| Author | Message | ||
     Noangel |
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27march07_roehr.htm Fellow Fuellers our prayers have been answered!!... Behold the coming of the new world order... Despite the very steep est. price of $39,995 | ||
| Liquorbox |
STILL a Very moot point! Why spend $40K for a bike that's slower heavier, and doesn't handle as well as a Duc 1098 for more than twice the price??!!?? | ||
| Bloose |
Because it's different! I wouldn't say my prayers have been answered but it is a great looking bike. If I had money to throw around I'd look into one. But I don't so I'll stick with my Lightning.  B | ||
| Bloose |
It does beg the question, why can't Buell do something like that? With HD Factory support and manufacturing it would likely be priced for less than 1/2 than that $40K. Don't get me wrong, I don't love the V-rod motor, but it could be done. It's funny that Buell got it's start by using an unlikely motor for a sport bike. It seems that the V-rod motor would fit that theme well. It would be a completely different animal than any current Buell but that doesn't make it a bad thing, does it? B | ||
| Xl1200r |
It's funny that Buell got it's start by using an unlikely motor for a sport bike. Buell started with using square 4 race engines. Then they moved onto XR1000 engines, which also had a long track history for both street and dirt. And the V-ROD engine is a derivative of the VR1000, also a racebike engine. I think it would be a neat idea for Buell to try and use it, but I don't know that I'd buy one. And the Roher is damn ugly anyways. I think the extra 20hp it has gets negated by the lack of torque and the extra weight it carries compared to an XB. (Message edited by xl1200r on March 28, 2007) | ||
| Olinxb12r |
Over and over and over and over..... Roehr is never going to produce that motorcycle! This has came up every couple months since I've been on the badwebb starting in January of 05. It has had different engines and now they have compeletely ripped off the last Duck front end. More power to the guy if he can actually make it, but I'm tired of hearing about it till one is actually produced and sold. | ||
| Court |
>>>And the V-ROD engine is a derivative of the VR1000, also a racebike engine. The twos engines are less related than eggs are to golf balls. One had nothing to do with the other. | ||
| Blake |
"It does beg the question, why can't Buell do something like that?" I disagree. The correct question, which has been answered is "Why would Buell do something like that?" Meaning why would Buell do something like an overweight, underpowered, liquid-cooled, V-Twin sport bike that is woefully inferior to the other sport bikes in it's class (other liquid-cooled, 1000cc+, V-Twin repli-racers) and one that would not qualify for any racing class currently on the books? The sportbike market is a bit more demanding. In their genre (air-cooled V-Twin sportbikes), the current Buell lineup is world-class. In their genre, the Duc 999 and now the Duc 1098 are world-class. If Buell is going to "do something" in a particular segment of the sport bike market, I doubt they are ever going to plan to doing something inferior. | ||
| Xl1200r |
The twos engines are less related than eggs are to golf balls. One had nothing to do with the other. Court - can you elaborate any (maybe a PM is more appropriate to not hijack the thread)? It was my understanding that the VRSC engine was essentially a re-egnineered and street tuned version of the VR1000. I don't doubt they probalby share no parts in common, but the design is there, is it not? | ||
| Court |
I'm searching my mind to recall the last time Erik Buell ever did ANYTHING just because someone else did. Blake nailed it . . .ain't gonna happen. I look for the good folks at Buell to do for motorcycling what the "Whack-a-Mole" did for Chuck E. Cheese. . . I'd have to do some digging, and I'm not sure it's accurate, but I'd almost be willing to say that the fellow who designed the VROD engine hadn't even seen the VR-1000 motor. That's probably not, factually, accurate but it provides a sense of order of magnitude of difference. I enjoy watching the "Harleywood" documentary about the VROD. I giggle, laugh and spit coca-cola into the popcorn bowl everytime I watch the leather vested version of "The Birth of the VROD". There are some folks who'd be highly agitated to find some of the stuff they wanted destroyed. . . . well, was somehow overlooked. Elves rule! | ||
| Swordsman |
I thought the only reason Buell DIDN'T already use the V-rod engine was that it's too freakin big and heavy? We all know it started out as a Buell project, but got blown too far out of proportion by H_D to make sense in a sport bike. So..... why.......? Oh, never mind. ~SM | ||
| Thepup |
"And the Roher is damn ugly anyways. I think the extra 20hp it has gets negated by the lack of torque and the extra weight it carries compared to an XB." What extra weight and what lack of torque?Plenty of sportbike engines have as much torque if not more than a XB. | ||
| Plag |
It's a very short list of bikes that make the torque an XB12 does and none at such low rpm. | ||
| Thepup |
It's a very short list of bikes that make the torque an XB12 does and none at such low rpm." Plag you might want to do a little research on that,there are more than a few. | ||
| M1combat |
