| Author | Message | ||
     Bigun283 |
does anyone have a bub bad dog exhaust? they look pretty cool and it's the only 2 to 2 exhaust I know of for a S1 white lightning? are there any others? | ||
| Seance |
I would LOVE to see a 2 to 2 on a Buell,like the XLCR 750, has anyone seen that on a Buell? Pictures? | ||
| Eisanmann |
Heres the Bub's on a '99 M2.  check-out the plaque! | ||
| Matty |
Seance, check out the Sundance website. http://www.Sundance.co.jp/ Man-o-man, I wish I travelled to Japan more | ||
| Bigblock |
Hi guys, Mike at Streetwise(www.streetwise.cc) has a new set of pipes in development for X1's called "Twice Pipes" which exit up under the rear seat. his 3 quart oil bag will also be required to allow routing of the twin exhaust. Unfortunately he doesn't have pics of it on his website yet, but I have seen the prototype on one of his X1s and those pipes look BAD! They will be 2" dia. for big inch applications, but will come with a long torque valve for stock displacement motors. There is a pic of the bike w/ pipes in his new catalog, which you can probably get by contacting him through his website, or calling him | ||
| Bigblock |
at 415 883 8808 Mike's a great guy, and he's also making a wicked single seater for X1s, take about 15 pounds off yer bike! (no, I don't work for him, disclaimer, etc.) Ray | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Had my Daytona BOSS mounted up yesterday by my dealer...what a mess! Long story short...they had nothing good to say about the mounting hardware, and it really didn't fit the stock brackets all that well. They got it on, but put a nasty disclaimer in the receipt paperwork. Loki - You have the Boss on yours...how does this sound to you...my front mount is pushed together at the top, and it is mounted along one side of the stock bracket (instead of both sides straddling it). The rear bracket is mounted to the inner hole of the Z bracket (more forward) with a metal spacer so that the pipe isn't too close to the wheel. Anyhow, I'm not really crazy about this mounting...I hope Buell helps to develop better mounting hardware when they start selling these things themselves. | ||
| Marks3tbillet |
Any S3 or X1 owners installed a Daytona Boss muffler? I'm curious about your combination. I was thinking of trying the Race ECM, ATC air cleaner and the Daytona Boss. Any advice or thoughts on this combo? Thanks for any response. | ||
| Loki |
Drew, Way wrong! Take it back to them to try again. They might as well learn how to do it correctly. 1) The header will need to be loosened up at the heads. provides some freedom for getting the front clamp into position. 2) The front clamp MUST straddle the the old style mount. If they got the front clamp to close all the way up I will be impressed. 3) The rear clamp DOES NOT require any spacers. When the front clamp is installed -straddling the mount- the rear will line up correctly. This negates the need for a spacer on the rear. From the sounds of what you now have. There is little overlap of the muffler and header. There is stress on the head flange bolts- we do not want this. The pipe will tuck in further when it is hung correctly. Any other questions let me know. Hey give me the shop and a name with a number. On tues morn I can give them a call and explain this to the guy that actually did the job. loki loki | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Loki - It sounds like we have different mounting hardware...it looks that way from the pic you posted a while back as well. My front bracket is large enough to close around the pipe, and so I think the Buell mechanic thought that if he left it "open" (by) straddling the mount, it would allow too much play. As for the rear, are you using the front hole, which is closer to the middle of the bike? With this mount, the mechanic was concerned about how close the pipe comes to the rear wheel without using a spacer. The way he put the thing on, it hangs pretty freely...I don;t think that the header is stressed. Nevertheless, it's going to bother me...time to call Rek! Maybe he knows someone up this way that has installed a couple of these, and they could eyeball the problem in person. Thanks for your help, Loki, and the offer to call my service place...I may take you up on that! | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Loki - Okay, here's the Boss update. I called Rek and explained my dealer's mounting of the pipe....he said everything is great except for that they should have put the "rubber donut" between the two flanges. The flanges (at least on this newer bracket)are supposed to be on the side (facing out) of the Buell stock hanger...not straddling it as yours does. So, mounting order, outside to in, is 1. Bolt 2. washer 3. Boss bracket flange 4. Rubber donut 5. Boss bracket flange 6. Buell hanger (with isolator installed) 7. washer 8. nut As far as the rear goes, he said that you can use a spacer if the pipe hangs too close to the tire. I know that you heard your mounting instructions from Rek as well, so I guess the story changes with each version of bracketry! Oh, well...as long as it's safe, that all I'm really concerned about. | ||
| Seance |
