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Johnnymossville
| | Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 07:29 pm: | 
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Blake: well said. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 08:21 pm: |
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You're talking crap Blake. There are countless comments all over the BadWeB that praise the balls off Hayden winning the title. There are countless comments when trying to summarise the seasons events, given how spectacular it turned out and not withstanding the pit falls of both Hayden and Rossi, where phrases like 'taking nothing away from' or similar when speaking of Hayden post championship.
Please show me where the comments are that deride his achievements. Are there any? Fact is, you don't like Hayden been portrayed as the racer he really is. You'd rather him be elevated to some superstar status. DESPITE HOW GREAT HE WAS THIS PAST SEASON HE GOT LUCKY.
Rossi took five wins 2006.
Rossi took five poles 2006.
Rossi was knocked off in the first round but still finished 14th.
Rossi won round two after a great scrap with Hayden.
Rossi had chatter problems in round three in Istanbul. Starting from 11th and running off on lap 2, he still finished 4th and only .8 second behind Hayden in 3rd, who started from 2nd on the grid. Rossi also became the highest points scorer of all time.
Rossi's tyre chunked in round four - DNF. Hayden was beat by Pedrosa.
Rossi was 4.2 seconds in the lead on lap 20 when his engine blew in round five - DNF. Hayden got 5th.
Rossi won round six.
Rossi won round seven.
Rossi came home 8th in round eight, with a broken wrist sustained in the morning warm up. Hayden got his first win of the season, and only the second of his career and the first outside of America.
Rossi got 2nd at Donnington round 9. Hayden was 7th.
Rossi won round ten from 11th on the grid. Hayden got 3rd from third on the grid.
Rossi was plagued with cooling problems but was on course for a podium before retiring out of round eleven - DNF. Hayden dominated winning his second race of the season and a career third win, doing the 'double' on home turf.
Rossi was beaten into 2nd place by a magnificent Capirossi \ Ducati win at round twelve. Hayden lost his form finishing 9th.
Rossi beating Capirossi for the win on the last lap of round thirteen was one of the highlights of the season. Hayden battled home to 4th.
Rossi finished 3rd to Hayden's 5th in round fourteen.
Rossi got 2nd behind a fantastic Capirossi \ Ducati win at round fifteen. Hayden got 5th.
Rossi was beaten at the line by a winning Elias in round sixteen. Hayden cut across Pedrosa for a rare DNF.
Rossi couldn't explain why he crashed out on lap five of round seventeen. Hayden's first podium in six races was just enough to give him the title.
Does that read to you like a world class route to the title? Not a chance.
Keep it real people.
Rocket |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 08:23 pm: |
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I'd be a bit hesitant to quote a guy who ran the streets in leotards and had sex with little boys.
Oh I don't know. He was our best exponent of such antics.
Rocket |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 12:05 am: |
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Rocket, methinks ye cry patriotism too much.
The championship was decided in accordance with predetermined objective criteria. The man with the most points wins the championship, and is therefore the best rider for the season. These guys race for the championship, not individual race wins. The winner is elevated to the highest superstar status...there is none better.
You are the one bringing all of this subjective emotional stuff up with a litany of emotionally charged adjectives and adverbs. Psychologists call that projection: The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others.
Hayden cut across Pedrosa for a rare DNF.
Are you kidding...is that really the way you saw it? Give me a break! Sometimes you just sound downright anti-American...and after all that we have done for you guys in the past! If we hadn't come to your country's aid, you would be writing in German right now.
jimidan
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Vagelis46
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 01:36 am: |
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Let us all not forget Capirossi and Nakano.
Capirossi definately has 1 more year to give and amaze us with his agressive style.I hope he is the next champion.
Nakano.....It might be a year that takes him to the top at MotoGp, since he will have a competitive machine, riding a Honda. So far there was nothing he could do with the Kawa.
So, as you all suggest, Nicky was a good boy and said yes to HRC's suggestions for testing new parts while he was fighting for the title. What he achieved by doing this?
1. HRC's respect? But they did not seem to rate him, since while he was fighting for the title he had BIG proplems with the new clutch giving him bad starts and making him fade at the end of races. So an almost easy championsip turned out to be a great battle. And at the end everyone had Rossi as favourite. Also what was HRC thinking when Nicky was taken out by Pedrosa(with 1 race left), when he just needed a top6 finish to secure its title ? HRC said that we give no orders at the pits, and both our riders are free to fight for the win. Would they have said that when Doohan was riding, or Rossi? Or were they actually thinking that (HRC' favourite) Pedrosa had a more solid chance for the title(mathematical), and so told him to go for it instead of helping his teammate get the title for HRC after 2 years?
2. In some races compared to the guys running at the top Nicky looked AVERAGE. Remember Donnington ? Mammola clearly said it was the new parts he was testing that slowed him down.
