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Bigblock
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 01:56 am: | 
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Midknyte
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 05:38 pm: |
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I wonder...if those panels will see any service on a tracked/raced R as number plates |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 08:59 pm: |
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I am bewildered by the unkindness of some here. Here we are 8 months distant from a true new model year offering by Buell Motorcycle Company, yet some people are acting as if a new incarnation of the Buell Lightning was meant to be the be-all end-all of American sport bikes for 2008. Good grief. I guess some folks like to hear themselve gripe. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 09:41 pm: |
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I would love to see an alternative front suspension on the 08 Buells.
Kind of like what Britten or BMW have done. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Why does anyone feel the need for a sixth gear? I can't understand why you would think it is NEEDED. I rarely use fifth, only on the highway.
I'll tell you why. Because here in California (the center of the universe, origin of all civilization) the unofficial speed limit on the highway is 90mph.
I don't know about you, but when I'm cruising up to Mom's house for dinner I don't like slabbing it at 4300rpm. I would rather be around 3500.
That's why. Some of us commute, and keeping the bike way up in the powerband is not necessary for getting to work. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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Blake, while I agree with you that some of the negative rhetoric has been, shall we say, a BIT over the top...
...all the secrecy, and hushed whispers around this latest "model" release really led a lot of us to believe that something great was coming. We've all been ready for some kind of innovation beyond what we already all own.
Yes, the bikes are innovative, they have been since they came out.... years ago. But honestly, to slap the public in the face with this thing was sort of insulting. If they had just offered the new features as options on an XBS model without all the fanfare then it probably would not have met with such discord. There are some people who like it. From everything I've read and heard, they are few and far between.
It's an S with a bit more suspension and rake, and some plastic panels slapped on the sides. Nothing more. It's way too hyped up and it was a let down for most. Simple as that.
I understand the need for the die hard supporters to talk this thing up, but the reality is that the majority of people look at it, in the context in which it was presented, and just have trouble keeping the bile down.
Myself included. Sorry. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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Pony... Everything you say is quite obvious...
If YOU had huge expectations about a new model then your disappointment is on YOU  .
I hadn't been on the web looking around for stuff for a while and one day I stop by the BadWeb and see that Buell released another version...
Life was good...
I honestly can't see anyones point with the gnashing of teeth over this. So it's not a "new" bike as such... So what...
Why don't "I" see it as a let down? Because I had no expectations... Even if I had, I wouldn't have been let down because it's not the right time of year for a "new" bike.
It's wrong, plain and simple, to bash Buell for making another version of the XB. It'll appeal to some, it won't appeal to others. Make your decision about which camp your in and let it be. Is it really that big of a deal? No, it isn't. So....
quitcherbitchin.
Sorry to dump on you specifically but it really gets old when people's expectations, ones that they themselves built up, get let down and they feel like they've gotta go on a rant fest.
You know what this bike tells me?
It tells me that the engineers are most likely working on projects that actually require a bit of engineering... That's a good thing . |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:15 pm: |
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Matt,
What "secrecy and hushed whispers"? Did I miss something? I heard about something new to be announced at the Milan show about a week or two ago. Oh the drama! Please. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:27 pm: |
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Blake: All the rumbling about how people lose their jobs when they leak something... you can't tell me you missed that. I agree the drama is way out of proportion, especially for such a nothing.
M1: I'm an observer in this. My opinion is the bike is super-fugly. It's actually a great bike, in the sense that it's the same bike. But there are many here who have been playing up the "facts" surround it and other models, regarding sales figures, etc. And if it wasn't supposed to be a big deal, why release it in Milan...? I'm not really disappointed personally other than the fact that everywhere I look Buell is getting slammed over this thing. I love my bike, but to be honest I never considered buying a Buell until the 2004 model year. Personally I always thought tubers were ugly too. But the S3T has grown on me, since I've entered the Buellosphere and have been exposed to more of the bikes. I still think most tubers are ugly as can be. Ugly doesn't mean it isn't cool. Hell if that were true I wouldn't have any friends at all. |
Kdan
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 02:04 am: |
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Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. Personally, I could give a shit. I like the damn bike. Go ride. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 03:40 am: |
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Why release it in Milan?
