| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
This just in from HRC: HONDA RACING INFORMATION | ||
| Jammer |
I bet, There's a Pinto sized muffler under that cowling.  | ||
| Eboos |
Damn, Pedrosa even looks cramped on that bike. | ||
| M1combat |
"I could touch my knees with my elbows while sitting on the bike and that's something I cannot do now with the RC211V. This is helpful when you ride a race bike. " Why? | ||
| Diablobrian |
Resting in full-tuck on the long straights I'd guess. Being a tall guy I've been able to do that on every sport bike I've ever owned, with the possible exception of my 84 VF1000F, ironically a v4 honda. (Message edited by diablobrian on October 31, 2006) | ||
| Trojan |
"I could touch my knees with my elbows while sitting on the bike and that's something I cannot do now with the RC211V. This is helpful when you ride a race bike. " 'I can also stick my head up my arse when approaching corners, which I have perfected this season. This is helpful when ramming my team mate'  (Message edited by trojan on October 31, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
"I bet, There's a Pinto sized muffler under that cowling. " Mufflers on MotoGP bikes would be a new development for 2007; they've been mostly running straight pipes for the past, what, four years? Matt, Classic! That is one for posterity.  I think being able to move around a lot on a racing machine is advantageous; the ability to move farther forward for instance would help acceleration by reducing the tendency to wheelie. | ||
| 12r |
The overall dimensions are not dissimilar to a Firebolt...  | ||
| Jimidan |
If it fits Dani, wouldn't it follow that it will cramp Nicky and others? Who did Honda build this bike for? jimidan | ||
| 12r |
According to http://www.honda-racing.co.uk/twowheels/motogp/bik e/index.asp the RC212V is almost exactly the same size as an RC211V. Inscrutable. | ||
| Blake |
Jimi, Pretty sure that Nicky will get his own ergonomically optimized version with more rearward seat area and custom tailored foot-peg, clip-on setups. In fact, if you look at the pic with Dani, you can see that his seat backing has alot of added padding compared to that shown in the photo of Nicky above.. | ||
| Diablobrian |
How 'bout that #1 on the hugger? Does that look good or what? | ||
| Vonsliek |
if u look carefully u can see that pedrosa has a LOT of foam on the seat COWL facing his ass .. then look at hayden's bike .. he has WAY less & in the shot above, is only posing, so is not putting his ass back to the cowl, which is a good 6-8" back. pedrosa is gonna win in '07 .. as much as i like nicky .. i wish him all the best & i hope he races in 07 how he raced in valencia, when he flew off aggressively & nearly knocked rossi off his bike - which MUST have affected rossi's emotion & hence lack of focus leading to crash .. yadda yadda .. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
I hope for 2007 Ducati finally makes it all the way to the title, and the great Loris Capirossi gets his first well deserved MotoGP championship. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Also I would like to see how this bike ,that is not developed by Valentino Rossi and Jeremy Burgess, will perform. Honda might get well beaten this time......At least I hope so | ||
| Jimidan |
Vagelis46 sez: Also I would like to see how this bike ,that is not developed by Valentino Rossi and Jeremy Burgess, will perform." Rossi hasn't been on the bike in 2 years...come on! Nicky was the development rider for the 211 during that time. Got a bug up your arse, or did you just wake up in a poopy mood. jimidan (Message edited by jimidan on January 04, 2007) | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Come-on Jimi, no disrespect to Nicky, I actually like his dirt-track style......and actually I rather see him winning than Pedrosa. But he is not the same class as Valentino... I actually do not rate HRC that much. I want to see how good the bike they develop is, when they do not get feedback from the top rider&engineer in the class. Look at Honda at WSBK, they are not doing great lately, do they? | ||
| Vagelis46 |
And, I was also surprised when Nicky turned down the offer from Ducati, and decided to stay with the Evil Empire..... Despite HRC tried to f*** all his hard work, all through these years, by giving him new unproven parts to test so that their "prodigy" Pedrosa has an advantage next year with the 800cc. They never thought he had a title chance. Remember the clutch problems he had ? Remember Donnigton? Once again HRC showed their dark side throughout the year. So I was disappointed by Nicky's phobia, thinking that leaving HRC will be the wrong move......He should have been more brave. It was Ducati's offer he turned down, not Ilmor's, not even Kawa's. We all know what Vale would do, right? | ||
| Jimidan |
Vagelis sez: Come-on Jimi, no disrespect to Nicky, I actually like his dirt-track style......and actually I rather see him winning than Pedrosa. But he is not the same class as Valentino... I actually do not rate HRC that much. I want to see how good the bike they develop is, when they do not get feedback from the top rider&engineer in the class. I think it is disrespectful to fail to acknowledge Nicky's two years of development to the 211, saying instead that he was just riding Rossi's two year old bike. If you think Nicky rides his MotoGP bike like a dirt tracker, you obviously haven't seen him ride on the dirt. Nicky is in the very elite class with Rossi, and given a couple of more years so will Pedrosa. You don't win the championship and not be in the same class as the best riders. HRC is in that class too.} | ||
| Rocketman |
Hayden has said recently about his use of new parts throughout the season, that he was asked by Hondas chairman and decided to honour the request. Rossi was undoubtedly the best rider again last season. More wins etc etc (let's not argue this please - I took the quote from MCN 's season review)but Honda and Hayden, despite those new parts still achieved consistency to the finish, and with two wins. From reading Hayden I'd say he's got a lot of respect from Honda for his efforts. As for Honda in WSB. Toseland came second in the championship on Ten Kate's Honda, which is a very poor showing??? Poor enough for Toesland to turn down a Moto GP ride and have another crack at WSB on the Honda this season. Rocket | ||
| Trojan |
