| Author | Message | ||
     Hodakaguy |
I love my S1's but if Ducati decides to produce this bike the S1 may just have to disappear. I haven't liked a bike this much by just looking at it since the S1's appeared in 96. Man this thing would be fun. It's called a Ducati Supermotard. 1000cc. It's currently just a concept bike but there are rumers it may get made. Damn, just when I have my S1 where I like it. Better Start Saving. Nice!! Hodakaguy     | ||
| Bake |
Looks nice, allways had a soft spot for Ducati's but..... ride it before you buy cause Motards are not comfy for more than 1/2 hr at a time!!! | ||
| Bomber |
see the pics of the german-modded Uly in the Dirty Threads -- very very similar me, I like the BWM HP, but, at 20 large, it just a lil outa my price range ;-} | ||
| Outrider |
Won't be the fastest, but sure is a fine work of art. Translation: I started saving for it back when I first saw a pic of the concept bike. I only have one problem. I like the looks of this bike and the greater functionality of the KTM. Still, the longer I think about the two bikes, the happier I get concerning my X1. So it looks like the X1 wins out for a few more years. Probably a good thing as that will allow my discretionary funds to grow that much more.  | ||
| Ryker77 |
I like it too. Those ohlins shocks are soo dang smooth. But I would not trade my near service free Buell that I can perfrom nearly all maintance on. For a more $$$$$ bike that cost soo much to ride and have serviced. | ||
| Ryker77 |
It needs a larger tank IMO. Then it would be near perfect. | ||
| Rex |
yep, a cool bike. probably will be too expensive for me. rex | ||
| Jimincalif |
I won't buy a bike I can't wrench on myself. Period. End of discussion. I've been through poverty spells now and again and if it happens again, I can keep my tuber running. | ||
| Mikej |
And why couldn't you wrench on a Duc yourself? By the way, that "is" one of the reasons I don't own a f.i. bike right now. | ||
| Hodakaguy |
I'm willing to sacrafice comfort for performance/looks, otherwise I wouldn't be riding a S1. I've spent days on dirt bikes doing 100's of miles in a short time so It can't be any worse that that. I originally went with the Buell instead of the Monster since the Buell had easier maint but if they release the Supermotard I may be persuaded to switch. Most maint shouldn't be to hard, it can't be rocket science. It's definatly not a practical bike but it sure would be a kick in the ass! Hodakguy | ||
| Jimincalif |
MikeJ, take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmodromic Adjusting these suckers is an absolute nightmare. Every 3,000 to 5,000 miles you have to pay big bucks to somebody who knows how to tweak them to get them right. It's even worse than Japanese "shim under bucket" systems. $400+ paid to a "Desmo Diddler" to tweak the valves twice a year? Uh, no, I don't think so! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducati Quoting: "Although the higher than average cost of servicing the Ducati's finicky engine can shock some owners, most will still agree that the improved ride quality, performance, and styling of Ducatis is worth the extra cost." No, sorry, not when a pumped up Buell can keep up and be stone-axe simple  . | ||
| Mikej |
Well I suppose, but hearing from some who maintain their own I thought it wasn't that big of a hassle once you know the process and have the tools. But then the same could be said for f.i. , so here I sit having shot myself in the foot.  | ||
| Whodom |
Jimincalif: There are at least a couple of internet sites with detailed do-it-yourself instructions for adjusting desmo valves. It doesn't look THAT bad. There's also a company that makes aftermarket valve retainers (the cost is about ~$150 for a 2-valve-per-cylinder Duc twin IIRC) that greatly extend the adjustment interval (up to ~15,000 miles or so I believe). Seems like Cycle World installed a set on their long term test Multistrada and was happy with the results. That would put the valve maintenance at a much more reasonable interval. OTOH, it's damn hard to beat hydraulic lifters when it comes to maintenance, isn't it? | ||
| Jimincalif |
And quoting one such page: --- So you wanna do your own valves, huh? Ducati desmodromic timing has a certain mystique, but it really isn't black magic as the dealer would have you believe. You just need time, patience, the right tools, and an attention to detail. Before you start, don't assume that it is a one-day-type job (unless your dealer is really good and carries a stock of shims). I broke it up into two days for checking/one day for changing, but it should only take a slow person (like myself) about six or seven hours for disassembly, checking, changing, and reassembly if you can find the shim right away. I had to wait because my dealer didn't have the shim (but that's better than waiting a month for an adjustment appointment). I get frustrated easily, especially when my bike is out in the hot sun and I'm trying to reassemble it, which is why I broke it up into so many parts. http://www.buschandbusch.com/ducatisuite/valves.html --- Uhuh. Instructions include use of a micrometer, and you need fine wet sandpaper to fine-tune your shims because all too often the Duc shims won't be quite right. And if you have a really fancy one, you have to pull the shock.  | ||
| Blake |
I gotta admit, that bike gets my blood up. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"six or seven hours for disassembly, checking, changing, and reassembly if you can find the shim right away. I had to wait because my dealer didn't have the shim (but that's better than waiting a month for an adjustment appointment" I'm sorry. But 15+ grand on a motorcycle that needs 6-7 hours of maintance. Plus uses SHIMS. I can redo my whole topend in 6-7 hours. BTW adjusting valves on a BMW boxer is less than 1 hour. Pull valve covers, rotate engine to TDC, use feeler gauge, torque wrench, repeat for the other side. I'd dare say a BMW with ohlins shocks is as good as a Duc. | ||
