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Bj_duty
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How do I get the damn thing off? There's not enough clearance between the bolt heads and the frame (where the passenger pegs are attached) to get an allen wrench in there.
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe you could get a fat friend to sit on the seat and lower the swingarm to where you can reach the torx hardware.

Or reduce the preload all the way and have a skinny friend do the same...

-Mike

(Might be able to replicate a friend with tie-downs from passenger pegs to sub frame)
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Jimincalif
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You need ball-end hex keys. They can go in and turn the bolt heads at an angle instead of having to be straight in. Ball-end hex keys are your FRIENDS. Tuber people need them in both SAE and metric but SAE is the more critical.

These bolts and the bolts holding the intake manifold on are the two most important places you need ball-end hex keys.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I had mine up on the Centerstand, I used a ratcheting strap looped around the axle and frame loop to pull the swingarm up where I could get at those bolts.

Maybe you can figure out a similar method with the bike setting on its wheels. Like a strap around the swingarm and over the frame loop, I wouldn't put any load on the plastics though, it took some force to get it up high enough.

Ball end Torx wrenches are a self defeating prophecy in my experience. If the wrench it not perfectly parallel with the screw it seems to turn into a cutting tool and destroy the socket. Man I hate Torx screws...

Jack
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Patrickh
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use several socket extensions and a phillips head driver bit to get at the screws. I get one out through the loop of metal that supports the passenger peg.

The one next to the caliper I remove by raising the rear end and disconnecting the shock. The drop down gives you plenty of clearance.

Not fun but not real bad either.
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Patrickh
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To my knowledge no M2 has any fastener near the rear fender you could use a "ball end hex key" on.
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Denfromphilly
Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I went nuts trying to figure out how to get the fender off my X1. There was no way to get a torx aligned with the screw. I finally used a little screwdriver and turned it with an open end wrench.
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Deltacruiser
Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I recall using a screwdriver with a flexible and extended tip on it. It is wound kind of like a spring and the bits fit in the end. That worked like a charm.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"To my knowledge no M2 has any fastener near the rear fender..."

On each side of the fender, hidden behind or blocked by the passenger foot peg mount, is a Torx screw (or is it Allen?) that attaches the fender to the swing arm. Those are the ones I used a strap to pull the swing arm to get at.

Jack
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Patrickh
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that "you could use a "ball end hex key" on."

The fasteners are torx.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 09:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, those are Torx, not hex. Now I get it.

Jack
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Jayvee
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody got a ball-end Torx wrench ?

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Denfromphilly
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got a bench grinder and a steady hand, I wonder if a ball end torx would work....
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Scott_in_nh
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why not? But it would take something like a dremel to make it a ball. It isn't just a rounded end, you need to cut a rounded groove as well....
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Patrickh
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not a big fan of a "ball end" anything. Too much loctight and/or heat is present on these air-coolers to make a ball end an option. You got either a grade 8 bolt in an aluminium part or the fastener is stuck tight from shaking. I am not comfortable with the uneven application of torque on the fastener. I want a tool that sits flat in its hole or grips all sides of the bolt.

You can always cut something down to fit or remove something in your way. Taking the shock off is a one bolt affair. With the rear end is raised at the rider pegs you will have plenty of room to take everything off.

Old mechanic friend taught me a valuable lesson a long time ago..."if it's in the way, MOVE IT".
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Jackbequick
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Anybody got a ball-end Torx wrench?"

I mentioned that, I don't have any of them though. And don't want them. I don't think they even exist.

Jack
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Buellzebub
Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

here's how i did it. lean on the seat area and you "should" be able to compress the shock enough to reach down and get a straight shot at the bolt.
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