Not much more than a few... That bike is overweight and underpowered. Sure, a "sportbike" frame can be wrapped around a v-rod engine. You can even throw some bodywork on it if you'd like. I suppose you could even put some Ohlins suspenders on it. That doesn't make it a good idea. That said... I hear the V-Rod is capable of some pretty sizeable numbers wrt HP. Still won't overcome the weight disadvantage though... It's probably not a "horrible" bike... but the v-rod engine needs a very fundamental redesign to be viable as a top tier sportbike engine. The tooling could probably be a start, so that's good, but it needs to lose a LOT of weight before it will make a "competitive" engine in a road racing class. Lets face it... If you're running a very heavy engine you need a lot more HP than the competition to make up for what you lose mid turn and on the brakes. It won't work unless it handles a decent bit better than the competition, or you can make the entire package weigh in at the same as your competition. I don't think that's possible with as much of a deficit as the Roehr is starting with... We need a LIGHT bigtwin. | ||
| Ridrx |
Care to name one sportbike that offers up 75 percent of it's available torque at 3500rpm ? | ||
| Thepup |
M1,didn't I post that list up for you,and it was more than a few?Ridrx,sure funny it still doesn't help it in the 1/4 mile,0-60,60-80 or 80-100 times.Yes the buell has torque,but it's a myth that they have more torque than any other bike. Buell XB12 77.5 CBR 1100 83.7 Kaw ZX10R 80 Kaw ZX12R 91 Kaw ZRX1200 79.6 Moto Guzzi V-11 78.2 Suz. GSXR 1000 78 That's not all of them | ||
| Xl1200r |
What extra weight and what lack of torque?Plenty of sportbike engines have as much torque if not more than a XB. Thepup, we're not talking about the Roehr vs. the XB12. We're talking about sportbikes as a whole. The Roehr makes 75 ft-lbs of tourque - according to the short list you compiled, it's dead last. As for weight, it's 425lbs dry - about 30lbs heavier than it should be. | ||
| Thepup |
Xl1200r,you were comparing it to a XB not other sportbikes.It's lighter than a XB has more HP and very little difference in torque.Is it worth $28,000 more than a XB? NO | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
YAWN!!!!! THIS TRIPE AGAIN?!? DEAR GOD, PLEASE DON'T LET ERIK BUELL PUT A V-ROD ENGINE IN A BUELL OR I WILL BUY A V-STROM. Who the hell wants THAT engine? Wanting a V-Rod engine in your Buell is like lusting after your sister. Unless you are in Arkansas, it just ain't right.  | ||
| Rocketman |
Wanting a V-Rod engine in your Buell is like lusting after your sister. After reading your profile you disappoint me Ft. Rocket | ||
| Plag |
Hey pup...too lazy to check all the numbers but I believe the torque number for the XB12 is 84 ft lbs. http://www.buell.com/en_ca/bikes/lightning/xb12ss/ specs.asp This would put it very close to the top of your list making it...are you ready for it..."very few". | ||
| Thepup |
Plag,my numbers came from Sportrider,they have the XB12 @ 77ftlbs.Plag go check out Sportrider,there are alot more bikes with more torque,BMW has 3 or so alone.Do some research Plag,Buell.com is not research. | ||
| Thepup |
BMW K1200R ('05) 83.2 @ 8,500 K1200S ('05) 88.3 @ 8500 R1150RS ('05) 83.4 @ 7500 R1200S ('06) 78.8 @ 7300 Ducati 999R ('05) 79.2 @ 8000 Honda CBR1000RR(05) 78.6 @ 8500 CBR1100XX(99) 83.7 @ 7250 Kawasaki ZX-10R ('06) 81.8 @ 8500 ZX-12R ('05) 90.7 @ 7750 ZRX1200('01) 79.6 @ 6750 ZZR1200('05) 83. @ 8500 Suzuki GSX-R1000(06) 79.2 @ 9750 Yep very few | ||
| Plag |
OK how about research on sportrider.com . Here is Sportriders list of "Sport Bikes": http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2007/ Funny they show 84 ft lbs on their website: http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2007/146_2007_buel l_firebolt_xb12r/specifications.html On their spec sheets there are "very few" with more: ZX14 by miles, ZX10 barely. Now I might have missed 1 or 2 sportbikes but my point is there are "very few"! | ||
| Plag |
Only 2 on your list with more than 84...are you waiting for it..."very few" | ||
| Isham |
The bike even looks like a Ducati. No one will buy that junk cause it's too much money. For those those that do they will always be looked down upon for owning a ducati kit bike. It even has some ducati parts on it. Look at the mirrors and other details.   (Message edited by isham on March 29, 2007) | ||
| Ridrx |
...and yet not a single one of the above listed bikes makes 75 pct. of it's total torque by 3500. The peak number is irrelevant to me, at 37 yrs old I have very little use for a detuned race bike as a daily ride, all I want is enough torque to be FUN in the rpm range I spend most of my time in 3500-4000. Rev for rev NOTHING touches the Buell. Ride your YZCBGXZR around at 3500-4000rpm for a day, no revving past 6k, and tell how much fun it was . V-Rod engine in a Buell?  Let's just hope that NEVER happens. | ||
| Court |
Ok. . .ok. . . ok . . .but if you DID have a life, what would you do with your time? | ||
| Thepup |
"OK how about research on sportrider.com . Here is Sportriders list of "Sport Bikes": http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2007/ "Funny they show 84 ft lbs on their website: http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/2007/146_2007_buel l_firebolt_xb12r/specifications.html On their spec sheets there are "very few" with more: ZX14 by miles, ZX10 barely. Now I might have missed 1 or 2 sportbikes but my point is there are "very few"!" Plag,once again you are using manufacturing info which is at the crank,all my info comes from the actual dyno tests that sportrider did.They show the XB12r at 77 ftlbs.Please do a little more research. (Message edited by thepup on March 29, 2007) |
