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Daman
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 04:11 pm: | 
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Ford or Holden had an Interceptor. I think they used it in the Mad Max movies. |
Doughnut
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 04:26 pm: |
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 1974 Jensen Interceptor III. Found this on E-bay. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 05:33 pm: |
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Thanks Damen, that was the one I was asking about. The Mad Max one. Always wondered if it was a real car or just one made for the movie. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 06:58 pm: |
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I don't often buy the car mag's but I picked one up recently in the shop and had a little browse. Wish I could remember which mag it was but anyway they run a test every year to find the quickest road legal car via a series of tests involving acceleration from certain points and top speeds. I don't believe handling is an issue otherwise the result might well have been very different.
Anyway there are some way tasty motor cars in the test believe you me. The most powerful and exotic in the world amongst them. This years test was one for the first time by a motorcycle (ogf which . A GSXR1000.
Rocket |
Nevar
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 07:28 pm: |
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Hopefully this has been said 20 times already (too lazy to look at the archived posts)...
In these "car vs bike" and "my bike vs other bike" posts it is invariably one rider vs another rider (or driver). I wish I had a dime for every post that started out "... I raced this guy on a <insert bike here> and I blew him away.. blah, blah, blah..." There are so many variables in these "races" that the results aren't worth much.
I've known guys that could get on a GoldWing and beat most riders on their sport bikes.
So. Yes. There are guys in Corvettes that can blow away riders on Buells and there are riders on Buells that can blow away drivers of Corvettes.
Tim |
Odie
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:39 am: |
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Yeah, it was the "Back to the Future" version!! Typo on my part. Still tired from the long weekend on the lake. It was '86.
Thanks Wycked, for the flashback! I'll take one of the Jensens though. Nice cars.... |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:34 pm: |
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OH JESUS HERE I GO
I was trying to stay out of this... but I'm as impulsive as the next guy.
I own a Ducati 749S and Buell XB12R. Until last year, I also owned a 2001 Corvette Z06. Hadn't done anything with it other than exhaust.
My 'vette smoked both my bikes hands down in a straight line. In the twisties, 'vette beats Duc. With the Buell, it will really depend on the rider. It could go either way. I know I felt a hell of a lot more confident throwing the 'vette into a corner I can't see around. Having said that, I'll repeat what I think I already mentioned a while back.
Most of us did not buy Buells because they are fast. They are fast enough but they are not the fastest by any stretch of the imagination.
We (most of us) bought AMERICAN. We buy American when we can. We buy things that set us apart in one way or the other. We don't want a "me too" bike. I just laugh to myself when I see a group of guys riding down PCH all on CBR600 F4's. They may have different colors but thats about it. No real class.
Im sure we (most of us) would love to own all American products, especially in this time we live in. Problem is, no American company makes a stereo worth owning that costs less than our Buells did. So we are bound by economics to some things. I feel like Tojo has invaded my living room, but I love my stereo and tv.
One more thing: I know my Buell is not the fastest bike. We all know it. BUT: I beat faster bikes on the street every day, because it all depends on the skill and the balls of the other rider. I have found that most riders on GSXR 1000's or Busa's or Ducati's tend to quit right around 130mph. I don't know about you all, but I still have at least 20 left in my throttle at that speed. And I use it. Every time. Anything over 100 is a jailable offense in California, so you may as well go all the way every time.
BTW don't try to drag race a Mercedes S55. You will lose, starting at any speed. We started racing at 110mph, and that guy left me like yesterdays news... On my Ducati. When I maxed out around 170, he was nowhere to be seen.
My $.02 and then some |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 01:11 pm: |
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"In the twisties, 'vette beats Duc."
Just curious... you know this how? |
Spike
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 02:43 pm: |
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quote:My 'vette smoked both my bikes hands down in a straight line.
Do you have any evidence to back that up? Every 1/4 mile spec I can find for those vehicles indicates that both bikes are at least half a second faster than the 'vette in a straight line. What makes you think your vette was that much faster than your bikes? |
Dagwood
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 02:53 pm: |
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New Corvette Z06
Top Speed 198
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/17402/type/new/ye ar/2006/make/Chevrolet/model/Corvette |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 03:26 pm: |
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Spike, I am going to guess, that he is comparing HIS quarter times to his own quarter times on his bikes. Its a fair assesment in those terms.
I still stand behind my feelings that a bike, not just a Buell, ESPECIALLY after watching Mr Ferris on his FJ1300 with Passenger up thru 89A squirt his way around traffic while chasing M1combat that a car is at a distinct disadvantage BECAUSE of traffic. You can have all the power in the world, and the handling you want, but when you have to deal with traffic at the same time, a bike can squirt thru spots a car just won't fit. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 03:50 pm: |
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Ummm, I thought we were talking about Canyons?
