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Plag
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 11:34 am: |
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Saw this on the Trojan site. Anybody tried this? I'm assuming it must use an O2 sensor. Sounds too good to be true...but if it works... Remus Powerizer Fuel Injection Controller Now available from Remus, the quality Austrian exhaust manufacturer, the Remus Powerizer is the easiest to use of all the available fuel injection controllers. Simply plug and play, with no adjustments being necessary. This unit plugs into your stock wiring harness between the standard (or race kit) ECU and the injectors. The fast microprocessor in the REMUS Powerizer analyses continuously and in real time load, RPM and injector duration, and automatically adjusts for optimum fuelling. Ideal when fitting aftermarket exhausts and airbox solutions to ensure perfect fuelling throughout the rev range, without the need to make manual adjustments or set up on a dyno. Includes on/off switch., full wiring and instructions. Available for all XB9 & XB12 models
http://www.britnett-carver.co.uk/trojanhorse/prods/277.html P |
Hogs
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 02:31 pm: |
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Well, I think this unit wd. be still Limited to what it could do, But Prove me wrong??? Big bores 1450/1500 cams, headwork??? Tell me I am Wrong??? |
07xb12scg
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 03:48 pm: |
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Seems too good to be true. |
Sjh
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 03:56 pm: |
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Hogs, I do not have a lot of headwork or radical cams but the direct link handled my 1474-90" kit fine. CycleConnection will be able to verify my results much better as I think they a building a big bore XB that will be very radical. |
Plag
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 04:10 pm: |
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Direct Link would be the way to go if you are going to create a map on a dyno or load one that someone has made. The claim of the Remus is that you hook it up and it will adjust the mapping automatically. Trojan - have you sold many and and are they any good? P |
Sjh
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 04:21 pm: |
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It appears to work-hook-up like the power commanders do, I hope they work better. If this product works well it sure would be the way to go. It would save on dyno time & $$$, but would allow the owner to change the bike's mods without return dyno trips. |
Surveyor
| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 06:40 pm: |
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I wonder if it will work with my Remus/Sebring pipe....Matt? |
Trojan
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 03:07 am: |
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This is a very new product and we don't have too much feedback on the Buell fitment yet, although what we do have is excellent. There is quite a bit of feedback on other fitments such as Ducati and KTM, and it is all good. We have sold 6 of these for Buell fitment so far with more on order, so more feedback will be available very soon If you have big bore/head work etc then it may still be better to get something like direct link or Rapid Bike for a bespoke map, but for 90% of people this unit should be the only thing they need . Think of this as an optimiser, or a kind of automatic TFi unit, rather than something that will make huge mapping changes and you won't be far wrong. It will work very well with the Remus/Sebring pipe, as it was developed using their products, although it will work equally as well with other aftermarket pipes. |
Plag
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:43 am: |
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Trojan - thanks for the info. Have you guys or any of your customers run one of the other ones on a dyno to check the fueling after it's been set up? Does it use an O2 sensor? This looks like something amazing! P |
984gasm
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 12:40 pm: |
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would this solve issues with popping/backfiring with a drummer/race ecm/race filter setup? |
Xl1200r
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 12:58 pm: |
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On the surface it sounds too good to be true. But when you think a little harder, the logic behind it is solid. I've wondered for some time why a product like this hasn't been availible before. It knows what the ECM is doing, so it also knows what the O2 sensor and TPS are reading, so it can calculate the load, and then make any corrections necessary to get the mixture correct for that RPM and engine load. I'd love to hear some feedback on this from someone first hand. |
Isham
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 01:30 pm: |
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Buell needs to buy this from Remus and put it in the bike standard. Since Electronic Fuel Injection is standard they need to go the extra mile and make it run better. (Message edited by isham on March 30, 2007) |
Teeps
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 02:19 pm: |
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Trojan, any chance of reviewing the installation instructions? |
Tigerbythetail
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 04:29 pm: |
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hi.................."Buell needs to buy this from Remus and put it in the bike standard. Since Electronic Fuel Injection is standard they need to go the extra mile and make it run better.........." ..........it always amazes me how little information is needed to get people to issue blanket statements........... .......I would like to see the measurements from a separate lambda sensor when you put the stock bike just without the air filter and without the inner airbox cover (no other changes) through its paces on a racetrack in the following fashion 1. warm the bike up on the track for 30 min 2. null the ECM data and do a dyno run 3. ride the bike for 30 min 4. repeat the dynorun In chase the problem with running to lean at lower revs in this configuration and during accelleration is correct as well as the initial powergain of up to 8 BHM is still there then this box is worthwile..........anybody done this? Please be so kind and publish the curves. Regards tiger |
Ezblast
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 05:28 pm: |
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You volunteering your bike? Because your asking someone to run theirs very lean all out without even a TPS reset - lol GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Tigerbythetail
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 06:24 pm: |
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another one who cracks a joke without thinking and knowledge what the TPS reset actually does................yes I would......what do you think the highly praised FAST system does??????????????????????? tiger |
Tiller269
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 07:42 pm: |
