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Vonsliek
Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anyone know of successful TRACK bike specials made from large dirt engines coupled to custom track frames & susp'n ..

maybe keep/modify dirt swing arm ..

been thinking of building a special based on a 400-500cc 2 stroke .. ok ,, might be talking out of my arse, but am bsessed w/ 500cc gp type bikes ..

i like building & love unusual .. i am certain this isn't so unusual .. i know of the snowmobile motor special that F1 doctor made ..

what i wanna know is if it is a relatively easy monster or, if i am likely to have certain problems w/ handling re: stock/braced swingarm??

paul.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Relatively easy but if you're racing, you may be limiting the number of classes you can enter.

Usually in most clubs, these type bikes can ONLY enter one class - whereas production bikes can usually enter two or 3 classes.

HOWEVER... I've lusted after Bare Bones work - stuffing Rotax into a TZ chassis for a LONG TIME:

http://www.barebones.net/
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Vonsliek
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

precisely steve .. ahhh .. wonderful stuff .. i LOVE these superMONO things .. read abt them .. learnt to ride on the blast!


something beautiful abt an overworked single ..

thanks for the link .. : )

it was an idea i had purely for the fun of an anything goes kind of build where the only place i COULD ride it would be track days! : )

right on!
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 04:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Europe and the UK have superb Supermono race series with most bikes using dirt bike based engines such as CRF450/YZF450 motors for the minimonos and XT660 based motors for the larger ones. IT is probably the most innovative race format outside of GP racing because pretty much anything goes : )

Tigcraft are probably the best know of the chassis makers. There web site is at http://www.tigcraft.com/

Or here for the British Supermono Association to see more bikes : )
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/scott_racer99/mono_bi kes.htm
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Vonsliek
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 04:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

beautiful stuff .. so simple & elegant ..

i read that the rules are almost like gp .. so cool!

thanks matt.
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Mmelvis
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CCS SUPER Bike Classes
Frame and engine cases must be from a production, street use
motorcycle, except for single cylinder motorcycles, which may use
any frame or engine.

ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT SUPERBIKE
LIGHTWEIGHT SUPERBIKE
MIDDLEWEIGHT SUPERBIKE
HEAVYWEIGHT SUPERBIKE
UNLIMITED SUPERBIKE

THUNDERBIKE
A. Frame, cylinder head(s) and engine cases must be from the same
production model motorcycle. Single cylinder motorcycles may use
any frame and engine.

GT
GTO - (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Unlimited Displacement
GTU - (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Displacement as per Middleweight SuperBike
GT Lights – (Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Displacement as per Lightweight SuperBike
Note: Purpose built road race machinery such as Yamahas TZ 250, Honda's
RS 250, etc. are excluded from GT Lights. 125cc two-stroke GP machines are
eligible for GT Lights.

FORMULA FORTY if you are old enough

There are many classes available for a thumper to run in.
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most Supermono bikes struggle to meet the Thunderbike power/weight ratio limits and stay competitive. We tried to encourage Supermonos into the UK Thunderbike series but they were miles out and needed so much lead ballast it unfortunately made them uncompetitive.

Still plenty of other classes to run in though : )
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who (in the US) hasn't lusted after a 500cc or greater 2 stroke in a sport chassis?

As a one-off custom it could be built in probably 49 states (Kalifornians need not apply)
as a street bike that you could race occassionally as well

I love the smell of 2-stroke smoke in the morning...when it's being produced by a machine
that is begging me to go way too fast on gnarly pavement (or dirt) and is super light weight.
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Vagelis46
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cagiva is thinking of introducing the Mito powered with the 510cc single-cylinder engine from their Husqvarna dirtbike. This will make 50rwhp at 135kg. Not bad..... and the style is like a Ducati 916. The bike was introduced at Milano show, so that Cagiva can get some feedback from the public and make up their minds if there is a market segment for it. I think they got a good reaction and it was voted as one of the best looking bikes of the show. So maybe they will actually manufacture it.

Also there were rumors that Aprilia considers using its V-2 550cc engine that drives their new dirtbikes, to create a new RS to replace the 2-stroke RS250. The RWHP of this engine is 70hp ....... and if the new bike keeps the cornering potential of the RS250 that would be a something....
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Jscott
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Said Mito...Sexy...

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Shazam
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the first thing I thought of when you posted....not exactly what you're trying to do, but cool as hell.

http://www.thebeachcruiser.com/blog/2006/12/12/rog er-goldammers-bike-against-a-bonneville-sunset.htm l
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Cagiva Mito is HOT! but the pillion seat and pegs would have to go.

BTW Tamburini rocks. He has designed some of the sexiest bikes ever.
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Trojan
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pity it hasn't got a 500cc two stroke motor in the Mito though....Now that would be fun : ) Where did I put that CR500 and Aprilia 125 chassis?
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is PURE PORN! : D
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Vonsliek
Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MITO my love .. where fore art thou?! ;P

now THAT is something worth getting in the shed .. i'd ditch the tail for the r6's new tail .. THEN fellahs, we have a motogp clone!

thanks for that post!!

this is actually been my favourite thread on BWB!
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Buellshyter
Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Mito is at the International Motorcycle Show making it's way around the country.
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