| Author | Message | ||
     Littlebuggles |
I know there are the early Marchesini wheels, Buell, and Performance Machine options. Oh yeah, Dynamags too. Are there any additional options besides adding xb rims? I don't want to have to swap out my fork legs and fiddle with spacers for the rear wheel. something to reduce weight and accomdate a more readily available 180 tire on track days | ||
| Court |
>>>Dynamags There were never any "Dynamags" offered on Buells. Erik, in the days when he owned Pittsbugh Performance was a distributor for, among other things, Dymag. Best option, given your stated needs, is the Buell PN wheel. It is a tad (insignificant given your apps) heavier but will acoomadate a 190 tire. Court | ||
| Rocketman |
Dymags can be had for any Buell, if you want to pay the price. Carbon fiber wheels don't come cheap!  Rocket | ||
| Blake |
You might first try running a 180 race tire on your stock rims. That's what I do. I like the handling too, at least compared to the 170 series Michelin's I have also run. Only downside that slow ol' me can notice is that due to the tire beads being squeezed inboard that extra 0.197" on each side, the profile at the tire tread's edges becomes sharper making it tough to use the last 1/8" of tread. Conversely, folks noticing the chicken strips on your rear tire might be led to significantly underestimate your cornering performance, at least until you drive by them a time to two.  I highly recommend the Metzeler or Pirelli racing DOT tires. | ||
| Jayvee |
Can anybody say, or guesstimate, the weight savings of the Dymag carbon fiber wheel (front or back or both) over the stock wheels? | ||
| Lake_bueller |
I've been running 180's on my stock rims with no problems. I have Metzelers on my S1W and Michelins on the S3T. I'll be switching the S3T tires to Metzelers on the next change. | ||
| Rocketman |
Can anybody say, or guesstimate, the weight savings of the Dymag carbon fiber wheel (front or back or both) over the stock wheels? I can guesstimate if you want.  Unbelievable is the answer. When I took the Dymags out of the box when new I thought it sinful putting the pulley and brake rotor on the rear. Another huge difference can be found in tyre weight. Some Pirelli's I've ran are a lot lighter than some Dunlop's I've ran. Rocket | ||
| Road_thing |
I've said it before and I'll say it again: That's what a motorcycle is supposed to look like! rt ...but it needs either: (a) a yellow battery or (b) red rocker heads! | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Oops, my bad, Dymag. I believe that is what Al has on his site as a Buell option (carbon and magnesium). Thanks for the info, I think I'll go with Blake's advice for now and just run a 180 on the stocker if the Michelin guys will do it. I guess they are the hook up out at the track. I hope to put in my race tech springs next week, I'm considering buying the valve kit too but have not been to the track yet. I'll see if I need to sort my suspension more than just increasing the preload as I need to do now once I've run the track a bit... Rocket, I had not seen a pic of your bike reassembled, it looks great. Thanks again all, I'm trying to get my bike in order so I can concentrate on the track experience. -Mike | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
Rocket if you have still got that rear shock fitted, you can get it upgraded to the newer, non-breaking Showa FOC. Nice S1 too. | ||
| Blake |
LB, Dude, if you are going to run Michelin, you might as well use their 170 series racing DOT tire. It is a good tire. | ||
| Rocketman |
That's what a motorcycle is supposed to look like! Thong, It looks even better now, but it's not quite finished enough to review it on the BadWeB - yet. That red battery is goose after just 10 months. I've used two the same in past years, and they didn't last either. I'm on with the warranty at the moment. Bloody thing. Might end up with the Wesco gel. Time for a black one maybe. So I didn't go with red heads because of the Ferrari thing. Much to common. Gialo Fly is less so, except they're standard British yellow or some such colour lol. Yellow matched the switches, Accel wires, and the Dymag labels. Thanks LB. Steve, I daren't ask for anything from the dealers these days. Is the later shock any better? Have you more conclusive stat's I can use at the dealers if so? St Ledger are closest and I know a few folks there. Rocket | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
Rocket, believe me, I do not think it would be a problem. I do not think HDBUK would like a suit against them if that shock failed. Yes, the later Showa is an improvement over the earlier ones. They had more practice before making them. The shocks are available from the European warehouse as a retrofit kit, the frount mount changes too. We have been assured by HDBUK that anyone who presents a bike with the old shock will get a new one. Please make sure you take the bike to a dealer who actually knows the difference between the two Showas. It's obvious, but some dealers still can't recognise them. If you need more advice feel free to ping me off line. HTH. | ||
| Simond |
Yes Rocket. Warrs even replaced mine on my imported '96 S2 just before Xmas. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I seem to remember a three spoke wheel with a 5.5" width offered by one of the Euro shops that specialize in Buells. One of the features of the wheel was its very close resemblence to the stock three spoke front wheel. I'll look for it again and get back to you when I get a chance. I'd also like to get a 5.5" wide wheel so I could run a 180 for the wider choice of tires. Unlike Blake, when I ran a 180/55 (207 Dunlop) on a my stock 5" wheel, it felt horrible. It may work for a Michelin, but I could not recommend it for that particular Dunlop. | ||
| Rocketman |
Thanks for the shock info fellas. Just Harleys were going to change it when they did the ill fated head repairs, but they never got around to it, and I've never been back since. Well, there has been three years down time in between! So, what's the difference between the two Showas? Can you post pic's? I notuiced in your profile Simon, you're running a Maxton shock. Last time I spoke with Maxton several years ago they'd spent much time developing and testing a shock for an S1W, then decided not to go into production with it. Do they have a shock that might suit my S1W available these days. A pic of that would be nice too. Anyway, I'll call St Ledger and get the Showa sorted meanwhile. I guess part numbers might help? Thanks again Steve, Simon. Rocket | ||
| Simond |