Matty: That site has some cool stuff! I don't know about the height on some of those though, would preclude a passenger, I would think. Those pipes get pretty damn hot! | ||
| Loki |
Drew, Seems the story changes from time to time. I think the front clamp straddling the hanger is better for the isolator lasting. the way yours is hung is correct and by his word mine is hung proper also. Probably depends on just how much overlap you want where the boss and header meet. I still think they need to come up with some decent instructions to be included. Even if the sheet just had a picture of the finished install... loki | ||
| Bigblock |
Seems the production Twice Pipes by Streetwise will be 1 3/4 flaring to 1 7/8 after 2 ft, 2" last foot or so, seems 2" is way too big to run all the way, too much turbulence, no low end. Ha! Just what I said when I saw the prototype! He'll have the neww catalog online this week, maybe. | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Loki - I agree with you! I'm hoping that, if or when Buell starts selling these things, they'll have to design hangers that are compatable with the hardware on the bike (a z bracket, for example). I'm keeping my ears open...when that bracketry comes out, the Boss will be near perfect....it sounds awesome! | ||
| Tomx1 |
I have my Boss bolted up like Loki's, but I look at it now and it is not real tight on the pipe. I will be putting a bunch of parts on this weekend and think I might try it your way Drew. I also agree that they should include some instructions and I love that sound too! Anyone have the 3 inch pipe? Is there a big diference in sound? Rek told me it would blow the windows out of my house. | ||
| Mileagemike |
Good god, I hate to even ask this question but... I have brand new (no kidding) '98 S1W. I would like some input re: exhaust alternatives. I have a '98 S3 that I have installed a Forcewinder, race module, Thunderslide kit and V&H can. I got all kinds of mid range but never quite got my top end. My '99 X1 is EFI and uses the race kit, love it! As we all know this is not a viable option at this time for my poor little S1W, so this is what I am thinking: Race air intake Race module Thunderslide kit Exhaust???? I do not want this thing ungodly loud (i.e KT/Kooks). Any suggestions out there? If so, what were results you have experienced. Thanks -Mike- | ||
| Tripper |
OHGOD. Another outbreak of AaronWilsonItis! Mike: If you really want a Buell Race System there are some in dealers inventories. Somewhere around here is a message from Jerome who found at least 2 dealers with Race Pipes in stock. Call TAT at ASB and ask him if he can get West Tek to build you a system. It's awesome, but West Tek is hard to deal with. Let TAT do it. Pammy at CycleRama has in stock the coolest dual system I ever saw. It's has no collecter but is 2 pipes into the muffler and all the way through. Darn if I can remember the brand. I haven't seen any dyno reports on it. Pammy, what is that system? | ||
| Aaron |
I'm not sure I like this whole concept of having a disease named after me  ... hey, there are worse things to be addicted to. | ||
| Jerome |
Mike : here's a share of my own very recent experience. On my European 2000 M2 Cyclone, I started to installed a SuperTrapp IDS on the stock 2" header. Got a very nice and impressive boost of torque at low rpm but I lost at the same time a large amount of power at high revs. I decided then to replace my european stock 2" header with the american stock 2.5" header. Result : Power was back at high revs but I lost a large part of the torque gained during the previous exhaust change... I've then decided to go for the race kit header, together with the SuperTrapp. The Trapp is one of the very few mufflers which fit straight to the race header. The interest of the race header is that the two individual collectors are about 10" longer than stock, thanks to the shorter muffler allowing this. It took me a few months to find the so-much-desired race header but with the help of KenW on this forum, I finally found one at St Paul HD/Buell in Minnesota. These guys are really nice by the way. Not only did they accept to do business with a remote customer like me (I'm in France...) but also they made a big discount due to the high shipping cost. I've received the race header yesterday and installed it immediately. I've ridden about 200 miles since then and I have just one word : great ! Incredible how the Buell can be sensitive to the collector length ! Seat of the pant speaking, I feel a huge gain everywhere. I mean, really everywhere. My Cyclone revs now like never before, it stretches my arms from 2K to 6.2K and it's gorgeous ! In addition, the sound is quite different as well ; at 2.5K, it tells you that you're riding two huge singles attached to each other ! I love it ! So in one word my recommendation : go for a race header with a SuperTrapp (if you can't get the race muffler, or if sound tuning is important for you). I now have made the experience about how much headers are important on the Buell, and not only the muffler. By the way, there are in principle and still two X1 race headers (with the threaded hole for the O2 sensor) available at HD/Buell of Boston, Massachussetts, and at HD/Buell of Gainesville, Florida. | ||
