| Author | Message | ||
     Jiml |
Al, I was at my local dealership today and saw the new P/A catalog. The muffler your describing is pictured there. I've been thinking of a replacement for my race can but this doesn't look like it. I've not had any problems with my race can other than repacking it once. It's got 12k on it now and holding up very well. later, jiml | ||
| Ralph |
Al, is it a two or two and half inch? If it's the two and a half can't you shorten the inlet and have a muffler shop stretch the end to slip over the header? bighairyralph | ||
| Al_Lighton |
It's 2 1/2", but I Don't think it can be easily adapted, BHR. They gave it a tapered inlet to the can rather than the orginal flat front (where the old ones broke), and then the welded some beefy front supports to the straight section just after the 90 degree bend. So effectively, the can is longer than the old one. I'm not saying you couldn't, but it'd be a lot of hacking/grinding/stretching etc. Not trivial at all. I'll post a good picture of it when I get the digital camera back. It doesn't show up on the Buell Accessories web page yet. OTOH, neither does the race header or can....Hmmmm. It actually looks like it may the best muffler out there for a standard slip-on. S-trapp has fixed the places their old ones failed, it is adjustable, and it is quite attractive (except for some less than perfect welds on the front mount). Very nicely polished stainless. dual support front and rear. I think it is sturdy and won't fail. But I want to use my race header :-( Al Al | ||
| Ralph |
Rats. Big stinkin' nasty rats  bighairyralph | ||
| Jiml |
Al, Just been thinking about your problem. Isn't Brad over @ Sporttwin working with D&D to make a muffler for the race header? I'm just thinking I've read that somewhere. What about trying to get the same model of IDS that your needing. Maybe Tat has one. Just thinking. later, jiml | ||
| Buellzebub |
Al a white bros x1 can fits race piped S1's with a litle modification, worx and looks good too! [picture with my profile] | ||
| Jakeanvil |
anyone have problems putting the chin fairing back on after installing a white bros on a 2KX1? I had Hal's put it on for me, and they just called to ask me what to do. Jake | ||
| Buelliedan |
I recently started using a White Bros on my X1 after a bad experiencew with V&H customer servicre and all I can say is "I love it!!" I have kept it with the provided 12 disks and it screams in the mid range!! My S3 has the V&H and it feels slow now, especially in tight twisties. I highly recommend the White Bros and i know Neil S.does as well. Very well made, great customer support, adjustable performance, reasonably priced ($245)and great performance. What more could you ask for? Dan | ||
| S2carl |
OK, now I know that a lot of folks are having problems w/ breaking the rear hangers on their mufflers. And I know in a perfect world, manufacturers SHOULD repair under warantee. But they don't. So I went looking on the net for a strap/clamp that might hold up to the abuse and I think I might have found one. Comes in a multitude of sizes to fit the OD of almost any pipe. SureSeal Clamp What do you think? Carl | ||
| Buelliedan |
Carl, The Vance and Hines has problems with the front clamp usually not the rear. It's the Trapp and Borla that seem to break rears. Those clamps look good but many of the aftermarket mufflers are ovals so they wouldn't work with those. Dan | ||
| Psychobueller |
Buelliedan, What does is the quality/quantity of the WB pipe's noise? I run the Trapp IDS now and it has a sweet growl, but not the "blat" of the V&H. | ||
| Bigblock |
Although V&H will break rears, too, mine did, and I've seen a few others, as well. But, they made good on it, I must admit. Atleast on mine, I don't know about the other guys. | ||
| Rocketman |
Can anyone tell me how readily available the recall bracket kit is for the front muffler mount, in the US ? As usual, the supply in the UK is non existent and yet again the old style bracket that sits on top of the muffler has broken I want one of the new style brackets and I'm told there are non on the horizon in the UK. TIA Rocket in England | ||
| Reepicheep |
My local dealer (Eastgate Buell, who I would not recommend dealing with) had it in stock, but was too clueless to know they should have put it on with the shock upgrade they had just done. I was not sure of the status (free or not), and wanted to get away from them forever, and had no interest in letting them do any more work on my bike, so I just bought the stupid thing ($90 I think) and decided never to darken their doorway again. Heck, I am several thousand miles from Modesto California and Dallas Texas, and that's where I now consider my "local dealers" to be. Call them and see what they can do. If they won't deal overseas, email me offline and I will be happy to be a proxy for you. That original front mount was a mess. I would replace it is soon as possible. I had significant damage done to the voltage regulator and the muffler tab in less then 100 miles riding once the old rubber got shredded, and suspect this was the root cause of my sheared exhaust header stud. Bill | ||
| S2carl |
For the umpteenth time (since i never remember to save the info). What is the pn for the bracket to fit the race header to 95-96 S2s???? Thanks | ||
| Hoser |
