| Author | Message | ||
     Zxzer04 |
I have read through here as Spike told me about it. And honestly speaking this is the funniest BS I have ever read. CC I dont really know about the "riding, racing & wrenching for nearly 40 years", but it does seem you are out of touch with reality. Your RSVR cost how much? Ok, fine its a fast bike and so is a Busa, ZX-10, and R1's. The fact is most and I bet that includes yourself are not able to push these bikes to their limits. Maybe if you were Miguel Duhamel, you could say without a doubt this bike is better than that bike. But each rider has his or her own likes/dislikes, comfort zones, body shapes and sizes, experience, and multiple other factors that influence their bike purchase. I don't think you want us all to own RSVR's anyway as it would mean yours is not so special. I don't doubt that its a motorcycle of awesome capabilities, but it's not what we each want and for me could even begin to afford. Now all that said and done 40 years experience means you are getting up there for a sportbike rider. Now me, I am not going to begin to say that I can out ride you. What I will say Is that you get somewhere like the Dragon and racing some one young and talented like say New12R and I think the chances of you leaving him behind or even keeping up slim to none. Young guys like that can push the limits and beyond and the fact is your higher horsepower numbers actually work against you. And you seem to act as if loyalty is a bad thing, this planet would be a better place with it. And so I will tell you if I was to win a RSVR today I would take it for a quick spin and then sell it to pay off my tractor and to put the rest into another tractor. If you dislike the motor so much, sell it...It needs a good and loving home not a evil step-parent. | ||
| Ccemn1 |
Talk about "missing the point"!!!!!!!!! This is not a "My dick's bigger than your dick" contest! I know the dim see it that way, but we're talking about the MOTORCYCLES here!!!!!! What’s the matter with you people? Did you forget to disengage the power take off before starting your Buells? The lame, ridiculous statement was made that a Buell could beat a liter bike. Need I say any more?????????? AND, Even at 55, I’d still pit my reflexes & skills up against ANY younger rider on a Buell! I wasn’t a National champion as a result of having “average” skills! I could have “pushed this Buell to it’s limits” when I was 16 years-old! Face it; a paraplegic on an Aprilia could blow off a great rider on a Buell. Unless you’ve spent some time riding one, you have NO frame of reference! Better yet, go take a new GSXR 1000 out for a spin if you really want an epiphany! | ||
| Mr_cuell |
Zxzer04 expressed what I have been trying to say. People tend to be comfortable with X speed entering a corner on reasonably similar bikes. To deride a bike that exceeds ones skills doesn't add up for me. 120/150/180 hp will not help you enter a corner faster, and it my hurt you as you apex because you have to watch the wheelspin. I posit that most people can not exceed the racing capabilities of the XB, and not to put too fine a point on it, people who are especially interested in drag racing have not focused their skills on that critical area of speed (corner entry, and point of acceleration). So if one cannot go as fast as an XB is capable of going, having a bike that is more capable is not going to help too much. Yes it will help when they get it stood up and can do what anyone can do - go straight, grab gears and hold on, but that 3rd brake marker is going to look scary to non-racer whether on an R1 or Honda Hawk. So that is the root of my childish pinks challenge at Summit. I hold that CC is less capable than an XB, and as such his extra hp's and ohlins will not be enough to overcome deficiencies in corner speed. Even killer brakes can't overcome the synapses in the head that say "Yer gonna die!!!". Maybe I'm wrong, (thats happened thousands of times before in my life) but I have spent enough time racing to know it separates the wheat from the chaff pretty quick, and the bike is not the deciding factor. Its skill, confidence, and cajones that makes guys fast. | ||
| Mr_cuell |
And BTW way - Peace CC (seriously) I haven't bothered to google you, but if you were a National Champion of any type, no matter when or how, if it was on two wheels with a motor you are alright in my book. I know you can't win that kind of stuff without skills. So all this cornering/tractor/junk crap aside, I tip my hat to you for that - | ||
| Ccemn1 |
