| Author | Message | ||
     Davegess |
Pretty impressive debut for the Ilmor GP bike. Not th eslowest bike in practice, actually moving up the time sheets and running without problems. It would be very impressive to finish on Sunday. | ||
| Moboy516 |
Go McCoy!!! Does anyone know if Garry has been signed for the 2007 season yet? | ||
| Rocketman |
Not heard of such but Barros is in the frame for an Ilmor seat. I heard that Troy Freakin Frankenfurter might be too. Rocket | ||
| Trojan |
I thought I had read that McCoy had signed already for next year with Ilmor. Others mentioned for the ride were Haslam, Barros, Biaggi (He'll be busy next year then!)and various other rumours not worth mentioning  | ||
| Blake |
Friday's Best Combined Practice Times: That does look promising! Go Gary!  | ||
| Eboos |
It's amazing the level of talent that these guys have. Out of 20 people, the best and worst were only seperated by 4 seconds. | ||
| Blake |
FIM MotoGP World Championship Friggin' Rossi. This is going to be interesting. Go Nicky! I predict Nicky will get past Colin on the start. After that, who knows. (Message edited by blake on October 14, 2006) | ||
| Moboy516 |
Getting past anyone going into the first corner could depend on whether HRC will let Nicky use Dani's clutch. Nicky's starts have been less that desirable lately. that whole clutch problem is kind of baffling to me. Why would HRC endanger Nicky's championship chances with an experimental clutch? | ||
| Moboy516 |
motogp.com says that Mad Max might be going to Kawasaki motogp. Nakano won't be riding green next year now. | ||
| Blake |
"that whole clutch problem is kind of baffling to me. " Yep, smacks of shear stupidity or worse. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Seems to me he may be the Test Mule instead of Pedrosa. Maybe he isn't the # 1 rider. Ya know, the whole Spanish angle I posted about before...... | ||
| Rocketman |
With Hondas efforts to give Hayden the best and latest development RCV engine, said engine placed the clutch closer in board which is why Hayden's clutch suffers from problems caused from heat whilst his bike is sat on the line. Hayden said the clutch at the start behaves like a switch, either on or off, offering very little feel. Rocket | ||
| 12r |
Who would've thought the first 800 to score a point would be an Ilmor ? | ||
| Imonabuss |
4 laps down?! Pretty sad way to score a first! | ||
| Trojan |
4 laps down?! Pretty sad way to score a first! Don't knock it. To score points in it's VERY FIRST outing, in the world's top championship is nothing short of stunning. Even to qualify and complete the distance is a huge achievement. There are some manufacturers who would be very happy to do that in a domestic championship, never mind at World level! Unlike Motocyzzzz or whatever they are calling themselves, Ilmor sat down and built a bike from the ground up in less than 6 months, raced it and scored a World Championship point. It was also the ONLY 800cc bike in the race. The bike wasn't 4 laps down due to lack of pace, but because it had a lengthy pit stop with a minor electrical problem (battery). The bike was actually running on track ahead of the D'Antin Ducatis before the pit stop. The Ilmor also finished the race a long way ahead of Nicky Hayden, Dani Pedrosa, Shinya Nakano, Sete Gibernau, etc etc etc, so good on them and I for one congratulate the team on their success. | ||
| Blake |
"Stunning"? Please. Encouraging for sure. "Stunning" would have been a top ten finish. Not sure how the unfortunate crash caused by Pedrosa has anything to do with the relative performance of the Ilmor. Seems awfully strange to even use the DNF crashes as some kind of measure of success for the Ilmor machine. I don't see it. Kudos to Ilmor for what they did with their multi-million $$ investment and efforts. They have a lot of work ahead of them. | ||
| Jscott |
"4 laps down?! Pretty sad way to score a first!" Stones... Glass Houses... I think us Buell fans should think twice about criticizing others' racing efforts. 4 laps down due to pitting and adjusting is far better than 4 DNF's in a single race at Daytona. Ilmor did excellent for what they intended to accomplish. (Message edited by JScott on October 16, 2006) | ||
| Trojan |
Of course it is stunning. Ilmor are not even a motorcycle manufacturer yet manage to get a bike from the drawing board to the track in a matter of months, secure a top level rider, and finish their first ever race in the points. This comes after they had horrific problems in testing last week and even right up to race day warm up, so yes it is stunning. They finished ahead of all the DNF'ers, regardless of what caused them to crash/breakdown etc, and that is what counts. The record will show that they out scored the Repsol Honda team and it doesn't matter how they did it. | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake the multi million pound investment doesn't exists. Mario Illien put his hand in his own pocket. Yeah he has a few million and he put some of them where his mouth is. Wait until you see the street bike he showed me the other week. Anyway, I can understand Erik Buell being a little cynical. After all Mr Illien has done in six months what Mr Buell's being talking of doing for 30 years give or take. Brit's on top. Gotta love it! Rocket | ||
| Davegess |
Stunning is I think the correct word. When your first bike in your first bike race finishes that is cool. When it scores a point in the TOP world championship in that same outing that is stunning. And Rocket, I don't think Mr. Buell is cynical about it, perhaps a bit jealous but I suspect he is cheering for these guys. Mr. Bus, They lost those laps sitting in the pits not becasue they were slow. Spain will be interesting, it is a track that does not reward top speed. If the thing can finsih 2 races in a row it could finish well | ||
