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     José_quiñones |
Some pictures from today. Light spectator turnout, not that many entries either, a lot of riders are spooked by this track, because of the walls being so close There were four Buells racing this weekend  Patrick Wakefield  Chris Dunn  Jeff Gochenour  Brian Bemisderfer | ||
| José_quiñones |
And their nemesis, 2005 Summit Point Track Champion, Nate Kern on the brand new R1200S  (Message edited by josé_quiñones on August 27, 2006) | ||
| José_quiñones |
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| José_quiñones |
There were 18 races today, and it seemed like Brian and Nate were on the track every other race, but never head to head. Until the 11th race, LW GP. Nate was on the Pole, Brian was two rows back.  Nate got the holeshot, but Brian had an amazing start and he got up to second by the time they reached the first left turn on the first lap!  After that he chased Nate down and eventually passed him, winning one of the six races he entered and won.  (Message edited by josé_quiñones on August 27, 2006) | ||
| José_quiñones |
To the victor belong the spoils of the interview....  | ||
| 1stbuell |
Good shots Jose! I love watching and riding that track. | ||
| José_quiñones |
They both had pretty good days, winning multiple times. The other story of the day was Robert (Robbie) Wilkey, an amateur on his Kawasaki 636, who apparently broke the track record and beat Brian on the track in one of the races, but they were considered two different winners (Robert won Amateur, Brian won Expert) That kid is fast, he won almost all the races he was in, he'll probably be in the AMA in a couple of years.   (Message edited by josé_quiñones on August 27, 2006) | ||
| José_quiñones |
Full results HERE | ||
| Blake |
Way to go Bryan Bemisderfer! Wait. Are the race results correct? Are you seriously trying to tell me that a Buell racer beat all comers including those on middleweight repli-racers and liter sized superbikes? And Nate Kern did almost as well on his BMW Boxer racer, only losing one race to the dominating Buell racer on a mission, Bryan Bemisderfer? The twin cylinder air-cooled pushrod machines are back! Excellent photos and report JQ. Thank you for sharing.  (Message edited by Blake on August 28, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
"They both had pretty good days." Winning six of six and beating Nate Kern from two rows back rates higher than just "pretty good". I'd say it is excellent! That is a real tight twisty technical track, no? | ||
| Imonabuss |
I agree with you, Blake! Way to go, Brian! Why don't Buells get the respect they deserve? | ||
| Jscott |
So José goes to a race, takes pictures, is kind enough to report back and your going to bust his balls for not using your prefered lingo? Unbelievable.  Thanks for taking the time to report José!! (Message edited by JScott on August 28, 2006) | ||
| Imonabuss |
Who busted whose balls? My question was not aimed towards Jose, it's aimed to the stupid general sportbike community! So what is unbelievable about that? Or did you think Jose was trying to promote Kerns and his BMW on this site, and think somebody busted him for that and since you are not particularly pro-Buell that irritated you? I don't get why else you would blow up like this! Too weird. | ||
| José_quiñones |
No offense taken, I just cal them as I see them, I gave up on the Kool Aid a while ago. The track is very twisty, lots of blind turns no real straights, so the torquey bikes (Buells, BMW's SV's) do well there. All three riders had really good days. Brian beat Nate when they raced head to head. Robbie passed and beat Brian in the race they were head to head in. Robbie had to start on the second wave, from even farther back than Brian had to start when he raced Nate, so that was even more impressive. Brian said after the race that he knew he was there and let him go by without much of a fight because they were not really 'racing' each other. But after crossing the finish line he was a bit mad, and we didn't help matters by giving him a hard time cause he didn't really 'win' that race. He rode like a madman in his last race trying to break the lap record, he got really close. So by that standard Robbie had the most excellent day, Brian had an excellent day and Nate had a great day. (Message edited by josé_quiñones on August 28, 2006) | ||
| Jscott |
1st - I didn't blow up 2nd - I'm very pro-Buell 3rd - Blake, does your back hurt from the'buss man patting it so much? | ||
| Blake |
Anyone who utters the "kool aid" phrase instantly loses credibility with me. That sad, sorry remark is the crutch of those who can't stand on merit alone. It seeks to belittle others. It is just plain weak and disrespectful. Bryan won 6 out of 6 and stomped Nate Kern to boot. No kool-aid required. Just some American V-Twin juice and a very talented racer. I don't think a ZX6R 636cc repliracer is in the same class as a Buell. Buells are generally classed along with their comparably performing LW machines. The fact that one got by Bryan is not surprising, considering its lighter weight and extra HP and obviously talented pilot. That kid will surely be one to watch. JScott, The fact is that I merely stated MY opinion, a pro-Buell yet very well substantiated opion, on a Buell enthusiasts' discussion forum. Sorry that so burns into your psyche. Get over it. 1. You indeed did interject yourself between others. Suggest you learn to keep quite in such cases. Failing to do so just makes you an instigator of consternation and ill will. That kind of behavior is seldom appreciated. Pretty sure JQ can speak for himself. He knows that I respect him. I'm quickly losing respect for you though. That's my plain and simple manner of talk. Easy to understand. Say what I mean. No mistaking it. It is exactly as it seems. Enjoy. 2. You are in no way "very pro-Buell." 3. I don't get enough pats on the back as it is. I'll take all I can get from folks I respect. People sure are funny. | ||