100% agreed Cuell. I won the title in 1979. That was the last time I drag raced professionally. Ever since then, I've owned nothing but sport bikes. Mostly I-4's but several V-twins also, including a '97 Suzuki TL 1000 S, which was also an extremely potent bike (Not to •••• you, or anyone else off, but relative to a Buell!). Granted, the vast majority of my riding has been street, with a track day here & there, but I assure you, my riding skills are very much up to par! It would be very difficult to spend as many years on bikes and log as many miles as I have, without gaining a vast amount of expertise! I have put a few hundred miles on the Buell now. Enough to realize that it truly does handle well in slow, tight situations. The Aprilia though, far exceeds the Buell in EVERY parameter of performance, not just HP. I agree that I am “used to the Mille” and that’s why I’m constantly bouncing off the rev limiter and have kind of a negative view of the Buell, but you have to realize that not only is the Mille infinitely faster in the straights, it flicks in & out of corners so much better, you’d probably only believe it if you rode one! With the Dunlops, there’s not much “tire spin”, but I regularly have the front end off the ground when exiting corners. That in itself can be odd, because often you don’t even know it’s on one wheel until the front tire touches down again. And speaking of that, Why doesn’t the Buell have a steering damper? It needs one desperately! Please understand that this is not a “hobby” for me, where I take rides on weekends. I have been riding HARD for just under 40 years now. | ||
| Ccemn1 |
"And BTW way - Peace CC (seriously) I haven't bothered to google you, but if you were a National Champion of any type, no matter when or how, if it was on two wheels with a motor you are alright in my book. I know you can't win that kind of stuff without skills. So all this cornering/tractor/junk crap aside, I tip my hat to you for that -" DITTO Cuell! You ARE a gentleman! | ||
| Diablobrian |
What ever happened to your claims that Buells put down 60 hp? you never owned up after that. Or to the fact that power to weight the 300 lb 60hp rz350 was in EXACTLY the same class as the 450 lb 90hp xb12? assuming the rz is really that light. That of course is comparing a tricked out rz to an average box stock xb12. Apples to oranges. How about a comparison between an equally tricked out <400lb 125hp xb12? No longer 5lbs per hp is it? We won't even go into the difference in torque between the two and how that affects real world riding. I understand you hold drag racing titles. That means you have, or had, impressive hand-eye coordination. This does mean you have an advantage over the average squid, however, it does not make you a world, national, or even regional level road racer. These guys have a very specialized skill set. yet you throw down insults about "go-cart tracks", and how fast you are without any applicable data or time sheets other than top end speed. Anyone can pull the trigger on the new class of liter bikes and hit 160 (indicated, but don't get me started on speedo error) That does not make them a road racer except in their own minds. Get wise to the facts. If you are as capable as you claim, get a racing license and get out there and show these guys how it's done. You're well off (Your words) You should be able to put together a bike to race win three amateur races in CCS and become an expert. That should only take a weekend right? Then convert to AMA and show us all how it's done at the Road America track June 2-4. Road America is anything but a go-cart track, the long up-hill front straight is huge. On the way to world domination the guys here that DO race would probably be happy to have the opportunity to learn at the hands of a master. You wouldn't mind showing them the good lines around the tracks would you? I called the bluff before and laid down hard numbers, backed with hard science. You ignored all it to continue insulting and agitating people. I find it more and more difficult to take you seriously. If I were Blake I would take "I can see that with the rest of you, this is a waste of both your AND my time." As the request to be banned from the site since you believe it, and everyone on it, aside from Al (who happens to be a GREAT guy, that you can contact at American Sport Bike any time), to be a complete waste of your time. Have fun wherever you land. | ||
| Typeone |