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Ezblast Changing the mixture by removing the inner airbox, will have no effect on the TPS setting. I have had a few dealings with Trojan and found them to be very honest and good to do business with. I doubt they would be selling something that does not work. I guess I'll just have to buy one and book some dyno time. When I get some results, I'll post them. |
Ezblast
| Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 11:42 pm: |
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Wouldn't it make you leaner? GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Ezblast
| Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 12:20 am: |
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Plag
| Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 12:32 am: |
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Yes...sorry for the sarcasm Ez..deleted |
Ezblast
| Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 12:41 am: |
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I set my very 1st Blast engine on the edge, running a hot plug and lean jetting, experimental ignition system, an intake leak later melted her down - too much leanness kills an engine - don't want you to melt her unnecessarily - lol - always want to keep your fuell in a certain parameter for engine longevity - if this system will do that well - it could probably do the big bores - that would be the question - can it? - GT - JBOTDS! EZ |
Plag
| Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 12:58 am: |
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It's amazing how quick you can crater a motor running lean. I really like the idea of this Remus system (providing it works well enough) because you can add the pieces over time as you can afford them without having to worry about the mapping with each change. Back to the TPS for a sec...after adding this module would a TPS reset be needed? P |
Tigerbythetail
| Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 05:09 am: |
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hi...............running this box on a big bore engine makes no difference to the requirement to assess its effect, and this is best done on a setup that can easily be reproduced and creates a well known "minor" problem that so far no aftermarket box has fixed adequatly. There was a big hype about the TFI.....the rest of the story is known Even without having this box in hand, based on the function of the TPS sensor and what this box alledgedly does, there is no need for a TPS reset, provided the TPS was set properly before the box was installed. Based on the sparse info on the website it is most likely, that a TPS reset if required should be done before this box is installed. The TPS reset (we all know that its proper setting is crucial for the clean running and accelleration of the bike) just sets the correct baseline for the maps. When this baseline is not correctly set, the bike always gets the wrong mapping information and the open loop learning function starts playing silly buggers. The 2007 models have a different TPS sensor to improve throttle responsiveness.........unfortunatly this sensor does not fit even the 2006 Manifold...............its like with Microsoft no backwards compatibility. Buell now frequently releases software updates for the ECM, but these only work for the 2005 upwards ECMs as these are reprogrammable. I am a bit skeptical that the concept of on the fly impulse interpretation and adjustment is able to deliver the desired effect.........show that works and I will buy one. The majority of the people run stock bikes. Please be so kind and consider my proposed experiment as it would give a real indication of its usefulness. tiger |
Isham
| Posted on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 07:48 am: |
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All I did was take trojans words as it being a pretty good thing. There's nothing wrong with me being hopeful sometimes as I am a natural skeptic most of the time. Buells are lacking in the technology department. Fuel in frame and ZTL is old news. I love my bike but wish I had more for my money...don't we all. Please give us at least a slipper clutch and a steering dampener. |
Mesafirebolt
| Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 01:22 pm: |
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I've never had my ECM "Programmed" at the dealer, what adjustments can they make? Everything I've done has been free, due to a thin (think Tracing paper)wallet. Holed the airbox like an '07, paint and excessive parts removal, oh yeah a trick oil breather system with the help of some excess aircraft braided steel line.. |
Ridrx
| Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 01:41 pm: |
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I wonder if this is similar to the MassAir/SpeedDensity argument we 5.0 StangBangers had a few years back. The mass air system could compensate for changed fuel/air flow(i.e. heads,headers,TB,etc.) but never maximized the potential of the combo., on the other hand the speed density system was tuned for the combo.(much like our beloved Buell) so it maximized performance but could not tolerate significant changes without re-tuning. I too would like to see results on a stock setup. I would be very interested in anything that allows small incremental changes as the funds come available. |
Buell920
| Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 11:14 pm: |
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with only reading the pulse form the ECM and still using the "narrow band O2"(they look to be not directly connected to this unit) this looks more like a fuell dumper than any type of adjuster. P.S the learn mode is only in closed loop not open |
Mesafirebolt
| Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:36 am: |
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The "BOX" on my diesel is a "Fuel Dumper" but it also remaps when the fuel is added, how much and for how long, it also raises the turbo boost pressure. I have a lot of confidence it it, it adds over 100 hp and 200 lbs of tq to the rear wheels. If this box works the same way, IF I can ever get the cash I'd go for it. |
Glitch
| Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 12:16 pm: |
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I'm interested The translation is a little lacking, but I think I get the idea. TPS Throttle Position Sensor If your bike is running well leave the TPS alone. What the TPS does is tell the ECM where zero is. About the only thing I can think of that would make the bike not know where zero is, would be to change throttle bodies, or ECM, maybe after many many miles the TPS could be off a bit, but after very nearly 50,000 miles, three different mufflers, a failed TFI, and a few other mods, my TPS has always stayed "set" |
Jtylr50
| Posted on Friday, April 06, 2007 - 10:58 pm: |
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This new box would be great if it does what it is claimed to do.I looked on the british buell forum tonight and some of them seem to really like it.My question is however what makes this different or better than the tfi or power commander which have not proven to a total soloution for open and closed loop and afv skewing? |
Mndwgz
| Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 05:36 pm: |
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Bump .... any results? |