Carl: I can't find it , I'm at home right now , a better mount is the latest part , I have not seen one break yet S1001.01A1 is the part # for the upgrade kit Just for the record neither of my Buells has ever cracked an exhaust pipe or any of the mounting hardware but both of them have the new mounting kit as of last winter. Combined milage of the two bikes 70,000 + Jeff | ||
| Buellx1nc |
Hoser: Is the upgrade kit just the mount for the muffler or does it include the frame mount as well? Thanks Tom | ||
| Hoser |
Tom: The kit includes a front bracket , the "wraparound" strap for 99 & up muflers and all fasteners needed to do the upgrade. It's best done at the same time as the 2001 shock installation which comes with a front mounting bracket and thru bolts. Jeff | ||
| Buellx1nc |
Hoser: Thanks Will place an order on Monday RIDE SAFE PROTECT YOUR 6 Tom | ||
| Orion |
Hello Everyone, I'm new to the board, so forgive me if I screw this up. I just got a Vance and Hines slip-on for my 2000 M2. I ordered it from my local dealer, and as I was unpacking it I noticed the part number is 16529 (for a 1999 M2). I think my dealer screwed up, and should have ordered me the 16531. Does anyone know what the difference is between the 1999 and 2000 versions? Thought I'd ask since the dealer is closed until Monday. Thanks In Advance, J.D. | ||
| Leeaw |
Orion, 1999 version has a black elbow to match the header. Send it back! | ||
| Dvnt |
Well after 9600 Miles my Vance and Hines finally bit it... Packing blew when I wasn't watching and the inner packing cage is all busted. TOAST! Rear ear bracket de-welded too... Time for a new system! Anyone try the new Full System from Borla?? It was featured in Battle2win but I wanted some real world advice. For $485 seems like a deal! Thanks Jeff | ||
| S2carl |
Hoser, Thanks for the info. I just got the upgraded mount on the s2 but thought the old pn (which I found, header support #65784-96YB) was necessary as well to mount the race header to a S2. Carl | ||
| V2win |
Dvnt, My S3T has one on it. I took the Buell race pipe and muffler off to try out the Borla complete system. Its seals better at the head exhaust ports. Both the header and muffler come already polished. Has more torque at lower rpm than the race system.( I can pull the front end up from under 2000 rpm now, where the race pipe needed almost 3000 rpm to do it) Has less power at higher rpms. This is a seat of the pants statement since I have not had it on a dyno after installing it. The bolts that come with it are just regular ones. Stainless allen head are what I would suggest to replace them. Under $5 at the local hardware store. I put it on the same time I put the exhaust bracket upgrade kit on. I have had no problems yet with breakage, but I have only put about 6000 miles on it so far. The Buell race muffler started to have problems after about 10,000 miles. Sound is not as loud as the race system. All and all I like it and will probably stay with it until I put those 3 13/16 pistons in this winter. I dont know how it will work on a big bore engine. May have to go back to the race pipe at that time. Here is a picture of the beast. That's not me standing behind my S3T. It's some guy by the name of "racerboy" that I share the rode with sometimes. He's ok except he sometimes insist on riding that damn BMW.  | ||
| Al_Lighton |
Jeff, Check out the new Supertrapp...it's so new you probably haven't seen it. It is a BUELL Slipfit retrofit, has a BUELL part number and instructions. I'll post a picture of one later today when I get home to photograph it. It appears to have fixed all the old Supertrapp mounting deficiencies, is tunable, and comes polished right out of the box. I haven't mounted it yet, however. Al | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Al, What is the new part number? What is the list $$? I kind of like the Super Trapp, IAMike had one on his in Colorado. He had over 10K mile on his before he had problems (most likely from dealer induced stress during shock upgrade). Thats why we missed all the fun on Mt Evans, we were at the welder in Silverton. We got part way up the mountain and saw all the pretty lightning from below and decided to head directly to the pizza joint. Meanwhile you were doing the hail storm bug-a-loo and the mud slide shuffle! BTW, is it all back together yet? Brad | ||
| Dvnt |
Thanks Al and V2win! Guess I'll wait and see whats on the horizon. Jeff | ||
| Al_Lighton |
Heres a few pics of the supertrapp/Buell Slipfit muffler. The kit number is 65012-01Y. The welds aren't beautiful, but they look strong enough. The fact that it uses two hangers should prevent back and forth wiggle which fatigues the single rear on the old IDS. The fronts MAY have some of that problem, but again with two instead of 1, it will likely last much better than the old single hanger.  | ||
| Al_Lighton |
Jeez, friggin SW timed out     | ||
| Zemen |
a couple of questions about the buell race header: 1. is the header 1 3/4 inch o.d. or bigger? 2. what is the wall thickness of the tubing? 3. what is the length of each tube measured from the head to the collector? 4. how is the tube sealed to the head? gasket, o-ring, ect? the reason i'm asking is because my friend just purchased a tube bender so we're going to experiment and build a couple of different header/straight pipes for my s1w. any other advise or info regarding design would be great too. i'll post our finding and pics in the next couple of weeks. thanks. zach |