Hayden may have had to test and use new parts, but remember they may also have been better parts than the rest of the Honda riders got (that is certainly the impression given by Melandri, Pedrosa and others). It has always been the lead riders role to develop new parts for the factory bikes. That is one factor that has laways given factory teams the advantage over the 'customer' teams. Rossi also spent most of 2006 developing new parts for the Yamaha, including more than one new frame. James Toselands showing in WSB was probably more impressive than the HRC MotoGP effort (not to take anything away from Hayden), given that Ten Kate is not even running HRC bikes, but (heavily) converted showroom Fireblades using parts developed by the team themselves. Toseland didn't even have traction control for most of last season. | ||
| Jimidan |
I like the way you guys put it: Nicky Hayden's mother is a skanky ho who would screw a snake if she could get it to keep it's head still (no disrespect to Nicky). As you see, the disclaimer really doesn't quite counteract the damage done in the statement. | ||
| Jimidan |
Rocket sez: Rossi was undoubtedly the best rider again last season. More wins etc etc (let's not argue this please - I took the quote from MCN 's season review)but Honda and Hayden, despite those new parts still achieved consistency to the finish, and with two wins. I really don't care what MCN says about Rossi's 'undoubted' superiority over Hayden. The fact that Rossi had more race wins could have been more of a product of the way Hayden's early season points lead presented itself. As Kenny Roberts said, "As far as I am concerned, Nicky did a great job. He had a tremendous amount of pressure on him all year. Starting out with a huge points lead is awful...". Nicky's strategy was much different in protecting that lead, since he didn't need race wins to do it. "Schwantz said he'd heard the post season criticism about Nicky only winning two races during the year, and only leading 29 laps. "It is all a crock of shit," Kevin said. "Hey, it doesn't matter. The #1 plate says world champion, and that's all he needs to worry about. There will be a million different ways people dissect it. 'Oh, he doesn't deserve it. Rossi had bad luck.' The truth is, if I've got more points than everybody else, I win." A lot of folks on here and elsewhere have said that before, but when you have won the world championship yourself, it carry's added value. And realistically, when it came down to nut-cutting time, Hayden delivered and Rossi cracked under the pressure (no disrespect to Rossi). Rossi is probably the greatest of all time, but last year was Nicky's, and nobody can take that away from him. | ||
| Blake |
Nicky Hayden 2006 MotoGP World Champion! | ||
| Rocketman |
Jimidam sez: The fact that Rossi had more race wins could have been more of a product of the way Hayden's early season points lead presented itself. You're saying Hayden had an early season points lead, which some how means Rossi had more wins in the entire season? And Jimi, your comments reflect more your own feelings about how you really see Hayden, as it is you that said "Rossi's 'undoubted' superiority", not MCN. MCN said Rossi was undoubtedly the best rider of the season. Frankly I think that's pretty obvious to anyone given his brilliant race to the finish. Hayden on the other hand had some good and great races, but some were pretty lacklustre for a top factory rider. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake, we are trying to discuss the merits of Honda's race effort and how that played out with Hayden their top test pilot. As in most threads when Hayden appears to be shown as anything less than superb, there is the ridiculous fever pitch patriotism that interrupts the flow of conversation sometimes to the point of goading for an argument. What is the purpose of such stupidity when we all know Hayden deserved his title regardless of whether he won less races than Rossi or wasn't the best rider of the season? Does it serve any purpose putting up that bold text other than to distract or disrupt the other issues discussed? Or are we going to go around all year arguing the merits of Hayden's achievements. Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde Rocket | ||
| Trojan |
The spotlight will be on Nicky Hayden in 2007 even brighter than it was in 2006. This season is a whole new ball game and all the teams start from a level playing field for once. It is already obvious that the new bikes favour a 250 style of riding much more than the old 'point and squirt' 990 machines, and I think Nicky will have to change his style pretty quickly if he is to keep in touch in the early races. It will certainly be a test of his mettle and will show his world champion creditentials if he can do it. I would certainly expect some of the lesser known riders to shine on the new bikes andgive the established top 5 a run for their money. Melandri, Hopkins, Stoner and Vermulen all look good in pre-season, not to mention Pedrosa and Rossi. I can't see Edwards or Checa making an impact and would expect this to be their final season at the top. | ||
| Johnnymossville |
-- Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wilde Rocket --- I'd be a bit hesitant to quote a guy who ran the streets in leotards and had sex with little boys. But more to the point..... Rossi might be the "best rider" but he wasn't the best rider of the season, period. Hayden was and has the title to show for it. I do think Hayden will have trouble repeating with the lower power 800's though, even if their lap times are the same or better than last year's bikes. | ||
| Court |
>>>>I'd be a bit hesitant to quote a guy who ran the streets in leotards and had sex with little boys. Rocket did not run the streets. . he just danced on a table in a skirt.  | ||
| Blake |
If Rossi is the better rider but Nick won the championship, then it follows that Nick did a better job of developing his Honda racing machine than Rossi did his Yamaha. being able to finish a race without the engine going or without crashing out is a good thing. The machine and its support crew do count too. It ain't all rider. Rocket, you got it backwards mate. Why do you and others seem to take such offense at the mere statement of fact, that Nick Hayden is 2006 MotoGP World Champion? This in answer to those deriding his accomplishment. It has NOTHING to do with patriotism. If the situation were different, I'd be defending Capirossi or whoever had managed to win the championship but was being derided as somehow not quite up to top level as another rider. That's bullshit bro. |
