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Kenp
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:12 am: | 
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I bought a used 2005 XB9R, it already had a Force Streetfighter exhaust system installed.(which I'm about ready to throw in the trash!) From what I can tell, it has the stock ECM (p/n Y0152.3A8) installed as well. The problem I am having is the performance between 1000 RPM's and approximately 3500 RPM's. In this range it sucks, it has no acceleration whatsoever. Once it hits that mark, the bike is gone!! I'm in the works of replacing the exhaust system with full stock due to all the exhaust leaks on the Force , and because the sound is just a bit too loud for me. Can anyone lead me down the right path as far as what needs to be done to fix the problem as well as what needs to be done once I replace with full stock?? I'm having no luck with my local dealer as they will not help me at all.
Thanks
Ken |
Thumper2811
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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Hey Ken
The Force exhaust is a high rpm range power giver don't think there is anything you can do about it. I have the force too and just learned to deal with it. As far getting it back to stock I don't recommend it but if you must, the only thing you will have to do is get a tps reset. I would recommend a drummer does great all over the rpm range and you still use you stock ecm. Good luck with everything.
Dave |
Thumper2811
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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Buy the way XB's like it better at 2500 and up RPM's |
Kenp
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 05:24 pm: |
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Dave, thanks for the info. Are you having problems with exhaust leaks at the slip joints? This is a large reason I want to replace it....
Ken |
Thumper2811
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 07:44 am: |
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To be honest I don't really know. I just gave up trying to figure it out. |
Kenp
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:17 pm: |
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Alright, thanks again for all the help. Ive been doin research on the Drummer you spoke of, and it sounds pretty decent. Read alot of testimonials, and people seem to be very happy with the Drummer. Maybe I will go that way, but the Force is gonna go. The leaks and the sound is just a bit too much for me to get used to.....Thanks again Dave.
Ken |
Rhun
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 03:41 pm: |
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If you have a stock ecu and it hasn't been remapped you will have to replace it with a race ECU or remap it to be happy with the Drummer. The Drummer, as I have been lead to believe is on the loud side also. If you want to go back to stock get a stock muffler to fit your bike. There are tons of used ones out there. I guess the force includes different header pipes so you will need new ones of these I assume. |
Kenp
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 05:11 pm: |
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Yea I have already bought a used exhaust, and have ordered all the clamps, hardware etc etc from DaveS. Im still workin on the headers. After all that is takin care of, then I may go the way of the Drummer, not quite sure yet. |
Xring
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 03:08 pm: |
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No need to reset the TPS if you have the stock ECM. The only time the TPS needs reset is when installing a new ECM on a bike or replacing the TPS itself. Or for maintenance, to account for wear.
If you're just changing the exhaust back to stock nothing else mechanical needs to be done (if you have the stock ECM). The bike may run ragged until the AFV is readjusted (by running at steady state for 15-20 minutes.)
Good luck,
Bill |
Kenp
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 04:59 pm: |
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Thats good to know Bill Thanks! I will definitely give it a shot and see what happens.
Thanks again all for the help. I will let you know how it turns out.
Ken |
Desertted
| | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 08:24 pm: |
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TPS reset, remap, modify the ECM, power commander - Sorry, all of these discussions sound like 15 year-old kids in auto shop. There is no substance, no specifics, and no technical detail.
For example why don't we see this?
Q: Bike is a 03xb12r, what do you settings do you use on a techlusion with a K&N filter and a Jardine? A K&N filter and a drummer?
A: “3-4-4-3” - That's it. Not "its easy", not "try this..."
Nobody knows of any good mechanics, anywhere. How can that be possible?
I'm not going to buy $700 worth of equipment and risk blowing up my 3 month old, $11000 bike. If I'd known that there is no support for Buell I would have either not bought one at all, or just bought the Pro Series combo and been done with it. Do Harley, Yamaha, Honda and other brand owners go through this? NO they don't. If you want to put a turbo on a HD you can easily find dozens, maybe hundreds of places to do it. There mechanics in every metropolitan area that can easily and accurately dyno tune Suzuki’s, Harley’s, Yamaha’s whatever, just not a Buell.
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Al_lighton
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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Ted,
I'm not sure what you're expecting to find. There are shops that can work on your bike as far as the straight mechanics go. I personally don't have direct experience with them, though I know of a few I'd try if I was looking to rip into my engine beyond what I personally am comfortable doing. I'm positive there are plenty of them here in SoCal. I just haven't had to use them since I do all my own top end work and my bottom ends have all held up fine, so I won't recommend one.
As far as the tuners go, there aren't a whole lot of motorcycle Brake dyno equipped shops in Socal to begin with. Dozens? Hundreds? No way, there are only a handful. There are a bunch of Dynojet 150 inertial dynos out here, but to do full mapping, you need a brake dyno. Buell, Honda, Yamaha, it doesn't matter. A full brake dyno is needed and there aren't that many here. I know of a few, but I'm not sure any of them are Directlink/Buell qualified yet. And my personal opinion is that in-between box solutions (i.e., power commander, techlusion, rapid bike) are obsolete for Buells so until that changes, you can't get a full map locally.
I'd hoped to have more canned Buell Directlink maps in the bag now. But the CARB lawsuit against Dynojet has had some interesting repercussions and map development has slowed somewhat as a result. I'd bet that isn't a Buell specific phenomena, though. All the CA tuners out there a bit apprehensive at the moment.
Used to be on carbureted bikes the answer may have been as simple as you describe...V&H and K&N, throw in a particular main and pilot jet and you were good to go. FI changes all this. It isn't so cut and dry. You load in entire maps. Maps aren't cheap to develop, and they aren't as easy to explain in a sentence like jetting was. The answer is NOT "3-4-4-3" for ANY fuel injected bike as you describe above.
TPS and AFV resets are a VDSTS SW purchase away. You can do it and other things yourself if there isn't a close dealer that you can trust.
My offer is still open on doing the TPS reset along the ride this weekend. We'll have to coordinate where you want to meet.
Al |
Desertted
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 03:11 am: |
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Thanks so much for you generous offer Al
I hate to sound like a broken record, but spending $400 then the possibility of me leaning out the injection and melting pistons just does not work for me.
I found a great shop here in Palm Springs.
The guy has 2 Buells and many harleys
If anyone needs their bike looked after while near Palm Springs, call 760-322-2708 they WILL hook your bike up
Until "H" hooked me up, my bike was popping when decelerating and hesitating or stalling when blipping the throttle, now it is just hard to hang onto the bars when I really hit it, awesome |
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