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Rocketsprink
| | Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:23 pm: | 
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Man, you must watch too much X-Files. Conspiracy? No. Don't think I said that either. The POINT was no team orders.
You are very dense if you do not think companies and governing bodies have a vested interest in seeing one person succeed over another, even from the same team. Do I think all parties involved were upset about what happened? Sure. Do I think some were not as upset as others? Yes.
The point of the photo? For others to see what happened if they were not able to see it. You read way too much into things.
But I forget. You're so much more knowledgeable. Hell, you claim to be as fast as them. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:50 pm: |
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Guess you missed last year's Laguna Seca where Edwards took Rossi in the corkscrew. Then, showing the major difference between Valentino and Dani, Rossi started a late race charge for second place (Nicky was long gone) and came up HARD on Colin. Then, he backed off and let Colin take second place and he settled for third. When asked afterwards, Rossi said he pictured the pass going awry, and having two Yamahas on the podium sounded better than having NO Yamahas on the podium, so he backed off. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:57 pm: |
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Sorry Sean, we'll have to agree to disagree. I have the race on the DVR and have reviewed the incident numerous times. Pedrosa went flying into that turn WAY too fast.
Let me get this straight. Rossi was beat by a first time winner and nearly beat by KR Jr, but he was not beatable?  LOL. |
Eboos
| | Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 09:15 pm: |
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Blake, could you possibly email me the race? If you use some type of splitter software, you could break up the file into something managable. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:14 am: |
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If someone could instruct me on how to tap into the Motorola DVR I'd be happy to share it. The DVR has USB and firewire ports, but I've never tried plugging into them. According to the young man from Kilgore Cable, the DVR is resistant to external access; he and his techno-nerd friends had tried and were unsuccessful. Maybe a Google search is in order.
Apparently there is a way to stream video via firewire to another campatible device. If you can tell me how to accomplish that, I'm all over it. 
The race will be rebroadcast this Tuesday on Speed. Check your local listings.
(Message edited by Blake on October 16, 2006) |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 02:10 am: |
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Upon further review, it is obvious that Pedrosa knew very well that he was coming in WAY too hot. Long before he had committed to a line in that turn he had his left foot down off the peg. Why then did he choose to dive inside of Nicky onto the curbing where he had no chance of staying up instead of running wide where he could have saved it. The more I look at it, the worse it stinks. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 04:45 am: |
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I honestly think that both Nicky and Dani would have finished in front of Rossi had they not ended up in the gravel.
Where on earth is the evidence of that!!
Rossi did exactly what he had to do on a bike that was not 100% (again) and by his own admission he was also 'not in the best rythm' either. Elias was riding out of his skin and almost out of control for most of the race, and Rossi had nothing to prove by getting pushed into the gravel by someone who isn't fighting for the title. Rossi looked genuinely pleased for Toni on the podium, and was very relaxed about the whole race.
If it had been Hayden or Pedrosa he was fighting with I'm sure he would have just dug a little deeper into the seemingly bottomless pit of Rossi talent and done what had to be done. let's face it, when Nicky crashed he was over 2 seconds behind Rossi.
As far as team orders go, you don't need team orders to tell you not to put your team mate in the gravel. Pedrosa has made some basic errors all season when it comes to overtakes, including nearly putting Hayden in the gravel at previous rounds. he may be quick but he is nowhere near World Champion material at the top level (despite winning the 250 championship).
At the end of the day luck has played it's hand again in the outcome of the series. If Rossi hadn't been put into the gravel by other people earlier in the year (TWICE!), or not suffered mechanical failure (TWICE!) he would have the title on his mantlepiece already.
If Nicky wants to avoid being punted off by his team mate then he should get out front with a 2 second lead like Valentino did........
Spain will be interesting, but I would not bet against Rossi for the title, and in my mind he is the most deserving of it this year.
As an aside, well done to Garry McCoy and the Ilmor boys They may have been 4 laps adrift after a lengthy stop, but they finished in the points at their very first attempt with a bike that just didn't exist 6 months ago. |
12r
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 06:08 am: |
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At the end it was "bullshit, this was supposed to be my year!"
Any more lip readers here ? Hayden was, as Charlie Cox put it, 'incandescent'. It would be great to get a full transcript. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 07:02 am: |
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At the end of the day luck has played it's hand again in the outcome of the series. If Rossi hadn't been put into the gravel by other people earlier in the year (TWICE!), or not suffered mechanical failure (TWICE!) he would have the title on his mantlepiece already.
Memorable!!!
I don't wish to blow smoke up Trojan's arse, but we are blessed on the BadWeB to have such talent. Matt you are a fantastic 'race pundit'.
Rocket |
12r
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 07:24 am: |
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"Excuse me, I believe I was here first !"