Maxton finally started selling their shock in 2001 but have since withdrawn it. It was excellent but mine leaked after a couple of years and is still not quite right after a couple of rebuilds. I'm sure it will be sorted soon and I hope to put it on the S2 (maybe with a white coated spring!). AST seem to be the company in Europe at the moment for tuber shocks - try Matt Purdy at Trojan. I have no first hand experience but they look well built to me and there have been some positive reports on UKBeg: http://www.britnett-carver.co.uk/adrenalinmoto/prods/32.html I can't find a picture at the moment of the newer Showa but it has a shorter stubbier rear mount than the slender item on yours. The whole shock is about 1.75" shorter and requires a new front mount. It is significantly stiffer than the old one - not very comfy but it seems to cope better with the average sized Buell rider!! | ||
| Littlebuggles |
DJ, That sounds like what I am after. Blake, I'll follow your advice, my supervisor at work has their # so I can see if they take the 170's out to the track as a regular thing or if I'll need to make a SPECIAL request. -Mike | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Rocket, compare these to your photo showing your shock above...  | ||
| Littlebuggles |
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| Bluzm2 |
Rocket, If you get the new shock (above in buggles pic's) the fron motor mount also needs to be changed. The latest shock is an inch shorter than the one you have. Brad | ||
| Rocketman |
Anyone got an old WP laying around? What was the issue with the length on that one? I recall you couldn't use the old WP in an S1 with an X1 arm because of different length shocks between the S1 and X1. Now if there's a front mount that allows a shorter Showa, could it be that this mount would allow an old WP on an S1W fitted with an X1 arm? Anyone? Rocket | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
Personally I'd use neither the WP or the older Showa. They both break. As Simon says, the AST seems to be the current favourite. Maz Matsell is running one on a S1W race bike. Maxton are a waste of time regarding the rear shock. Shame. | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Penske and Works performance are available for the new swingarm, you probably still want to get the updated front mount anyway. If you get the dealership to give you a new shock you'll be alright for a year or two, until the seals blow anyway. I'm having a tough time finding anyone to rebuild my bad shock with the gold valve I have for it... Do you still need the part number for the updated unit? (Message edited by littlebuggles on May 12, 2006) | ||
| Rocketman |
I spoke with the WP main man in the UK when the issues with some of the front shock eye on their shock were current, and it was just that. A mere handful of shocks worldwide had failed. The deal I had at the time with this WP fella was to return the shock to him, where he was going to change the front eye for one off a WP shock probably from a motor crosser application. Unfortunately, around that time the S1W motor blew and whilst at the dealers having the motor rebuilt the dealer changed the WP shock for the Showa, but I also asked them to retro fit the polished X1 arm, so the WP wouldn't have fitted. I was however going to see if WP could have changed the front eye and got it to a suitable length for the X1 arm combo, but the dealer wouldn't let me have the WP after they removed it. I'm not sure what path I'll take for now with shocks, but the upgrade Showa part number would be helpful, thanks Lb, and I'm not in a hurry to spend several hundred pounds on a rear shock when the Showa that's on the big Buell works for now (no matter how bad - or good lol). Rocket | ||
| Simond |
Rocket, the kit you want is the K1400.C. It covers the S1, S1W, X1 & M2. There were certainly plenty of them at the European distribution centre a few months ago but they may have had a run on them since then ! You just need to find a friendly dealer. | ||
| Rocketman |
Simon, if the shock you refer to fits the S1, S1W and X1, how does it accommodate the difference in shock lengths between models? Like I mentioned previously, there is a difference in length of shock between X and S due to the different positioning of the swing arm mount. Thanks. Rocket | ||
| Simond |
I have never heard of that difference before Rocket. I have had that shock fitted to both my X1 and S2 and know of many S1 and M2 owners who use the same shock. The documentation that comes with the kit is clear about the models that it fits but I can't lay my hands on it at the moment. Anyway, you have have a X1 arm and the early Showa (as fitted to early X1s). The reduced length of the later Showa is handled by a new front mount that is angled the rear of the bike - so you should be in exactly the same position as you are now. Good luck with it whatever you do . | ||
| Rocketman |
The S1W came stock with a metal arm, same as S1, and a WP shock. The X1 stock had the alloy arm which I believe had the rear shock mounting eye placed slightly further forward to accommodate a slightly shorter shock. I believe the WP was a 1/2" longer than the Showa on the X1. This required that if you fitted an X1 arm to an S1 or S1W, you had to use the X1 shock too, and not the WP, as the rear wheel would be pushed up further under the seat etc etc because of the extra 1/2" length of the WP. What I'm trying to establish now is why this later Showa upgrade seems to fit all models. Simply by changing the location of the front eye won't change the geometry of where the swing arm sits. That is to say, if the upgrade Showa fits an S or X chassis it could mean that between the S and X chassis, somewhere a 1/2" length difference has been 'ignored'. Weird????? Rocket | ||
| Littlebuggles |
Updated model shock (from my M2 parts book, should be same for all models from the 2001+ model years): K0431.9 K0410.01A4A for the M2 low if you are vertically challenged. The kit number Simond listed above is the same as ref'd by my book. The front bracket is K0407.01A1 If you want all the info I can probably scan the photo and part list and pm them to you... Bug (Personally, though, if I was going to spend the 5-6 hundred dollars I think I would go with a Works Performance from American Sport Bike, around 7 bills.) | ||
| Rocketman |
Bug, thanks. I'll stick for now thanks. Rocket | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
All the shock recall documentation is at UKBEG.COM for download. I'm with Simon, one Shocker, with a new front mount in the kit, fits the Tubers Simon listed. The Bulletin(s) explain it all. HTH. (Message edited by steveshakeshaft on May 15, 2006) | ||
| Aragosta |
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