Next time you’re there, ask someone with some age & experience (Not a teen-ager on a Buell!) what the proper break-in procedure is. This has been something that is common knowledge among racers and mechanics for years now, but based on the repartee here, I’m not surprised no one is aware of it. please. just because someone on the internet has posted something doesn't mean its process for every type of motorcycle engine. this forum has already discussed that break-in method and every board i've been on (IL4 + VTwin) has as well... and they all still argue about it. its not the end all way to break in a bike. i'm getting amused by this thread as well, i take no offense to your comments because they mean nothing to me. but what i am interested in is how you've only gone 176MPH on two wheels if you're such the racer, and a DRAG racer at that. seems kinda slow to me. btw, i did Google you, what a challenge that really was, i couldn't find jack. its also funny that you keep stating your 40 years of 'racing and wrenching' (i like how the 'racing' part is before the wrenching now) and how much you can add but you come to a board of Buell enthusiasts to crap on their product rather than add some real input. a true biker is past the BS. we're already past the fact that no motorcycle is completely, inside and out, perfect. who cares! we're already past the magazine stats, we're already past the 'low RWHP' figures compared to other bikes out there. most of the riders contributing to this board are about RIDING, not bitching about this little thing or that. its all moot. we are too much into technology, innovation, mechanics, engineering, etc. to yuk it up like hens about ridiculous nonsense like you're spewing. why would anyone say one particular bike is the supreme bike anyway? makes no sense. every bike out there has a pro and a con for the rider thats on it. thats why we are lucky to have a choice! does stuff break, yup. do things wear out, yup. um, its a machine. i've heard about just as many Japanese bikes sh*ttin' the bed this season on their maiden voyage as a 'crappy' Buell. its life. who cares. just solve the issue and move on. you sound like you have too much money and time on your hands to actually contribute value to what the group here is about. i mean, who actually points out that they are 'well off'? keep collecting toys, buddy. they definitely make for a bigger d*ck in the right crowd. i guarantee it. just make sure you add the 'Factory' part to your Aprilia. otherwise you might get crapped on somewhere else for an inferior bike. maybe you should take up 'racing' again.. oh, forgot, you are ancient and afflicted with all kinds of arthritis and this and that apparently. excuses. is that the reason you're so angry? you're washed up? how much of a racer can you really be if you're throwing the argument that a ~1200cc VTwin 'cant compete' with a 600cc IL-4? you just made yourself look like a fool with that comment. and are you really saying that a pro-level rider on a Buell wouldn't smoke you just because you have a 'superior bike? hahaaa. man do i wanna see that race. you really haven't made a single point of importance yet. maybe you're just pissed you dropped some cash on a Buell thinking you'd be 'different' but it obviously doesn't fit your 'lifestyle' because the figures on paper are so small. you must drive an Escalade, right? every important BS'er has one of those rigs. soooo, i would suggest you just put the thing on eBay and be done with it. i'm sure someone out there in the world of 'beginnger bikers' would love to get his hands on your 'junk' motor and chassis to have some actual FUN on it. 'cause essentially, thats what the freekin thing was built for. FUN. man, if there is one thing i can't stand about dudes in the motorcycle community its guys like this, that feel they are supreme because they're involved in 'rebel' activity. give me a break. a bike is a bike. i'd have a f*cking blast on a 50cc scooter too. two wheels is two wheels. live for the ride. pack up your crap attitude and go get kicked off a fancy Italian board 'cause you ain't adding shite here. doesn't surprise me if this is boot #29. your monitor and keyboard make you very powerful. how do you type and stroke at the same time? now THAT is talent. (but i have to admit it's pretty entertaining to watch someone shoot themselves in the foot on the internet so... have at it! there's one in the chamber just waiting) | ||
| Diablobrian |
while reviewing some of the earlier posts I noticed that some people may have mis-understood the rules I had cited in an earlier post. I just wanted to make a clarification, the 4lbs to 1 hp formula is used in ASRA (used to be formulaUSA) thunderbike. AMA Formula Extreme has an entirely different set of rules. | ||
| Zxzer04 |