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Macbuell
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 09:49 am: |
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I was so livid when I saw Pedrosa take out Hayden. I have not been a fan of Predrosa but now he is on the top of the list of riders to root against, especially since Biaggi is no longer around. If I was Nicky, I would have decked him. Total bs move. Are Hayden and Pedrosa both under contract with Repsol for next year? If I was Hayden, I wouldn't want to be on the same team as the tool. Even if there were no team orders, Pedrosa should have known what was at stake for his teammate and backed off. |
12r
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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ped-ro-sa [ped-rose-ah] verb, I did a pedrosa, you've been pedrosa'd.
definition:To completely screw up someone elses' chances when you have none of your own.
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Trojan
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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ped-ro-sa [ped-rose-ah] verb, I did a pedrosa, you've been pedrosa'd.
definition:To completely screw up someone elses' chances when you have none of your own.
Term of abuse: You complete Dani (You utter W*nker!)
To be Pedrosised: Torpedoed from behind |
Simond
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Where on earth is the evidence of that!!
Calm down Matt!. I was merely suggesting that, by his own admission, Rossi was not on top form and the Hondas appeared to have the measure of the Yamahas on race pace.
If Elias was riding out of his skin, do you not think that Pedrosa might have done the same?........ and on this year's performance the result of that would favour Dani over Tony.
There's no question that the best rider of the year is Valentino but I'm sure that Nicky would have ended up close to the front in this race, though he would have been unlikely to chance it against a Pedrosa/Elias/Rossi battle for the win.
That would have left the pair going in to the last race on near equal footing - something that would have made the Valencia race interesting.
(Message edited by SimonD on October 16, 2006) |
Trojan
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 11:40 am: |
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I have to disagree Simon.
Nicky was struggling to stay ahead of Pedrosa even in the early stages (hence the coming together), and even Colin seemed to have the measure of him. Rossi was already strolling into the distance by that time. Rossi was also considerably quicker in qualifying and warm up than both works Hondas.
Most importantly of all is the fact that Rossi is mentally tougher than Hayden and Pedrosa put together, and had them mentally beat even before the race started. When Rossi says he has problems all through practice and isn't happy with the setup, then blitzes everyone in qualifying (almost at will it seems) the other riders must wonder what on earth they have to do to beat the guy.
It would have been nice to see Nicky finish, but I don't think it would have even been close.
Rossi now goes to Spain with a superb record at the circuit in the past, and knows that all he has to do is follow Hayden around to win the title. Yamaha will give him a reliable motor that will finish the race, even if it is down by a few bhp.
Nicky, on the other hand, goes to Spain knowing that he has thrown away a 50+ point advantage since mid season and now needs to win to stand any chance of taking the crown. He hasn't even had a sniff of the podium since Laguna and now has deep troubles in his own garage with a 'team mate' that he cannot rely on to help. For a guy that has been on the best bike in the paddock for 4 years and won only once outside the USA it is an extremely tall order. |
Stou
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:11 pm: |
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I don't care if Hayden was to finish in the top 3 or not but what Pedrosa did was a shame. You don't do that kind of pass to your teamate!!!
Pedrosa need a punch in the face and a nice kick in the but to make him think twice next time!!! |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:19 pm: |
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When I think about this I am not amazed, which is the real shame here, that so many American's think violence is in order as punishment for Pedrosa.
He's a young lad with a huge responsibility on his shoulders, and no matter what happened on Sunday I'd be a proud father if he were my son.
Quit yer bitching. Hayden's had half a season to up his game. Pedrosa's the coming man and Hayden knows it.
Rocket |
Jscott
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:30 pm: |
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Although us Buellers have a love/hate relationship with Dean Adams, the dude can be downright funny...
"Sure, maybe he was frightened by the enraged Hayden and worried that the American was going to knock him right out of his Garanimals."
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Oct/061016c.htm |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 04:21 pm: |
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Everyone has their bias. Pretending to know what would have transpired based upon that bias is a bit silly ain't it?
Nicky was not struggling to stay in front of Pedrosa. Pedrosa threw it away struggling to pass Nicky. Both of them were running ahead of Elias and Roberts. I don't accept that Nicky could not have been fighting for the lead at race end. That is just bias talking. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 04:29 pm: |
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Mr. Adams nailed it for sure. Big time. |
Bdabuell
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 08:25 pm: |
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I just watched some of this race again and wanted to say something...I'm sure it'll get the usual flame and/or troll response, but oh well...
When Hayden passed Pedrosa he came within inches of making the same bonehead mistake that Pedrosa did later on...he lost the front and made contact with Pedrosa...whether skill or luck saved him I don't know, and I'm really not that fussed.
Point being, when i look at it more I just have to think it really was bad luck. Pedrosa tried a pass and failed. Was it a bonehead move? Yes! but maybe he was fired up cuz he races in the premier class in the world...maybe he was pi$$ed that his teammate had hit him a lap or two ago...who knows. I don't.
When I think about this I am not amazed, which is the real shame here, that so many American's think violence is in order as punishment for Pedrosa.
too true...to think violence would resolve this is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY dumber than the act that started it... |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 09:09 pm: |
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After watching the wreck over and over, I believe Dani when he says he was not trying to pass Nicky in that curve. It was obvious to me that he came in way too hot and then tried to make it around the curve anyway taking the extreme inside line...on the curb. It looked like the bike levered its tires off of the road when the left side panel drug the curb, and then lowsided him right into the back end of Nicky. Boneheaded move...fer sure. They boy apparently was caught up in the moment as he had been the subject of a rather aggressive pass by Nicky and Edwards before that. I would even go so far as to say he was pissed off and lost his cool...a most unbecoming act for a professional at his level. Nicky had to get to the front because he could not afford to let Rossi get away, and Dani knows it (now).