| Blake |
I personally was far from stunned. I expected Ilmor to finish no more than a lap down. I was happy to see them qualify and finish. I hope to see them do much better in the future. Go Ilmor! The XBRR's first national race bagged a win against the likes of a 999R Superbike. For me THAT was stunning.  Had an XBRR run in the MotoGP race, it likely would have finished ahead of the Ilmor. Stunning? Not at all. It is impressive that Ilmor have got their machine working in decent form so quickly, no disagreement there. But the race performance was not "stunning" by any measure I can fathom. From where is this 6 months claim coming?. I'm very skeptical. | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake in all the years.......I've never seen you clutching at straws, but I like it. Keep it up mate otherwise I might have to call you much sooner. Rocket | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Come on now Blake. Where in the Hell do you come up with this stuff? XBRR finishing ahead of the Ilmor? I'd like to see the lap times of the XBRR at Estoril. Then you'll prove it. That's just silly! | ||
| Rocketman |
Dave, hey I did say 'a little', but I'm sure you're right. If I may say so though. I think this whole thing started because some dude said "4 laps down?! Pretty sad way to score a first!". Now that's gotta be a provocative first from the bus driver and I dig the dude for it. This is the stuff of BadWeB legends! Rocket | ||
| Blake |
Rocco, I'll try to explain. The Ilmore finished four laps down. It's not any kind of a stretch to imagine a competent racing machine finishing ahead of that. Sean, What straws are you imagining I'd be clutching at? The bias of some folks here is astounding. The XBRR has achieved some truly amazing success including a debut race win against very challenging competition. Of course to the Buell naysayers, none of that is significant. I just don't get it. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Hey Blake. I'll be the first to say how much I like Buells. I have friends that race them. I'd love to run one instead of my Ducati at the Track. I have friends that work at Buell in the engineering field. So it pains me to say that in my opinion, the XBRR is still a few steps short of a competent race machine. The have had their share of DNF's. I just don't think the XBRR is in the same class as MotoGP bikes. It also wasn't designed to race at that level. So to say it would finish ahead of a GP bike, all things being equal, is a tad far fetched. I believe the Buell would be lapped 4 times never even coming into the pits like the Ilmor. But, hey, just my opinion. | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake are you serious? The facts speak for themselves. The XBRR beat some highly tuned street bikes not in the same league as a BSB or WSB. But let's not forget Buells more than 50% capacity advantage at Daytona, and a more than 30% capacity advantage over the Ducati you're happy to boast about it beating. Jerry McWilliams debut ride on the XBRR at Daytona produced a fastest lap of 01:43.765. A lap average of 01:43.6 would have got McWilliams no higher than 19th in the Superbike race. C R Gittere finished 23 (last) in the Superbike race on a Suzuki GSX-R1000 with a fastest lap of 01:44.885 Ben Spies took his Suzuki GSX-R1000 to 1st place with a fastest lap of 01:38.091 The Ilmor spent 4.24 minutes in the pits. Had an 800cc engine and was the slowest bike on the track by an average of about 19mph against the top three finishers. Rocket | ||
| Jimidan |
Blake sez: "Had an XBRR run in the MotoGP race, it likely would have finished ahead of the Ilmor. Stunning? Not at all." I think Blake is on to something there. I will concede that the Ilmor is faster than the XBRR (Duhhh!), but if it spent that much time in the pits...and assuming the Buell did not break down (not that big of a stretch considering how few times it has broken down in CCS/ASRA racing), it is conceivable that it would have beaten the Ilmor. The tortoise beat the hare, didn't it? jimidan | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Now you're comparing MotoGP to ASRA/CCS? Wow. I didn't know I raced in a Series so closely related to the World Premier Class. How may times has the XBRR crapped out of AMA races? This scenario is way, WAY,WAYout there. | ||
| Rocketman |
Estoril MotoGP Race - Ilmor SRT X³ Makes History Estoril 15/10/06: The goal was quite simply to finish the race, Australian ride Garry McCoy went one better putting in a consistent performance to bring MotoGP’s newest team Ilmor SRT, their first Championship point and making history in process – today was the first time a 800cc capacity bike has scored a point in the MotoGP series. Ilmor and chassis designers Suter Racing Technology (SRT) have worked flat out over the weekend trying to achieve the best possible set up for the team’s debut race in Portugal -Their hard work was rewarded this afternoon when the Ilmor X³ crossed the finish line in 15th position. After starting McCoy made steady progress consistently improving his lap times then overtaking Spanish rider Jose Luis Cardoso. He then went on to slowly close in on Ellison before an electrical issue caused him to pull into the pitlane on lap 18 where the team took data from the bike before sending him back out. During the next lap, the team analysed the data and identified a faulty wheel speed sensor, McCoy came back in and the sensor was disabled before he rejoined the race. Rocket |