Maybe because Erik was going to be there for part of the "American market" talks for the manufacturers?
Seems like a logical bit to me, if you are going to have him at the Milan show, and you have a bike ready for mid-year
release why not combine the two?
That, plus the 100,000th Buell have put Buell in the trade headlines and increased brand awareness at the very least.
Even if the people that already own Buells are a little (or a lot  ) disappointed it's about making more people aware
that Buell is in the marketplace building motorcycle that are fun to ride. |
Mrh
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 05:40 am: |
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The white plastic as a blank canvas for owners to use for self expression, along with the contest, is brilliant in my estimation. If this bike had been available 6 months ago I would have bought it immediately over my Long. And no, I would not have kept the side plates on. Obviously most can't seem to get past those plastic panels.
The Lightning line of bikes has been a great basis for numerous iterations. Some I like, some I don't. I've so far been impressed by Buell and company for having the balls to produce and market a bike such as this, and hope there are many more to follow.
I've tried to read every thread on this board concerning this new release, and have been both entertained and appalled by the many comments. Kinda like watching Jerry Springer When BMC finally releases the XBRR repliracer to the masses I look forward to the entertainment to follow.
Like Buckinfubba used to say...just get on your bad motor scooter and ride |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 12:26 pm: |
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I'm not really disappointed personally other than the fact that everywhere I look Buell is getting slammed over this thing.
Pwnzor, welcome to the 21st century! None of em get talked up good enough to make us feel content (er, vindicated?).
What "secrecy and hushed whispers"? Did I miss something? I heard about something new to be announced at the Milan show about a week or two ago. Oh the drama! Please.
I'm paddleing in the same boat on this one. The only rumors where the standard rhetoric here on badweb. We're a frothy, hungry lot. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 03:14 pm: |
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The only rumors where the standard rhetoric here on badweb. We're a frothy, hungry lot.
True that. All kinds of crap gets thrown around here, and that's exactly what most of it is... crap.
And when Mr. Anonymous chimes in with stuff like "I just got back from a Buell party in Milan"... are we supposed to believe that Erik Buell would hide behind the Anonymous moniker? Especially since that particular message contained zero "classified" information. Or perhaps we are meant to believe that someone on this board attended that event with Erik, and is somehow sworn to secrecy? Maybe we're intended to believe that it was a certain person in particular who knows Erik and has the inside scoop on pretty much everything?
oh, the drama is right.
Erik is a guy who makes motorcycles. He's not the King of Earth, all surrounded by secret service agents or anything like that. I've never met him, but I bet if I walked up and said "hi" and that I admired his work as a whole, he'd chat with me, like anyone else, if he had the time to do so.
He's just a man, and even never having met him I think higher of him than someone who might hide his identity for any reason. If he wants to say something, I think he's just going to go right on and say it. If he wants to keep quiet, he'll do just that.
If I'm wrong, perhaps Anonymous will correct me. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 03:29 pm: |
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I'm pretty sure Erik frequents the board. If he does choose to chime in I'd bet he has
a nome-de-plume that he would post under for general bits. I would expect him to only
use the anonymous feature for statements that are important but can't come from an official
source which should be very rare.
In fact I saw a bit of recognition dawn in the eyes of several people at the factory when
I identified myself by my badweb handle. Of course for the most part BMC employees do
not post on here because it is far too easy to let something slip that could endanger
your job as a passing remark that some of our pundits grab hold of and dissect. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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I think that Erik is, by corporate policy, not suposed to be posting on these boards. Sometimes he may post sometime he may not. No way of knowing if anyone is Erik or anyone else form the factory. |
Buellshyter
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 09:19 pm: |
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Here we are 8 months distant from a true new model year offering by Buell Motorcycle Company,
You're leaking, Blake..LOL |
Sinatra
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 09:23 pm: |
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i bet stunters will eat this TT up.....12 bar and a cage its all set...looks damn good on top of that.......the european stunt crowd will love it..i guarantee it......... |
Skully
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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I wonder...if those panels will see any service on a tracked/raced R as number plates
I plan to have a set on my XB9S in time for next season
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Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 05:56 pm: |
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I think the "number Plates" will hide my bag mounting brackets when the bags are stripped off. I do get tired of stripping the whole set-up off of the bike. |
Midknyte
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I plan to have a set on my XB9S in time for next season
and when you do, pictures please |
Brineusaf
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:28 am: |
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Erik is a guy who makes motorcycles. He's not the King of Earth, all surrounded by secret service agents or anything like that.