He will forever be known as the guy who knocked Nicky out of the championship. Roberts Jr. said he didn't challenge Vali any more than he did because he didn't want to take him out, and be forever known as the guy who knocked Rossi out. The difference is in maturity level and class, among other things.
Nicky showed a lot of class when he struck the ground afterwards, instead of young Dani...Nicky isn't stupid.
(Message edited by jimidan on October 16, 2006) |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 09:29 pm: |
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Whilst I agree with both the above comments, please don't take this the wrong way.
He will forever be known as the guy who knocked Nicky out of the championship.
Only by Americans. No one else really thought Hayden would do it in the end anyway.
Rocket |
Bdabuell
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 09:42 pm: |
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He will forever be known as the guy who knocked Nicky out of the championship.
How can that be? When Hayden had a 50+ point lead at one point...how can this one mistake, when the lead was wasted down to 8 points, be the only thing that potentially loses the championship? c'mon... |
Eboos
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 09:52 pm: |
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On a brighter side, I'm sure Dani just gained at least a year's worth of experience in about 15 seconds. I don't think you will ever see that again in his racing career. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 09:59 pm: |
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I never liked little puddin' boy anyway. He's the guy that knocked Nicky outta the championship as far as I'm concerned.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. |
Dtx
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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Smoke
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 10:15 pm: |
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the champion isnt crowned yet. to make his season, nicky needs to win in spain, vale third. we will have to wait and see.
it ought to be a hoot in estoril.
tim |
Bdabuell
| | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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Roberts Jr. said he didn't challenge Vali any more than he did because he didn't want to take him out, and be forever known as the guy who knocked Rossi out.
just watched this again...Roberts said he didn't want to be one of the guys to blame...nothing about forever being known as anything |
Heads
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 03:32 am: |
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Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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bdaBuell sez:
"Roberts Jr. said he didn't challenge Vali any more than he did because he didn't want to take him out, and be forever known as the guy who knocked Rossi out.
just watched this again...Roberts said he didn't want to be one of the guys to blame...nothing about forever being known as anything"
jimi:
Selective memory can be a problem, and I only saw the interviews once at the end of the SPEED telecast, and I admit I was a bit agitated. I did go back and watch it again...I love my DVR. And YES, you are SOOOOoooo correct that the words "the" and "forever" were not said, but I feel that it was inferred/implied (you chose).
Fess up, did you actually remember that or did you have to go back and watch it again too, to really see exactly what he said? Now tell me what the substantive difference is? Not much, but that shows you're paying attention! Keep up the fact checking, it will keep us all honest...besides "Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story"
jimidan
(Message edited by jimidan on October 17, 2006)
(Message edited by jimidan on October 17, 2006) |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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bdaBuell sez:
"He will forever be known as the guy who knocked Nicky out of the championship.
How can that be? When Hayden had a 50+ point lead at one point...how can this one mistake, when the lead was wasted down to 8 points, be the only thing that potentially loses the championship? c'mon..."
jimi:
An 8 point lead is a lot different than an 8 point deficit, with one race to go. Can we agree that it was the main thing that kept Nicky from having the chance of winning? It is all a matter of conjecture, but because of the actions of Puddin' Boy we will never know.
Did you see how distraught Rossi was at the interviews? He was just like the announcers said he would be after having to win like that.
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Bdabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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Fess up, did you actually remember that or did you have to go back and watch it again too, to really see exactly what he said? Now tell me what the substantive difference is? Not much, but that shows you're paying attention! Keep up the fact checking, it will keep us all honest...
of course I went back and checked...like you I love my Tivo/DVR
When i read the post I was amazed to think KR would have actually said that...so I had to go check.
My guess (and I'm guessing here...did I mention this is a way out there guess?) is that KR would look at the tape and think it was a bonehead move, but he would also have the "hey, that's racing" approach.
I think there's a difference...but I'm happy agreeing to disagree |
Macbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:52 pm: |
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Actually Nicky had a 12 point lead going into the race. Rossi got 20 points for the second and Nicky none. Hence Nicky being down 8 points now. |
Bdabuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 01:14 pm: |
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speaking of Tivo...
Eboos asked about getting the race sent to him, which would mean you'd have to get it off the Tivo
if you have a Tivo that sits on your (wireless) network, as mine does, you can get a free utility from Tivo called Tivo desktop that will allow you to easily copy programs to a PC in a format readable by various different players. I do this all the time with shows for my kids to avoid them taking up space...copy them over and burn them to DVD...they can then watch them as much as they like
don't know if there is an equivalent for other DVRs, but it's an option if you know someone with a Tivo |
12r
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Betzy
| | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:51 am: |
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Insane!!! |
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