Anyway, yeah, many cars will keep up with and even be a great deal faster than an XB in a straight line as long as you're not starting from a stop.
I rolled on with a Z4 once from about 60. We were dead even up to about 135 (when my limiter kicked in). SAME with a Dodge Neon SRT-4 (I don't know if either had any mods). From a standing start though, I waxed the Z4 up to 100 and I'm sure the same thing would have happened to the Neon.
Outright top speed... Yeah... most sports cars are capable of more than 135 so in a drag race down I40 from here to Florida, the car will win...
A canyon road however (you know, where the men are separated from the boys) a Vette, Viper, 911, F40, Mercialago, S2000, Supra, Mustang, pretty much ANY production based vehicle will NOT keep up with a bike. They'll be reasonably close... I don't mean to say that you'll just blow their doors off and never see them again, but they aren't capable enough to overcome the disadvantage of having a road that's only 10% wider than they are vs. a bike who has a road about 5X as wide. The wider the road, the less that advantage means, but on a tight canyon road (the Dragon, 191, or the Spars to name a few) it introduces a HUGE disadvantage for the car.
The red lines are the inner and outer car tires, the pinkish line is, of course, the center line of the car and the blue is the bike's line...
Granted, the car could have taken a slightly better line, but I'm at work and I'm a little pressed for time...
You get the picture now? Turns are sharper in cars... therefore, the car needs a pretty large reserve of mechanical grip to out corner a bike. This hold true in all turns except where you find a rumble strip that a car can use and a bike can not. You will notice though, that even if there WERE rumble strips there, the setup of the car needs to be compromised in order to use them AND they still can't get as far out as a bike on turn entry because you don't want to be on the strip when you're on the brakes. Bad things happen. You can generally use the strips on the outside coming out but only if you either have down force or less than about 700 HP (depending on tires and differential setup). The outside will lose traction and the other tire will try to rotate the car to the outside just like it tries to rotate the car to the inside on the brakes.
To summarize... Corners are nearly always sharper in a car. The car must have more cornering speed capability (read lateral acceleration) than a bike to make up for the need to negotiate a tighter turn. The tighter the turn, the more they need in reserve. |
Wind_eater
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 03:56 pm: |
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Spike, i dont know how you launch but my 12 is wheelie prone if i nail it hard.
getting a good clean launch is very hard and i think a vette driver would have a decent advantage since a car is much easier to drag race than a bike is. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 04:04 pm: |
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" NO" |
Apex_assasian
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 04:35 pm: |
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dang i thought this was a mustang thread. |
Nevar
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 04:44 pm: |
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Several years ago there was a "car vs bike" contest in a (car?) magazine: 97 YZF1000R (ThunderAce) vs Dodge Viper - car won.
About a year or two ago there was another "car vs bike" contest: GSXR1000 vs Corvette - bike won. In this test the bike and car were driven by the same racer-dude Schwantz (sp?).
Maybe someone here could fill in the details of these two tests...
Tim |
Nevar
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 04:58 pm: |
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I'm sort of talking out of my @ss here so slap me if I'm completely off the mark...
When I was young (late 60s) the Corvette was a true "Muscle Car" but it wasn't much of a "Sports Car". But it seems that over the years (how time flies) it has evolved into a real Sports Car where cars like the Camaro/FireBird, Mustang, etc. are still just "Muscle Cars".
Tim |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 05:17 pm: |
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My 00 M2 vs a 06 vette, stoplight and lower gear roll-on type stuff, I was waxing my buddy in his 06 vette. I'm sure I would wax him in the canyons, but that is a function of rider vs driver in our case, if I had a vette, too, I would wax him in a drag race or a canyon, too, so I don't know how valid a comparo it is. I think the stoplight and esp the roll on stuff was fairly accurate.
Z51, not a ZO6. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 05:21 pm: |
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of course, I have waxed some liter bikes in the twisties with my 66 SS chevelle, and had the reverse happen as well. It seems, the tighter the road, the harder to stay with the bikes, in my somewhat limited but admitably insane experiences. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 05:24 pm: |
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oh yeah, M2 not stock, cams, pipe, aircleaner and carb work. |
Bkw_bmw
| | Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 11:10 am: |
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A few years old but still amusing/interesting.
http://www.rsportscars.com/Acentral/video/c4vsr1.wmv
Bcube |
Tatsu
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 02:47 am: |
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My buddy and I got humbled by a Ford F110 and in a hairpin turn no less. However, after his NOS ran out, we smoked him like he was standing still. My friend was riding a R6. I had to back off in the hair pin turn cause I thought the truck was going to flip. When we passed him, we saw that the truck was all "tricked" out. Was fun while his NOS lasted. |
Xring
| | Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 07:06 am: |
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It's amazing how fast even ordinary cars/trucks can corner when driven without regard for safety.
Bill |
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