"That is an incorrect statement"
He might not be king, but as the all greatness over humanity, he has the right to appoint the king!
Careful... saying Erik isn't king is blasphemy on here. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 10:53 am: |
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Diablobrian, I think you might be surprised to know how many people have heard of you. You're kind of a celebrity in some ways.
Even if they don't remember your name, it's "that guy with the badass XB9R with the pushbutton shifter and full fairings." |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, November 20, 2006 - 11:54 pm: |
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Rick (Buellshyter),
"You're leaking, Blake..LOL"
Nothing so interesting, and an impossibility really as I truly know nothing about what Buell may or may not have on the drawing board for release next July. July is just the typical date for Buell's (and Harley-Davidson's) annual major new model introduction. Sorry to disappoint. 
This is for Brine from Blake:
Erik isn't king, or God, or infallible, or deserving of worship, or beyond thoughtful criticism here. That's no blasphemy. He does however warrant the equal measure of respect that everyone else here is shown.
Those intent upon badmouthing/disrespecting others, will need to do so elsewhere than on BadWeB. We really try to foster a positive decorum here, not one where folks feel inclined to be mean, sniping or hateful. We just don't put up with such miserableness around here. I don't think you really want to be spreading miserablness either, do you? Sniping comments and repeated indignant false interjections may seem like good fun, but they damage the integrity and decorum of the community here, and we'd really rather avoid that. The custodians here would be most appreciative if everyone could help us out with that or at least avoid being unhelpful.
Thanks,
Blake
Matt (Pwnzor),
I agree, Matt is well-known in the Buell community. We're extremely lucky to have him! |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 12:37 am: |
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I'm no celebrity, just a guy trying to get by as best he can with what he's got.
My bike is the celebrity  |
Kowpow225
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 08:42 pm: |
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Variety is great and I'm glad to see Buell expanding but this latest move seems to dilute the XB line rather than improve on it. I think that's all the 'complainers' are getting at.
I agree the positive demeanor of the site should remain a priority....that's what keeps me coming back. |
Bartimus
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 11:57 pm: |
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My personal opinon: The bike is ugly as sin, but I also think the Uly is Ugly also.
That being said, I DO see alot of potential for the bike.
The chassis is VERY much like the SS (or "long") The numbers show it to have a slightly longer wheelbase, a more relaxed rake, and trail, and a bit more suspension.
These are all things we want in a touring bike.
I never once thought of the Ugly as a replacement for the S3. I wouldn't want a bike that tall, and after riding S2's for 10 years I really like the looks, and protection offered by the fairing.
IMHO i think this TT is just a rolling test bed, the plastics are just covering up what Buell has up it's sleeve. The sport tourer we are all crying for.
I have been looking seriously at the Long, wanting to add it to my stable of Buells, but I want something in the XB platform that will let me give my S2's a rest. My city-X is a great bike, handles like a dream. But it doesn't have the power, or wind protection of my favorite S2.
I think that the chassis is alot closer to what we are wanting in a sport tourer, now we just need to get the ergos down, and then the body work.
After that, I'm sure some sharp badwebber will figure out how to bolt a set of S3 saddlebags onto one without interfering with the passenger. |
Ray_r
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 02:02 pm: |
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Just for the sake of argument, which there seems to be plenty of here, the Ducati Hypermotard is just a Multistrada with different body parts. |
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