| Author | Message | ||
     Liquorwhere |
Finally someone does the right thing!!! http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article ?AID=/20070314/NEWS/703140547 | ||
| Bomber |
agreed -- a reasonable interpretation of law, hewing closely to what I believe the framers of the constitution had in mind -- very cool -- thanks for sharing this news!~ | ||
| Aldaytona |
Justice for the average guy, I love it. The cops are totally out of control here in Florida. The Sheriff here has more stars on his uniform than Mc Arthur had.  | ||
| Rainman |
Civil papers...they were arresting his wife for civil papers? That's not obstruction of justice. Had it been criminal charges, perhaps, but there's still no requirement for the wife to go get her husband, nor testify against him nor turn him over to the police. Sounds like the cops got what they deserved. | ||
| Tq_freak |
I totaly agree, the cops were way out of line. that is rediculous that even after the judge threw it out they still didn't see how they were wrong for there actions. | ||
| Buellshyter |
The cops are totally out of control here in Florida. It's happening with increased frequency all over the country. We've had a few in my state that were blown away by cops in no-knock searches. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Yup... the cops are out of control... They are becoming just like sportbikers, taking the "law doesn't apply to me" mentality... Dayum azzhats... the whole lot of 'em!! Whatever.... | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Well I know this...in one instance that I can find ON RECORD a judge finally stood up for a man's right to defend himself and his family and his home against thugs..in this case those acting as thugs were police officers and FINALLY someone told them they were wrong. Like it or not this is all too common to end in the OPPOSITE way with a man and a woman being attacked and then criminalized and they are then punished after they were wronged. Not this time. Finally, the law applied to EVERYONE and not just those that pay the bills and carry the weight of this country this time an officer of the law was put right by the law. Hopefully the first of many!!! | ||
| M1combat |
Excellent news. I have all the respect in the world for police officers in general but they can't be breaking the law. I would have done the same thing but around here I would have been shot at 58 times and actually shot twice  . It wouldn't make the papers and the cops would be suspended with pay at a training camp in the bahamas. Very glad to hear it. Anyone have any ties to get this on some widely distributed news channel? If anyone has a membership at digg.com they should post it . | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Great story... we need more judges like that. I think it's funny that a 56 y.o. man disarmed and beat up two police officers. Who were the cops? Barney Fife and Roscoe P. Coltrane? I also wonder what level of resistance would have been acceptable to the judge. What if the incident had escalated even further? It also seems to me that if the man had the right to resist in his own home then not only should he be exonerated but the officers should be charged with trespassing/assault. Never happen of course. Any LEO's out there have an opinion? | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Liquor... I don't have a problem with the ruling in this particular case... Motorman, The Officers probably won't be charged because they acted in "good faith" while attempting to perform their duties. Kinda like if you give someone CPR, you act in good faith and you aren't liable if the person lives, dies or becomes injured. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Those don't sound like bad cops, they sound like stupid cops. As far as cops being out of control, sure, there are a few like that (just like in any job... am I right?), but for the most part, they are just people like everyone else; good, bad, indifferent. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Why were the Cops not arrested for "false arrest" and entering the house? Too often the Cops have FREE will to do what the want without any law for them. The the Judge made they guy pay court cost. | ||
| Ryker77 |
 }  }  This is the quality of the cops in my area! The public saftey officer aka Cop. Hit the back of my car. Then lied in court "stopped in the middle of the road" "was going 60-70mph" and "tires spun and car fishtailed" hmm its a FRONT WHEEL drive car -- impossible to make the rear tires spin! and my car is way to slow to go 60-70mph! | ||
| Ryker77 |
http://www.newschannel9.com/engine.pl?station=wtvc &id=7342&template=breakout_story1.shtml my news story. BTW- they said this "Attorney David Groover, who stood with deputy Bohannon before and after the trial, says he believes Akley exaggerated his injuries to extort money." I had allready settled my insurance car claim, over a year prior to my court superior court trial. I recieved a whopping 500.00 for pain, suffering, day lost from work, and travel to doctors. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Ryker, Well I don't know about the rest of the board, but I find the attitude in print and quotation of those you dealt with reprehensible. I have $100.00 I will send you to help with your suit. Lemme know where to send the check. If we as bikers don't stick together then who will we stand with?? | ||
| Ryker77 |
No need for money, but thanks. If I was to tell you the line of questions the DA asked about my military service and medals you would really be pissed! I am just a young white male. Basically I've got not real rights. I had contacted a few good lawyers and they didn't want the case. I was ready and am ready to drop good money for a good lawyer. I'd love to sue and force the all of the leadership of that county, DA office, and Sheriffs office to have to take a class and write a pulic published paper on the "rights" of the American people. I don't want money just want to make a stand. | ||
| Rainman |