I do not like HRC, I think Nicky is a good rider, but he made a bad carreer move staying with Honda. He should never give them the pleasure for a #1 plate on their bike.
Now , for me , Nicky is another HRC robot (just like Pedrosa).
He looks like a rider submitted to the Evil Empire, who simply cannot say no to them. |
Vagelis46
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 01:44 am: |
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Ten-Kate Honda is having traction control, HRC derived, this year at WSBK.
Lets all see what they will achieve.
But I do not see them standing a real chance against Ducati-Bayliss. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 02:38 am: |
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"You'd rather him be elevated to some superstar status."
Any MotoGP champion, especially the first one to beat Valentino Rossi in what, four years, is darn sure a superstar in my book.
It is simply bad form to belittle or diminish in any way Nick Hayden's accomplishment.
He's the man who beat Valentino Rossi to win the 2006 MotoGP Championship. Period. |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:21 am: |
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Nuff said. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:37 pm: |
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Anti-American?
Over the years some on BadWeB have given me the same bull shit about the WW2.
For several years whilst our garden gates and railings were cut down and melted back into tanks and bullets by our women folk, not to mention the aeroplanes they built, us Brit's relied heavily upon our North Atlantic Fleet bringing us goods and materials from America. Many of our merchant seamen died alongside our naval personnel whilst America refused to get involved in the war in Europe. The cost of those goods we purchased from America some say we are still paying the debt off today.
Only after Pearl Harbour did America finally get involved in Europe. Montgomery had beat Rommel and his Panzer Tanks in the desert of North Africa and the Americans moaned because Monty wanted the glory in Sicily.
After the Normandy landings, in which Monty was given the toughest of all approaches the Americans again moaned about Montys slow progress whilst they went around the relatively flat farmlands of NW Normandy. Monty meanwhile had a battle royal at Le Havre eventually marching south over rough terrain in an effort to meat the American forces who'd turned east and then north forming a circle around the German army. The circle was to be closed at the Felise Gap. 150000 Germans were caught inside the trap, and surrendered, only for 50000 of them to escape. The Americans blamed Monty but what the Americans never took into account was Monty had fought a hard route to Felise. Not only that but Monty and his men had fought and won many great battles since 1939. They were battle hardened as well as battle weary. If ever you need to know how much so the story of 45 Commando and how it was formed during WW2 will leave you in no doubt. The Americans might have had the war won for us, but that will never tell the whole story and how very very hard my grandfathers and great uncles fought for our great land.
Put it another way. Without Einstein and Oppenheimer and Braun and god knows whoever else the Americans got the pick of the bunch of, America wouldn't be the super power she is today. Russia would.
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Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:44 pm: |
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Blake, that was my point. No one here has diminished Hayden's achievement. His achievement however is not all his doing. Thus the statistics show that Rossi was UNDOUBTEDLY the fastest guy out their all season, and the guy the rode the best.
But forget that. Just ask yourself this one simple question.
Despite Hayden winning the championship did he actually show himself as the best rider of 2006? Here's something for you to consider too. Was there one race all season where Hayden out rode Rossi, with the exception of the last race at Valencia?
Rocket |
Johnnymossville
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:48 pm: |
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Nice to see you are a true patriot after-all Rocket.  Personally I don't find you Anti-American, You do own a Buell after-all, Now, that thing about beating Rossi on your favorite patch of asphalt? Dunno.
My dad was collecting tin foil and and scrap metal when he was 5 years old also Rocket and I'm grateful the UK and the USA are on the same side for the most part.
Johnny Mossville. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 08:27 pm: |
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Sean,
I'm right there with you on the WW-II issue. I don't like it at all when haughty Americans seek to hold that over the head of any Brit. The Brits are one Bad Ass fighting folk. The Brits ROCK!
Did you mention radar? Y'all pioneered that too.
What I don't understand is your and other's need to try to diminish--yes you are doing it again in your post above--Nick Hayden's accomplishment. It is VERY poor form and sour grapes in my view. |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 09:40 pm: |
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And in a thinly veiled anti-American tone...how else can you explain it? Nice WWII story Rocket, I saw that movie too...but that really is irrelevant, just as my comment about it was too.
America is not perfect, and Americans are not superior to the rest of the world. It has been a while since Kenny Jr. won the MotoGP title, so it is not like we are dominating the sport.
But it is obvious that you are trying to diminish young Nicky's ultimate accomplishment over and over again, with little substantive issues offered. Nicky would still be the best rider in the World if he was from Kazakhstan, and our arguments would be the same. He got the most points, was declared the champion and he has the number 1 plate...facts that you keep omitting. You might as well try and get used to it as you will be seeing it on his bike all next year...at least. All of this other mumbo jumbo about who was fastest in this race or that, is just irrelevant.
