a street bike. If one were raced by a privateer in 'race trim' one would have to remove the lights and relevant connector and probably save a little weight by changing to a carbon fiber fairing etc. There is little else left to do to make a stock out of the box race orientated 999R anymore race able. The electronics use CAN line engine management technology. CAN line is two wires supplying everything. No need to remove the wiring loom. Ohlins is stock as is a lot of CF. Lighter wheels stock too. As for HP, the 999R is rated by Ducati at 150 crankshaft HP. To take a Testastretta engine from a 999R which already includes the best engine components available from Ducati as stock fit (not what is in a 999S) to 170 crank HP would necessitate some serious tuning and components from Ducati's full on works engine - against the rules of the series I suspect? Or just drop in last years works engine - against the rules of the series I suspect? That aside, when someone posts up "XBRR beats Ducati 999s, 1098s in French ProTwins Race" as a topic header, and does so anonymously, then one must assume that in doing so that person is using Ducati as a benchmark for the XBRR, and they are at the same time stating the XBRR's achievement more worthy in doing so because it BEAT THE BENCHMARK. That to me is misleading, and as a Ducati owner and somewhat fan of the brand, I also see the comments as somewhat confrontational. Better would have been not to mention the Ducati's at all, or better describing them rather than making out because the 999R had (allegedly) 170HP (somewhere?) that the XBRR's achievement was even greater. This is not nay saying. It is the reality of the situation. Would one support the efforts of Tyson, Ali, Foreman, Norton, Hollyfield etc etc etc if after the fight we found out they had all beaten amateur light heavyweights rather than pro heavyweights? See the difference? Rocket | ||
| Thepup |
Blake,who built the XBRR,BMC,so it is a factory built race bike.When a Buell that is sold to the general public as a street legal bike and beats a Ducati 999,1098 that will be impressive. | ||
| Jscott |
First off, congratulations to Michel Amalric! However does anyone ask themselves how an XBRR can whoop up on some 999's and 1098's in France, but in the good ole' US of A the XBRR gets it's ass handed to it by lowly 600's in Formula Xtreme? I would assume it's a combination of whether or not those French Ducati's being in true race trim as well as Michel's abilities on board the XBRR versus those of the Ducati's. Either way good for them... Impressive? Sure. How impressive may depend on that context. (Message edited by JScott on April 06, 2007) | ||
| Trojan |
Congratulations to Michel and to Peter Clark for his preparation of the bike  I do get a bit annoyed with the 'Buell beats Ducati' type headline though, as it doesn't show any context or explanation of the actual race. In 2003 we regularly beat a full superbike spec Ducati 996 every weekend with a pretty stock XB9 fitted with a completely stock XB12 motor. Was it some secret engine development that we had? No, we just had a very good rider and the Ducati rider was crap! Michel won a very good race in the cold and wet conditions at Ledenon to beat some very good bikes and riders, so why not celebrate that instead of trying to hype it up with meaningless headlines. If you look at the other bikes in the field you'll see that they were nearly all Ducati variants of some type, plus a few Aprilia RSV and Honda VTR's, so we know that the opposition was good. No need to resort to tabloid headlines. It will be very interesting to see how the Buell compares with the other bikes at faster circuits like Le Mans, but meanwhile please don't belittle this win by making silly comparisons. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
If you want to follow the series, look here. http://www.challenge-protwin.com/index.htm In French I'm afraid, & I haven't been able to find a site in English that covers the series yet. | ||
| Anonymous |
Last post on this subject: 1098S, which are the only 1098's Ducati has yet produced, are $20,000 in the US, and roughly 20,000 Euro in Europe -- about $26,000. They're designed to form the basis for Ducati's World Superbike effort, and compete with open-class Japanese Fours -- and they're an impressive accomplishment. The fact that Moto-Macadam is finishing ahead of these on any pushrod Buell is noteworthy, and noting that doesn't belittle their victory. | ||
| Jetrider802 |
"When a Buell that is sold to the general public as a street legal bike and beats a Ducati 999,1098 that will be impressive." Thepup Don't mean to sound arrogant but "been there done that" heres a link to our website that has video footage of me pass in a 998/999 down the straight a NHIS. http://www.jetroadracing.com/racing_pages/xb12r_ra cing/buell_race_footage.html the Bike is a 1200cc xb buell, it started life as a 9 and last year i ran it with a 12 crankshaft http://www.jetroadracing.com/racing_pages/xb12r_ra cing/buell_specs.html This year we will be running against 1098 in supertwins (with an XB9r) so more video them getting spanked will follow after 4/29/07 (Message edited by JETrider802 on April 06, 2007) | ||
| Reepicheep |
You tease!