| Ryker77 |
If I wanted a naked bike and Buell wasn't an option.. http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/images/bikes/r1150rr/detailed_specs_photos/std_equ ip.jpg http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/images/bikes/k1200r/bike_photo_gallery_photos/5.jp g | ||
| Hodakaguy |
I've owned several BMW's and ridden a R1150rr, it's not even in the same league as the Ducati pictured above. The weight and handling difference would be huge. BMW's are very easy to service though. Like mentioned above the BMW HP2 would be a blast but its 20 grand, we'll have to see if the new Ducati is even in the ball park of being affordable. The whole valve service fiasco is exactly what has kept me from buying a ducati so far, I love my S1 but I think sitting on that new Ducati my S1 would seem a little porky all of a sudden. | ||
| Court |
>>>>It needs a larger tank IMO That's an accurate statement. As I recall, the bike shown has NO fuel tank. This was discussed several months ago when the concept drawings were released. It is a visually appealing bike. | ||
| Tripp |
cool bike but don't let it's looks fool you. "it is a "standard" cleverly disguised by marketing" - CW 0406 "the hypermotard is extremely simple and is no more than a modern 'scrambler', which was the consummate standard dressed up as an off-road bike" - pierre terblanche it is super light and great fun i imagine, depending on the cost however i bet the cityx is the way for a bueller to go. | ||
| Rocketman |
Ducati were due to make a decision this week if the SM went into production or not. I'm sure the info must be up on Ducati's site by now. If anyone is really interested it takes about 15 minutes to change 1 shim on a Desmo, so that's about 1 hour each head. Of course, it takes another 2 minutes to remove the fairing, but hey it is a race bike. 3 hours tops from start to finish and you've measured \ changed shims and put new belts on. It is a very simple process providing you can use a micrometer and add \ subtract a few simple numbers. The wrench wielding part is ridiculously straightforward. Yes you will need a selection of shims but if you're a long term owner you'll get prepared first, before you start the job. DON'T POST BULL SHIT ON THE BADWEB. KNOW THE FACTS FIRST FROM SOMEONE THAT'S DONE WHATEVER IT IS, or at least ask rather than mislead from someone you don't know that got ripped off. Rocket | ||
| Ryker77 |
Duc 100hp 385lbs dry weight est $14,000 R1200s 120hp 470lbs with fuel $14,000 XB 100hp 395lbs dry -- $10,000 XB wins. 4,000 less. | ||
| Ryker77 |
I'd sure like to put those mirrors on my Buell. They have the lights on them and they fold back. | ||
| Tbolt_pilot |
Hey!...Thanks for pointing out those mirrors. That looks like another good project that I can fabricate for my S3. I HATE the elephant ear-curb feeler-jiggley mirrors on my bike. They add another foot to the width which sucks in an already tight garage. | ||
| Roadsurfr |
After I have one of each Buell, then I might consider a duck. Who needs shims... | ||
| Mikeyp |
My dream has come true! Ducati's building it. Ducati Will Build HyperMotard In 2007 by staff Friday, March 31, 2006 This just in from Ducati NA: DUCATI TO PRODUCE THE HYPERMOTARD Award winning concept bike will be in showrooms Spring 2007 Bologna, 31 March 2006: After the success of the "concept" presentation in Milan and following the great response from fans, Ducati has decided to begin producing the Ducati Hypermotard. From its first moment in the public eye, last November at the EICMA trade show in Milan, the Ducati Hypermotard has had incredible success. The Ducati Hypermotard received worldwide recognition and was awarded "Best of Show" during its debut at EICMA and "Best Bike for 2005" by the Motorcycle Design Association. The announcement was made by Federico Minoli, President and CEO of Ducati Motor Holding, on the Desmoblog, "With the enthusiasm shown by Ducatisti and the work done in research and development, we have decided to add the Ducati Hypermotard to our production schedule, without giving anything else up. We are also going to reduce the development time thanks to the work done while the bike was still a concept. I am therefore proud to announce that the Hypermotard will be available in a dealership near you in the Spring of 2007." The Ducati Hypermotard incarnates the strength, the fun and the high performance of an extreme supermotard - re-thought in pure Ducati style: 100 hp weighing just 175 Kg (385 lbs); an idea, a dream for every biker that today will become a reality and will be added to the amazing Ducati line-up. The Ducati Hypermotard will be in dealer showrooms in Spring 2007. | ||
| Jimincalif |
Can somebody explain to me how this would be cooler than an XB Buell of similar weight and power? Because what I see is: * Taller, so flopping it around will be slower; * Worse aerodynamics; * Longer-travel suspension which is fine but...gives you what exactly on the street? What am I missing here? Esp. $4k worth of missing? | ||
| Blake |
It just looks wicked cool. If the longer suspension works as well as the one on the Uly, it is a plus. Tall folks will dig it. Come on Jim, have some Sussidio Freddo ("Kuell-Aid" in Italiano)! It's all good.  The biggest obstacle holding me back is the lack of local dealership and having to perform valvetrain adjustments so often. I just ain't up for having to deal with that. That's just me though. If they could get the interval up to 20K miles, that would be great. | ||
| Court |
>>>Award winning concept bike will be in showrooms Spring 2007 To quote James Taylor, at the Beacon Theatre when a heckler yelled "We love you" from the back of the house. . .
Bring it on. Court | ||
| Xldevil |
I won't buy a bike I can't wrench on myself. Period. End of discussion.  |