| Blake |
I'm very thankful for the photos and coverage provided by José. I could do without the "kool-aid" comment and the stirring up of consternation by the idle bystander who is supposedly "very pro-Buell." So thanks again JQ. You rock. No disrespect, just honest comments from a friend. Figure you are the kind of man who can easily handle frank commentary from a friend. In fact I know you are. I've known you too long to think otherwise. I just think that some people may go to far in their attempt at drinking the anti-kool-aid, if you know what I mean. No big deal. Cheers, Blake | ||
| Jscott |
"So thanks again JQ. You rock." My mission is done here... Thanks again José! | ||
| José_quiñones |
Next CCS race at Summit Point is September 9-10 hope to see more people there this time, I'm sure somebody will bring the Kool Aide.... (Message edited by José_quiñones on August 29, 2006) | ||
| Court |
>>>>I'm sure somebody will bring the Kool Aide.... I may. I'm thrilled with what's happening at Buell, damn proud of it and suspect others will soon begin to "see the light". If the Kool-Aid were imaginary it'd be different; it's not. Buell is doing some spectacularly exciting things and is on the verge, in my opinion, of changing the industry. Small guys can be, to quote Court, "mobile, agile and hostile". I'd love to make it to Summit Point and have an opportunity to see Brian race. Court | ||
| Rubberdown |
Great post JQ and what a day of racing. I'm a Buell and BMW fan and I really enjoyed the pics. How many races does Nate have on the new R1200S? | ||
| Anonymous |
The comments about Kool Aid are extremely vicious from my perspective. This relates to the Jim Jones multiple suicide committed by delusionary followers of a fanatically cruel leader. How folks coming to cheer for Buell motorcycles racing against world class competition can be compared to that inconceivable. The term was no doubt created by Cecil and the like at Sacborg, and is a measure of the uncontrolled rage of a few deluded fanatics with hatred of all things related to Buell. When you use this term, you align yourselves with this pitiful group, so think well what you are saying before you talk "Kool Aid". | ||
| Jimidan |
Anony sez: "The comments about Kool Aid are extremely vicious from my perspective. This relates to the Jim Jones multiple suicide committed by delusionary followers of a fanatically cruel leader. How folks coming to cheer for Buell motorcycles racing against world class competition can be compared to that inconceivable. The term was no doubt created by Cecil and the like at Sacborg, and is a measure of the uncontrolled rage of a few deluded fanatics with hatred of all things related to Buell. When you use this term, you align yourselves with this pitiful group, so think well what you are saying before you talk "Kool Aid"." What they are saying isn't what you are trying to make it sound like. Humor is not always literal...in fact, it is often expressed ironically or facetiously. Come on guys, it is an IDIOM! The whole Kool Aid stuff is just a big joke about "rabid fanaticism" (another joke) of Buell ownership, or whatever. Cecil and his ilk at Sacborg had nothing to do with creating the term, although they may have borrowed it in regard to some who are so into the brand that everything else is "heresy" (yet another bit of wit). According to Word Spy (http://www.wordspy.com/words/drinktheKool-Aid.asp) "drink the Kool-Aid v. To become a firm believer in something; to accept an argument or philosophy wholeheartedly or blindly." Earliest Citation: You don't follow anyone blindly, my brothers and sisters . . . . We love Marion Barry. He is the mayor . . . . But if Marion Barry disrespects us, we will cry out . . . . We will not blindly drink the Kool-Aid any longer . . . . —Cathy Hughes, transcript from a radio call-in show as reported in "Being Stood Up by Mayor Leaves Radio Host Fuming," The Washington Post, July 17, 1987" "Example Citation: One top executive named McMahon, the treasurer, was known for going around the company after he met with Skilling, Lay, and Fastow, and they directed him to do some bogus deal and say, 'Well, we've all got to go drink the Kool-Aid.' —William Lerach, quoted in Marie Brenner, "The Enron Wars," Vanity Fair, April, 2002" It is hardly "extremely viscious" and has very little to do with the Jonestown massacre. In fact, it wasn't even Kool Aid that the cult used used, but rather cyanide-laced, unsweetened grape Flavor Aid. I was alive and old in 1978 and remember it well. Puleeeze! Besides, I openly admit that I "drank" the Kuell Aid back in 1998 when I saw my first two S1's pull into a gas station in Knoxville, TN, where I was filling my van on a kayaking trip. Are you guys trying to tell me I didn't? I remember saying, "What the hell are those!". Now, I didn't mean that these bikes were actually in "hell" or from hell, or aligned with that "pitful group" in hell, or even that Hell exists. It was just what I said in the exciting moment...nothing more, nothing less. To have assumed so would be what I would call bordering on phobic. I associate the phrase "drinking the Kuell Aid" with absolute loyalty, and is what I think of when Court speaks. His post above confirms his feelings on this. Did Court instantly lose credibility with the party faithful when he said that? I think not! jimidan (Message edited by jimidan on August 29, 2006) | ||