Here you go man..You have missed the point. What you seem to think (and this does sound like a Drag Racers thinking) is that you can throw horsepower into a bike and its poof instantly faster and better. I think you need to take your Aprilia and Go...Don't go away Mad, just go away...Here's where it seems you would rather be anyway. http://www.apriliaforum.com/ Now just to prove my point, a couple years back I was coming through California and stopped hoping to look at this race track you might have heard of: Laguna Seca. Walked up to the gate and I could hear bikes running on the track, I started to walk past the building so I could get a view when a worker invited me in. He was a Emergency worker and bike enthusiast. At the time I was into Yamaha and there were 4of them, out of the 10 bikes running. I had already realized that these were superbikes doing testing. After about 30 minutes I saw a small looking bike come out and join the others at the end of the line as they went into turn 1. I lauged and commented to my new friend that he was crazy. He said "just watch". And before they made the forth turn he had passed 3 of the six bikes out at the time. He lost some time in a high speed turn and was passed back by 1, then into the next corner he passed that bike and another. He was racing hard with a Honda for 2nd when the main Straight came up and they passed him and promptly left him in the dust. He returned to the pits. That was a professional rider on a Aprilia RS 125 Single. Amazing huh??? a 125 with litre bikes. G | ||
| M2nc |
Every one knows that 600s out handle liter bikes. The liter bikes turn better lap speeds because of the straightaways. That is why a Gixxer 750 is such a great bike on the track. It spans the HP gap of a liter bike with the handling of a 600. I am not a racer and do not play one on TV but do enjoy riding on twisty mountain roads. I have on twisted roads out run sport bikes that out horse me on my M2. Last year at Suches GA I out ran several guys on sport bikes. They were riding R1, GXR750 and ZX9R. I had to back off the GXR750 because I was pushing him so bad, he tried to compensate with the throttle and on those roads that will just get you into more trouble. Last weekend I rode the Dragon on my Ulysses with the three bags on the bike. I stayed ahead and out of sight of six sport bikes that pull out behind me. They didn't catch back up with me until the Deals Gap parking area. I'm talking and noticing the guys riding in but don't really give it much thought until I see all six do a double take at me. I had forgotten they were behind me to that point and I guess looking at me standing next to my bike with my gear off surprized them. Did I try to out run those guys, no. I was just riding my ride. Now, can a guy on a Buell outrun a liter bike, well I hate to turn anyone's world upside down, but I have and more than once. My M2 and Uly are great bikes but are better suited to the sport touring I do. I rode 260 miles to get on the Dragon. As good as the Uly and M2 are they do not handle as well as the Firebolt. Man, can that bike handle! I prefer the 9 to the 12. I like the smoother power output of the 9 motor. I can say with no dought, put me in a group of 600cc with an XB9R and I may not be the lead bike, but I will not be bring up the rear either. To make such a stupid comment that a Buell is so far behind the pack that the rider plays no part in the equation is just not even close to factual. I saw Tripp Nobels qualify last year at VIR for the Formula Extreme race. He pulled up in Tilley's panel truck with a bunch of BRAG members for his pit crew. During qualifying, he rode behind the three Suzuki Team bikes that came in on an eighteen wheeler. They had the awning and outdoor carpet and mechanics in their pretty suits and the whole works. Tripp caught these guys from behind and pass them one by one. As they pull off the track I hear Tripp tell one of the Suzuki riders, "You let a Harley pass you!" Did Tripp out horse them, no way, he just out rode and schooled them. So for those that just do not understand Buells (and if you are looking for a steering dampener you obviously missed the point of the bike's light feel, you know Eric worked long and hard to get a fast reacting light on the controls bike) and how they can compete with 600s out on the track, its all about Owning the Corners. | ||
| Eexb |
"To make such a stupid comment that a Buell is so far behind the pack that the rider plays no part in the equation is just not even close to factual" AMEN (especially to the STUPID part) !!! (Message edited by eexb on April 06, 2006) | ||
| Spike |
I am in awe at the sheer incredibleness of your posts. This really has reached a new level of entertainment.