I wonder what your arguments would be if he had been from Liverpool instead of Owensboro, KY, and someone else was making similar irrelevant and arguments. I will bet that you'd be signing a much different tune, by the way you crow over the Brit racers. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:55 pm: |
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I am in no way diminishing Hayden's championship victory. He's one of the best riders in the world. I was merely pointing out that Rossi was the best rider of the season as told in MCN UK's season review. I offered the quote in reference to Hayden's use of experimental parts this last season as perhaps part of the explanation as to why Hayden's achievement race by race don't appear to have been as strong as Rossi's despite him winning the title. And I did say I didn't want to debate this. I knew there'd be a Pro-American backlash.
Now let's be friends and I'll tell you a rather funny story regarding the Normandy assault and a Bueller. Deal?
Rocket |
Davegess
| | Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 02:02 pm: |
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No doubt Rossi is the best of the current riders. Maybe the best ever. Hayden beat him once, that is great accomplishment. O f all th eguys trying for the last 6 years only one has done it. It took a great rider, luck and good strategy to pull it off.
2007 will be interesting to say the least. |
Sinatra
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 07:40 pm: |
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is everyone forgetting capirossi this o6 season,...?????? what if he was healthy all year? i believe he would have, as long as rossi still would have had the dnfs......snicker snicker haha |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 09:27 pm: |
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Capirossi was mentioned several times, and yes he could have won the title last season.
Hayden v Rossi is what it came down to, and that's the controversy. More so when you consider the penultimate round incident, and Rossi ditching in the last round.
Rocket |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 12:13 pm: |
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Davegess sez:
No doubt Rossi is the best of the current riders. Maybe the best ever. Hayden beat him once, that is great accomplishment. O f all th eguys trying for the last 6 years only one has done it. It took a great rider, luck and good strategy to pull it off.
Which is what racing is ALWAYS all about, isn't it. Nothing unusual here, boss!
Sinatra snickers:
is everyone forgetting capirossi this o6 season,...?????? what if he was healthy all year? i believe he would have, as long as rossi still would have had the dnfs......snicker snicker haha
And what if I had twelve inches and a billion dollars...
and Rocket spews:
Hayden v Rossi is what it came down to, and that's the controversy. More so when you consider the penultimate round incident, and Rossi ditching in the last round.
The only "controversy" is in your wishful thinking head. There is NO controversy...Hayden was the winner.} |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 02:25 pm: |
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Sorry, I should have said 'WAS' not 'IS' the controversy.
Yes, Hayden was the winner.
Rocket |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 02:43 pm: |
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There's a funny quote from Hayden on this very subject on the MotoGP website. |
Buell2001b
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 09:57 pm: |
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this is not a HONDA site |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:55 pm: |
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Buell2001b blurts:
this is not a HONDA site
A very astute observation, my good fellow...you have an unusual talent for the extremely obvious. Is that all there is?
jimidan
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Jimidan
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 01:06 pm: |
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Rocketman sez:
"Sorry, I should have said 'WAS' not 'IS' the controversy.
There never 'was' any controversy either. Hayden was always the winner as of the end of the last race.
jimidan |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 04:11 pm: |
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There was a stack of controversy all season.
What would you settle for Jimidan? My blood?
Rocket |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 05:09 pm: |
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I don't recall any controversy. What are you talking about? |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 10:43 pm: |
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I assume you won't see it as controversy as that would suggest Hayden didn't win the title fair and square. Though that was not the point of my original comment.
Sometimes one can't do right for doing wrong. Ah well.
Rocket |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 12:12 am: |
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No blood...just explain yourself. What controversy (that is not in your own wishful thinking head)?
jimi |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 06:29 am: |
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How about the one between Hayden and Honda over the use of 'new' parts, which Hayden complained were holding back his chances of better placings. The clutch in particular, he described as like a switch offering little control off the start thus losing him important ground from the off, whilst his team mate and other Honda riders were not suffering the same problems with their tried and tested clutches. Was Hayden's sentiment towards Hondas practices not controversial enough?
Funny how when Biaggi made such claims about his bikes woes, controversy abounded.
You can't handle the truth.
Rocket |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 11:52 am: |
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Is that all you got, Rocket? |
Buell2001b
| | Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 12:47 pm: |
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why do we waste talking about honda on this webpage. to bad they can't have a Honda beat a Ford GT. |
Jscott
| | Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 01:09 pm: |
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Hey Buell2001b, I thought you might be interested in this news...
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Feb/070201c.ht m |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 01:35 pm: |
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buell2001b sez:
why do we waste talking about honda on this webpage. to bad they can't have a Honda beat a Ford GT.
Now that is bit obtuse. Maybe you haven't been paying much attention to current events, but there ain't much going on with Buell road racing right now (in comparison to about this time last year...this joint was jumpin'!), so what else are we supposed to talk about in this thread?
jimidan |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 04:36 pm: |
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>>>why do we waste talking about honda on this webpage. to bad they can't have a Honda beat a Ford GT.
Dude. . . deal with it.
You understand why cable has 734 channels, right? |
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