So then... what other kind of Buell is there!?!? (and the square fours don't count) | ||
| Trojan |
Last post on this subject: 1098S, which are the only 1098's Ducati has yet produced, are $20,000 in the US, and roughly 20,000 Euro in Europe -- about $26,000. They're designed to form the basis for Ducati's World Superbike effort, and compete with open-class Japanese Fours -- and they're an impressive accomplishment. The fact that Moto-Macadam is finishing ahead of these on any pushrod Buell is noteworthy, and noting that doesn't belittle their victory. The first 1098 actually finished 5th in Ledenon, behind the Buell, a 999, a Ducati 'Hybrid' and another 999. Given that a 1098 spanked everyone in World Supersport at Donington last weekend, and is expected to do likewise in British Superstock this weekend I would have doubts that this 1098 was anywhere near superbike spec, and certainly not ridden by a world class rider, otherwise the story may have been a different one. However on the day the Buell was first, so congratulations are due. By the way, the 1098 will not form the basis of a new Ducati Superbike effort, as the capacity is only 1100cc. If Ducati get their way then the new Superbike will be 1200cc and a different engine entirely. The 1098 was designed to compete on the street with the Jap 4's and isn't even eligible for Superbike competition. | ||
| Jackbequick |
My congratulations to Michel Amalric for winning. I see nothing in that report but a description of the facts as they occurred. He finished first, those what were behind him. I see nothing more sinister than that. It is an interesting report and, as someone who likes Buells, I'm happy for the rider and everyone involved. Blake, are you sure we don't need a <plonk> function here? It will really make a lot of these threads more pleasant to read. Jack | ||
| Bigblock |
Some people a little touchy about Ducs here? GROW UP! THIS IS A BUELL BOARD!!!!!!!! Some one needs to learn how to read. No one said the 999 was making 170 HP, BUT....... DUCATI says their 1098 makes 170 HP Stock. Got spanked. Live with it. No, I'm not trying to stir anything up, either...    | ||
| Court |
A kid that works for me bought a 1098 in that tri-color get up. Cute bike, but it's no Buell. So I am to believe that the good folks from Ducati showed up with something less than their best effort. Let me guess. . . their corporate visor fogged over. Congratulations to Michel Amalric on the WIN. | ||
| M2nc |
You know when a Buell loses to the 600cc FX bike I sure hope I did not whine as much as some Duc fans here. Its a race and on that day with those riders and those riding conditions, the Buell came out on top. No reason to whine about it. Actually the XBRR is the fastest Twin in the world today on the race track. It has beaten the best of the best and more than once. It is still not fast enough to compete with the best of the fours but you do not hear me whine about it. I still dig the brand and like it when someone puts out a good effort. Go Buell!! (Message edited by M2nc on April 06, 2007) (Message edited by M2nc on April 06, 2007) | ||
| Trojan |
I think you are missing the point. I and others are not whining because a Ducati got beaten. In fact I am very pleased it did. What is annoying is that Anony has chosen to put such a slant on his 'headline', unlike the original French race report, which describes it exactly is it is without resorting to cheapo tabloid tactics. As M2C says, the Buell and Michel were the fastest on the day and they won, which is great, but don't turn it into a 'XBRR is better than a 1098' thread, because that doesn't do the bike, the rider or the team any justice at all. | ||
| Crusty |
As has been pointed out, this is a Buell Enthusiast board. There are more than a few who are tired of hearing about the superiority of Ducatis, Aprilias, KTMs, BMWs, ad nauseum. Why is it wrong to crow a little about a Buell victory? Why should we even hint at impartiality? The title of this thread wasn't even close to some of the thread titles lauding other marques accomplishments. I guess that to some people, it's wrong to be enthusiastic and supportive of the "home team", and that we should praise the accomplishments of the opposition. Personally, I would have preferred the Headline, "Buell beats Italian twin with Rube Goldberg inspired and unnecessarily complicated valve actuation system". However, I admit to being a Buell enthusiast, and I refuse to be apologetic about it. | ||
| Thepup |
Sorry M2nc the XBRR is not the fastest twin,the Ducati 999R in superbike last year had atleast 4 second better lap time on every track they both raced on.So that would tell me that the Ducati is the fastest twin. | ||
| Naustin |
 I have a great idea. From now on, lets forgo any actual racing, and just strap all the bikes up to a dyno and whichever one makes the most HP wins, because HP and absolute top speed are the only things that matter.  | ||
| Mutation_racer |
GO BUY A DUC IF THATS WHAT YOU WANT . It takes one hell of a great rider to jump aboard a xbrr and go fast it. I should know i race one. im still learning how to use its power. things take time and we got a lot of time . maybe the pup only wish he could ride one. and we all know if it was avaible for the street you would be the first to buy it. stop sweeting the bike, loser | ||
| Rocketman |
Given this is a Buell forum, and we often talk about other marques, it is refreshing to see a thread where Ducati's get praised. Yep it does happen, but I bet no one can find a thread anywhere on BadWeB where a Ducati is complemented without someone slating them. Tell you what though, here in the UK there has never been a better time to buy an older model Ducati. 916's have fallen through the floor. I very recently saw a really nice 1995 example dripping in carbon and other stuff, advertised for £2495. Buyers market. That said, used Buells have always been the kiss of death. It's not just Buells and Ducati's either. There are currently at least 20 Brutale 750's advertised where I've been looking. Just this morning I was offered a 1 owner full MV history 10,000 miler for £4900. I bid £4500 firm and he turned me down. I think lower milers will soon be under £5k, and this 10k miler will still be for sale weeks from now. Then I'll bid £4k  Rocket | ||
| Court |
>>>So that would tell me that the Ducati is the fastest twin. Uhhh...the Ducati that finished behind that Buell? . . that the one you are talking about? Face it . . the Buell handed the Ducati it's ass. |