If this isn't a pissing contest, why did you throw down the gauntlet and say you and your Aprilia could be out of sight of a Buell in the first mile? How about the well off comment? If you're honestly not here trying to make yourself sound better than anyone else, why do you keep claiming you're better than everyone else?
and we're right back to the personal attacks . . .
I've already cited at least one case where it has happened, as witnessed by someone else. I don't want to do it, but I could even put you in contact with the instructor. He could even tell you of the other RC51 rider I walked away from in the same corner. It's not lame, it's not ridiculous, it's fact, and you stick your head in the sand to ignore it.
And we're right back to the pissing contest, this time with even greater exaggerations.
More baseless claims. Absurd ones at that too.
As stated earlier, I have ridden the Aprilia Mille. Two of them in fact, on two different occasions. One was a stock R, the other was a lightly modded non R. I know they're fast, faster than an XB. It's still stupid to claim that an XB can't even keep sight of a liter bike regardless of rider. We've already proven that you back down from challenges despite claiming otherwise, but I've got another challenge for you anyway- Try to reply to any one of the points that have been made in this thread without flying off the handle on a rant of how great you are or without personal attacks. If you're merely preaching the truth, it should be easy for you to back it up with fact and prove we're wrong. Care to take the challenge, or will you back down yet again? | ||
| Spike |
Just to add on to the 1st challenge- if you do take your Buell to the track I'll pay for a CD of the pictures. NESBA doesn't seem to run any events in your area, but it appears that STT does. They have an event this month at Moroso, two in September at Homestead in Miami, and two in November at Jennings GP. You up for it? | ||
| Vaneo1 |
Spike, Ill pitch in for the ballons and roses...maybe even a lolli-pop  | ||
| Typeone |
i'll donate video equipment, i have a feeling a few would like to tune in for 'the spanking'  | ||
| Bueller69 |
WOW! A lot of people on here have entirely too much time on their hands! Go out for a ride! (Message edited by bueller69 on April 06, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
The troll has been vanquished. Y'all are funny. Suggest you read THIS. | ||
| Blake |
Change in subject... The recent XBRR Supertwins race victory over a Dcuati 999RS superbike ridden by a former WSB racer is promising. No? | ||
| Court |
I got the impression he was actually beginning to believe his own fantasy. . . I love the internet. Okay...next up who took a 305 Hawk to 168MPH? Takers?  | ||
| Spike |
Robert Pirsig? *Edit- I had googled the name to make sure I spelled it correctly, came across a biography of the guy. Did you know he scored 170 on an IQ test when he was 9 years old? Totally nuts. Why do the smart guys always end up so crazy? (Message edited by spike on April 06, 2006) | ||
| Zxzer04 |
WOW! A lot of people on here have entirely too much time on their hands! Go out for a ride! I wish...Back up in Suches at that...but those of us stuck at work have to get our laughs somewhere...But I promise my "Tractor" will be plowing the fields come 5'O the clock.  | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
The troll has been vanquished. ---------------------------------------------  now if only the weather would co-operate....i need to ride just like you said | ||
| Bueller69 |
You know, I opened this thread thinking I'd find some Info on oil leaks. I've got a '05 xb12s with 16000 miles that also leaks. I was totally surpised at what I found here. This cecmn guy, though abrasive as hell, makes some valid points. I don't see why he was banned? I've always felt that all communication was good communication and have always been against censorship. I find banning, or excluding someone is usually a loser’s tack. When all other resistance fails, or when someone runs out of an intelligent rebuttal, that’s usually when something like that happens. I don’t know, I was just surprised at the thread and I’m just totally against any censorship. | ||
| Spike |
here we go again . . . | ||
| Zxzer04 |