When my dad was a cop he was a personal sergeant and several times investigated minor traffic wrecks that officers would lie to cover up the fact they screwed up. Dad, however, was a trained traffic investigator and wound up firing two officers for lying. If they had told the truth, the city would have paid the expenses and they would have gotten a verbal warning. As it was, the city paid the expenses and they got fired. I've always admired my dad for that. Not everyone felt the same way though..... | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Well if you change your mind and would like some help to make your stand let me know what I can do. | ||
| Ryker77 |
I did call the state patrol and they did the accident investigation. The officer was given a verbal warning for following to close! lol Had to file a formal complaint on the trooper becuase of his continuous negative commments on my military service and his actions with my wife (after I left the scene). But of course the audio system wasn;t working properly and was unable to record his comments. They didn't like the fact I was prior military police and knew what and how to take pictures. They didn't like that I called in a different agency to handle the wreck. They didn't like that I called my buddy (local patrolman). | ||
| Hardcorps |
You know I am not trying to start an argument here, but the post above that are generalized statements about law enforcement, are no different than people making generalized statements about sport bike riders. I in no way think what happened to Ryker is ok. I also believe the officers in the above article were out of line. In fact after Spidys accident the trooper that policed it was a real prick! (I had some words with him in private, and everything worked out ok!) This forum is starting to take on the MOB attitude. Get them! All Cops are evil!!!!!!! Cops are people too some are smart some are dumb, some are azzh*les. I for one became a cop to help people, and would like to think that I have and will continue too. Hard Corps ok flame away now | ||
| Paint_shaker |
What Hardcorps said!!! Ryker, it sounds like you got the shaft in your situation. I have ZERO tolerance for people who lie (other officers included)!! However, I wouldn't like that you called your "buddy patrolman" either. My traffic stop or my traffic crash investigation is just that, mine! If you feel you have been wrongfully issued a ticket, go to court. I will not argue on the side of the road. If you want to call the Highway Patrol to come work the traffic crash, I will gladly turn it over to them. They are fanatic about writing tickets (more so than I) and their policy states they shall write a traffic citation in all traffic crash investigations, with almost no exception. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"However, I wouldn't like that you called your "buddy patrolman" either. My traffic stop or my traffic crash investigation is just that, mine!" Mine huh. I thought that CITIZENS of this Country had rights. ? No where and no place in our countries documents does it care what a cop "likes". I called my buddy becuase he is a good honest person and a stellar cop. His patrol captian also didn't like the situation at hand. The idiot cop that hit my car then gave me a bogus ticket was modern day Barney Phife. He was a court/cival service paper pusher. He was too stupid/scared to be a real patrolman and had been removed from patrol division before. " policy states they shall write a traffic citation in all traffic crash investigations, with almost no exception." Expect when dealing with another badge. Becuase the officer who slid over 45 feet in a 35mph zone - got a VERBAL courtesy warning. How nice! "If you feel you have been wrongfully issued a ticket, go to court. I will not argue on the side of the road. " Sure lets go to court. Now let me explain the court process. 1- you must take time ($$$$) off from work to walk into court to plead not guilty. Why not a simple letter, phone call, or just a visit to the DA - why can't I do accused do any of those to plead not guilty? Why becuase its legal BLACKMAIL. 2- many months later next you must take time off from work again ($$$$$) and travel to court and waste hours waiting in the courtroom only this time to plead not guilty again for superior court 3- now your placed on superior court docket. You must be in court for roll call every three months. Your case may or may not be tried at that time. Or you can pay $$$$$$$ for a laywer and get an estimated date but not a time. You could be on the court dockets for YEARS. I live out of state and am ($$$) unable to drive to court for roll call 4 times a year. I would loose my job. 4- Now you get a court WEEK and are told but not guaranteed a court day or time. Lawyers get paid by the HOUR. This is how the blackmail begins. Now you show up for court and are told you might get seen that day and it might be that afternoon. You see it takes about 5 minutes, a pen, and a sheet of paper for a cop to issue a bogus ticket. BUT a CITIZEN is forced to waste HOURS of time and THOUSANDS of dollars. Must miss work, tell there boss why they need time off, travel several hundred miles back n forth to court. "If you feel you have been wrongfully issued a ticket, go to court. I will not argue on the side of the road. " But please take a few seconds to review the code. (Message edited by ryker77 on March 15, 2007) (Message edited by ryker77 on March 15, 2007) | ||
| Ryker77 |