| Drandall |
Tripper, That system at Pammy's sounds like the newest Borla; this system is tested in the newest Battle2Win. | ||
| Rocketman |
Yeah dudes, but Mike da Miles wants info on his S1W. What this means Mike, is the X1 Race Kit will not suit the S1W. Still, you should go for the S1W Race Kit header and muffler if you can find them. Battle2win had some great results on the dyno shootouts with the race system. My personal experience says you'll loose a tiny amount at the very top end. If you're lucky enough to find these two items, you'd be better off getting the later redesigned muffler with the strengthened mounting bracket. Beware though, the headers have a habit of cracking at the 2 into 1 collector area. I had my muffler changed under warranty when the rear bracket broke, as for the headers, when they cracked, several months ago, I was told Buell were replacing them under warranty. I don't think this is ever going to happen though. I don't even think Buell are still making the headers for the S1W. As they are at the moment, the mig welder has held them together well. If I don't turn up some new headers soon, I'm gonna wrap 'em in bandage, like on Caps S1. I'm not paying over £300 for new ones, especially seeing as the ones I've located in the UK are old stock and I'm supposed to be getting sorted under warranty anyway. If you decide on this set-up, let us know how you got on. Rocket in England | ||
| Tripper |
You are correct sir! It was a Borla, and I can't find it on the new cool Borla site. And if your not getting Battle2Win your missing a good source of knowledge. They will sell you all the back issues cheap. Most all of the exhaust systems are compared to the Buell Race System as a baseline. | ||
| Jerome |
Rocket : was the front bracket originally welded on the race header on pre-99 versions ? Now it is provided separately from the header and both are held together with a clamp. In my opinion, it should be a long lasting system. Mike, you can probably see also with Tat at ASB for a Westek header for S1W. He may still have it available. The Westek is basically a copy of the race header. And Tat is the individual able to deal efficiently with Westek. | ||
| Mileagemike |
Thanks everyone for the info. on stink pipes. It seems like the new Borla is the only info. I have not been privy to. Does anyone have one, what were the results, does it break windows, fit well? Short of calling Reg., how do we know it's in the next B2win? I have until mid-March before I put the S1W together so a little more research is doable. | ||
| Jiml |
Mileagemike, First off I don't have the Borla (complete exhaust system) headers and muffler. But I've seen two of them and they looked very nice and well made. Now in the latest issue of Battle2Win Volume 4 Issue 1 you'll be able to read and see the Borla system. On their web site which doesn't offer alot of info the complete exhaust made from T-304 stainless steel Part No# 25065 @ $482.99 for an S1W. Hope that this is what your looking for. I do know that the Buell Race header is still available but the muffler isn't. later, jiml | ||
| V2win |
I ordered the 25065 Borla some time ago. As it turned out, they had some problems with the first few batches they made. I finally received mine the other day. It is supposed to be the latest design. When I put it on, I will post the results. I now have a Buell race pipe and muffler on the bike but have had to weld the muffler twice so far. To its credit, I have put many thousands of miles on it before the vibes started getting to it. If I dont like the Borla performance I will probably end up with the Buell race pipe and an automotive Supertrap muffler on the bike. Will let you know. | ||
| Mileagemike |
Thanks Jim L and V2win. I look forward to hearing your opinion vs Race Kit. Hurry up, my wallet is throbbing, need to relieve pressure soon!! | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
The Boss Pipe continues to frustrate me! Nothing has broken, yet. But, the mounting of the thing with the bracketry they supplied is an accident waiting to happen...it is a struggle to get the bolt holes to match up...the bracket just isn't the right size...and this has to put a stress on the header. The "donut" is designed to fit around the metal clamps (when pushed together) and form a shock absorber around it....clever, but the holes in the bracket are not large enough for the stem in the middle of the donut. You could drill the hole out, but I don't think that would do good things for the integrity of the bracket. I wish I were somewhere near Daytona Buell..I'd have them install it!! I wonder if I could find someone to make a clamp to use with this thing. Do you thing a muffler shop (automotive) would be a good place to start? | ||
| Loki |
Drew, Go back and take a look at my front mounting again. I have not had any problems with it this way. The alternative would be welding TWO tabs to the pipe. So it would be like the stock mount on the stock muffler. Why don't the stock pipes break here? I think it is because the two are used vs. the single everyone else seems to sport. Just my opinion here..... loki |