What intelligence did you see there? Oil leak? Whats that got to do with bashing Buells. I have seen Japanese bike's that leaked oil, and yet we don't go bashing them...Fact is, this is a Buell site. 90% of the people on this site will be more than willing to help you or him figure out and fix your oil leaks. As it is an '05 let the dealer repair it under warranty, but if you are worried that someone elses hands are going to cause you problems, ask away. I bet you will get all the help you can get from a computer and monitor. This guy wasn't looking for help, he knew it all already, and was not willing to accept help from us lesser riders. | ||
| Hippo888 |
I have to side with the bunch that believes a rider's skill is more important than his machine's specs. I'm not a professional racer and I have done enough trackdays to know that I'll never ride at a competitive race pace. What I've discovered is that rider skill is more important than the machine. I've passed lots of 1000's on my 600 and been passed by bikes with 1/2 my hp. It's all rider skill. I've passed a couple of Buells and a couple of Buells have passed me. It's all rider skill. At the top levels of racing, it's all about rider skill. Valentino, Rainey, Schwantz all have taken GP titles riding machines inferior to the competition. On the street, it's not so much about rider skill as it is about risk-tolerance. I've found that who ever is willing to take more risks will be fastest rider on the street. As far as top speed figures as a measure of skill -- they're worthless. If you've spent a considerable amount of time above 120mph you know that the bike is more stable at 120mph than it is standing still at a red light. One can gently get off a bike doing 120mph and the bike will just keep going on without you -- it doesn't need you, it has enough inertial balance in the wheels and engine to keep itself upright for a very, very long time. If one steps off a bike at a red light, it's going to fall right over, immediately. There's no skill in top speed numbers, just a willingness to jerk your right hand longer than anyone else. Just twisting your wrist takes less skill than holding your bike up at a red light. BTW, I just sold a '05GSXR1000. It's a very impressive track bike, but my personal level of risk tolerance is too low to let me enjoy the performance of that machine on the street. And that's why people like Buells -- they're fun on the street. No, the numbers aren't as good as the Suzuki, but it's a lot more fun at street speeds than the Suzuki. | ||
| Ducxl |
Whoa....I just read all this.I thought it was about an XB oil leak.No leaks on my XB yet after 14 months.My X1 has had rocker box(should've done 'em both at the same time rather than discover the other one a month later)leak and once a primary leak.No prob. Embarassingly(and i'm of decent skill) i had all i could do once to keep up with "Jonnylunchbox" on his Blast whilst on my Ducati996...soooo embarassing,but Skill does count. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Bueller69, can you discribe where it's having this at? Give us the details man and we can try to help you. In the very least we can tell you what to tell your dealership for a warranty repair. | ||
| M2nc |
Hippo888 - Well said, that is exactly my point. If you take all the riders that just want to cruise out of the mix, I am still just an average rider. I was able to confuse some guys on I-4 sport bikes on the Uly, but at the same time was in the way around other Bueller at Suches. To me winning the race is getting home safely. When looking at bikes, I really like Busa's, GXR750 and ZZR1200. They are awesome machines but quite boring around town at legal speeds. The M2 and Uly are just fun to ride, fast or not. They have character and I enjoy them throughly. Now with the Uly I have changed my local route to add dirt roads. Man I hit deep sand on the Uly today at about 40mph. I stood up on the pegs and fought the bike to keep the front end from washing out. I have learned to lean back and use the throttle to keep the front end on top of the sand. Most of you drove your cars faster today on your way to work, yet I had fun. I hit these dirt roads so much on the way home from work that the locals are waving at me now. At first they just looked at me funny, now its no big deal for them to see me cruise by on the Uly still with the three bags on it. Oil leak huh? I have had a plenty on the M2. Some due to my own stupidity. The Uly is not leaking oil, but it will use it. I have to say if I were you, let the dealership fix it. |