}"This forum is starting to take on the MOB attitude. Get them! All Cops are evil!!!!!!! Cops are people too some are smart some are dumb, some are azzh*les. I for one became a cop to help people, and would like to think that I have and will continue too. " Agreed. Many of my buddies were/are cops. But in my case it wasn't just the single cop. The whole leadership failed. At some point a Sergeant, Captain, Sheriff, and DA should have quality controlled the ticket. At some point somebody should have reviewed the ticket. The DA had NO reason to bring the case to court. Becuase there was ONE let me say that again ONE sentance in his written report about the my alleged traffic violations. One sentance - that was short it didn't included or meet the requirement of that code. My lawyer had to remind the officer why they write reports. Lesson learned -- get a good out of town lawyer and pay for his travel. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Shaker..Hardcorps..I have no doubt you believe in what you do and you are doing it to the best of your ability and maybe you are NOT the guys we are discussing here that seem to continually overstep bounds, look to set people up to commit a transgression or create a problem when there was no problem.....maybe you don't subscribe to the idea that you must drive revenue with your citation book, but I am sure you are evaluated on how many cases you open...how much property you confiscate..I am sure that if the general public were to use their right as citizens to randomly review the officers of their area's work evaluations..as they are public property and I have actually been paying for officers personnel files because it is legal to request and get that file if you pay the fee...they might be shocked at exactly what the state or county or city actually considers to be a good employee. Or the amount of hours of overtime that can be worked in uniform paid to the city or county by private organizations that the city or county gets a share of, how many hours in a week can a person work in your chosen profession before burnout makes them ineffective???? Ryker hits the nail on the head as to what it takes to fight that mighty pen...the money involved..are you paid to go to court? each and every time? If you are on your day off or over 40 hours are you paid overtime to go to court as we take off work and pay a lawyer?? I think what many people are frustrated with is the amount of power we have afforded the police, the amount of power that prosecuting attorneys and police have seized that we allowed or later condoned...the police shows on television that glorify the shredding of our constitution and try humanize a police officer as some sort of "rock star". To make the police accountable and prosecutable for the same things we are jailed and cited for is like getting congress to impose the laws they write on themselves...sexual harassment for the average american is the kiss of death for a career, for a congressman it is just a bit more publicity and a reason to go on the fund raising trail. Same for a cop in a way really, "courtesy" from one to another allows many things to happen that should not and allow many to get away with things WE as citizens would be arrested or cited for. ok..I think I am done for the time being.  | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Ryker, Again, I say it sounds like you got the shaft in your situation. Citizens do have rights! When I said "mine", I mean that it has been assigned to me and I am expected to conduct a thorough and UN-biased investigation. This includes no outside influences from "buddy patrolman" that may give you more "rights" than someone else. Had I been the Deputy in your case, it would have had a different outcome (in your favor) and you would not have needed to call your buddy patrolman. The court process here differs from that of Ga. If you choose to contest the citation, you; 1. Request a court date, 2. Show up for court on that date and appear before the traffic hearing officer or Judge. You can either; a) Plead no contest, receive no points on your license and pay a court fee or b) Have your case heard before the hearing officer or Judge and be at his/ her mercy. I don't like going to traffic court. I don't get paid overtime to be there, I get comp time (meaning I must take the time off some other time). As you can imagine, I am not going to waste time writing tickets that will drag me into court. I am not afraid to look in my law book. I would much rather let someone go, then write a bogus ticket or make a bogus arrest. Liquor, There are enough people that commit enough violations that I do NOT need to make things up. I do NOT issue citations to drive up the revenue. I am NOT specifically evaluated on the amount of cases I handle, nor by the amount of property I confiscate. My agency does NOT like to pay overtime and will regulate the amount of time worked. Police shows on television are entertainment. I am NOT going risk my career by violating someone's rights. | ||
| Ryker77 |
PaintShaker, you sound like a good honest cop. I applaud that. You guys deserve better pay. I've allways said that "good" LEO's who actually provided a service to the community deserve better pay. In the Marines we had (cough) methods of policing our own. Problems had a way of getting solved. Some LEA needs to better police themselves, all it takes is a few bad apples to give everybody a blackeye. And I agree that police shows on television really distort the truth about law enforcement. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Ryker, Thanks for the kind words. I in no way condone the actions of the bad seeds... Just as I do not like to hear the generalization of sportbikers being out of control, I don't wish to hear the same generalization of law enforcement. I know what you mean about problem solving in the Marines... Semper Fi Mac!! Unfortunately it just doesn't work well in the non-military world... | ||
| Liquorwhere |
There was a time that if I would have read this story I would have said it was impossible...not anymore.... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17647997/?GT1=9145 | ||
| Ryker77 |
Now that's a bit over the top. A 7 year old. But it looks like the failure is in the leadership of the Police Department. A zero-tolerance policy ties the hands of the officer on the scene. Officer's should have some leeway and be allowed to use common sense. I know of one LEA that requires there officers to have a saftey band on there pistols. At the end of each shift they have to show the saftey band and that they didn't pull there weapon during shift. If the pull there weapon they must write a report. Why not just hire and train good people instead of micromanging. |