| Anonymous |
Well, excuse me for my opinion, Jimi. I still believe, looking at your quotes of where used, that the phrase is extremely negative. No matter what Jones et al. drank, it is that event which is associated with Koolaid. I was alive at that point also, pulleeez, and that's how it feels to me. Personally, I feel the phrase is not one of camaraderie. No matter whether Court says it or not. Maybe I have no sense of humor, but I don't believe that liking Buells should be associated with rabid irrational following of a misguided leader. In this era, there are plenty of places that can be directed, and I don't think Buell motorcycles fit with the Bin Ladens, the radical Muslim clerics and Jim Joneses of the world. | ||
| M1combat |
It's really all just about having two different points of view... Both are approaching the subject from different angles (very different angles). One can not just assume that the other has merit because it's so different from ones own point of view. Some people are more open minded than others. What I've learned about that subject is that you can't learn from the people who have the "perfect" experiences and you can't learn from the people who have had the "horrible" ones. Dyna comes to mind coming from the "horrible experience" side and I've had a pretty good experience. One needs to find the median and then expect THAT. Anyone who is at either extreme and tells you that nothing other than their level of experience with Buell ownership can happen is full of bull pucky. That's what they other "ilk" will generally do... They'll tell you that there's no way a Buell can be good. They'll tell you that all Buell owners have wool pulled over their eyes. They'll tell you that anyone that has a good experience has been drinking Kuell Aid. They're wrong. The guys from this "ilk" will sometimes tell you that the Buell world is made of rose pedals and lacey things and nothing can possibly go wrong. They're wrong too . There's a median somewhere in the middle that defines what is most likely. From what I can tell it should look like a broad Bell Curve with the meat of the curve shifted towards no (or very few) troubles. JD Powers seems to agree with me. It's not Kuell Aid... It's an acceptance of the fact that some people have bad experiences. It seems that some very vocal people over on The Sack have this one little ideology firmly entrenched into their mindset... "It Aint Me." I don't mean to say specifically that they caused their own problems... Don't get me wrong. I'm sure many of them are perfectly capable of maintaining a motorcycle. That said... Some motorcycle are NOT capable of being perfectly maintained. Their mindset seems to define to them that because they had a bad experience, that everyone else will and SHOULD. That's a negative outlook. The guys over here have a more positive one. A lot of the guys over here have had good experiences and due to that, they believe that everyone else could and SHOULD have the same... That's a positive outlook. If you ask me... Everyone that spends their hard earned dollars on anything ought to understand that things can and will go wrong. It's the way things work. Sometimes more stuff goes wrong, sometimes less. It's luck of the draw. I think that Buell has done a BRILLIANT job of stacking the deck towards things not going wrong with the XB. Some people still say that the Buell experience can not be good. They yell it and they scream it in an effort to be heard. They want people to listen to them say "My Buell Sucks... Yours might too.". Which one is Kuell Aid? | ||
| M1combat |
Anyways... Congrats to all of the racers who got a "W" , and thanks for posting pics Jose . (Message edited by m1combat on August 29, 2006) | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Awwww for crying out loud! Pass the Hawaiian Punch!  Thanks JQ for a great report! It looked like a great weekend of racing. Unfortunately for some, they can't just let it be that. I wish just once the petty bickering and hijacking of a thread would go away from the good posts on this board! | ||
| M1combat |
"I wish just once the petty bickering and hijacking of a thread would go away from the good posts on this board!" Here Here . | ||
| Mutation_racer |
LIBERTY HD-BUELL will be at summit on the 9-10 with old faithful and our new xbrr so look out | ||
| CJXB |
the phrase is extremely negative. I believe it's all in how you look at it as well, no one can say that DaveS hasn't turned that phrase into a positive spin for himself and he sells Buells !! Anyone can take a negative and make it a positive, if you're a positive person !! And thanks for the race report as well Jose !! I've met Jose in person and he's pretty cool and laid back, he's entitled to his opinions and doesn't come across as negative to me !? I like that he hasn't taken offense to anything negative anyone's said !! Just my 2 cents !! |
