| Author | Message | ||
     Loki |
Justin, pics should be up later today. What I got from him was that the pipe had to hung so as to use the bushing. The pipe should remain isolated from the hanger. Sorry bout not getting the pics up on sunday. The ride home yesterday tore me up pretty good. I believe I have one of the worst things to live with. TMJ(bad cartlidge in my jaw) aint much fun. You should catch me out eating. I get people to actually stop eating to see where the popping is coming from. The bad part is what you can do for other joints can't be done for this. Now feel much better. Gonna rehang the pipe in the a.m. loki | ||
| Jmartz |
Yes, length is the only difference, and of course, the location of the collector. | ||
| Loki |
One of the two proper ways to hang the front clamp on the Daytona BOSS  | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Loki, Good picture, thanks. The mount just looks too loose like that. Like there's no support, and there might end up being problems with the pipe moving forward and back, breaking header bolts, etc. Plus my clamp seemed to push the two flanges flat together quite naturally, did you have to bend your tabs to get them to lay flat like that on either sides of the bushing? Thanks again for the pic, I'll take another look at my mount today, but I think I'll leave it the way it is for now. -Justin | ||
| Loki |
Justin, Believe me it is not loose. The gap is because the clamp sits at the start of the bend in the pipe. the rear clamp will keep it from shifting. The front clamp is there to support the pipe and absorb the vibes. otherwise it will shake itself to shreds. The M2 that was sitting in the shop had the same look to it. My tabs wouldn't come any closer together than this without some serious rebending. This is one of the ways Rek showed me. The other would have put the bushing halves between the tab and bolt head and the nut and tab. loki | ||
| Gundog |
I went to the local dealer to pick up some new front bushings. Out of stock and no longer available. New front bracket is $80. The parts man had no intention of giving me one for free. I'm not even sure the new bracket will work on my Bullett muffler, as it only has one tab in front. What to do? Dale 99M2 | ||
| Junior |
I talked to Rek about the BOSS and getting some dyno #'s. He said it only gives a 9.5 hp gain! Now that sounds low compared to Vance & Hines claim of 12 hp and Borla's claim of 15 hp! To get the best performance I've been told to go with the Streetfighter race pipe, Forcewinder and boar out the carb to 41! I would appreciate any info about the Streetfighter Race pipe. How loud it is, looks on M2 ect. | ||
| Ccryder |
Gundog: The new front header support will work on any muffler that the the old one worked on. Instead of going in between the flanges on the stock exhaust, it goes on the outside of the flanges. The new support will actually fit more scenarios than the old style. All you may need are some washers or short lenghts of tube to adjust the fit. As far as the cost, talk to your Service Manager, the Parts guy is there to sell parts, that's his job. Neil S. | ||
| Seeeu911 |
The picture Loki posts of how the Boss front clamp is great. I've mounted my front clamp the same and now have more than 1k miles ...hard miles and 0 problems. I did use a new factory bushing. Gundog: Tat sells a more durable(harder) poly bushing. I have a spare e-mail me off line and I'll mail if you want. The old mount will work fine. The new mount, IMHO is truly only necessary for tab welded mufflers only. | ||
| Dave |
Another option Gundog, Tat @ ASB has a similar bushing for about $20 and lasts way longer. I'd also think there are a few of the stock bushing kits out there in dealerships still ... "IF" a parts guy could be persuaded to do a little checking. I'd also find it hard to believe your service department wouldn't upgrade your exhaust hanger to the new version at no cost since there is a problem with the old one. Unimaginable Buell/Buell dealerships would be that way ... ;-) DAve | ||
| Gundog |
Thanks guys. The dealer I went to has only been carrying Buells for 4-5 months. Tuesday I'll check out my regular Buell shop. They ought to give me a mount for free, especially after the soaking I took when I bought my last rear tire from them. If they don't, I'll go to Tat for a poly bushing. | ||
| Loki |
Junior, The BOSS and Force set-up are great for the street as far as go power is concerned. Together they put down a fat band from about 3k to 5K. Yes there are set-ups that will give you a higher peak HP in the upper revs. My $.02 says put it where you are most likely to be able to use it. That is if you are gonna live above 5500 put it together for that. If streetable is what you want, then shoot to boost the 3-5K range. Donn, the confusion set in when the rear clamp closed all the way and then the front only goes so far. At least it is straightened out now. loki | ||
| Buddah |
Gundog & Loki, 'Bout that front mount.... Loki -- great pic. But, my front mount has already been "upgraded" to the new one. I guess I'll have to do some homework to see if the "new and improved" hanger will accept the BOSS mount. Gundog - don't take a BS tap dance answer from your dealer. My exhaust system has failed 11 times and each and every time my dealership has smiled and gotten tight on fixing my bike. Your dealership (assuming that your bike is still under warranty) should replace your front mount with the new version as soon as it fails. If they don't you should contact the Customer Service number right away and pitch a fit. See if they can levy some support for your cause. If you need the number drop me an e-mail and I'll shoot it your way. Cheers, Buddah | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Thanks for all of the input on the earplug situation! I think I'll heed the advice. Loki - Great pictures of the Boss front mount. Where does the "rubber doughnut" mount? Did you use it? Junior - I have heard the Steetfighter pipe at the dealership on an M2. It is an absolute monster! I heard the Buell Race Kit back to back with the Streetfighter, and it is MUCH louder! Seriously, when you rev it, it makes people jump. Too loud for my taste! | ||
| Loki |
Buddah, This my opinion here. From the looks of things(I have looked at new hanger)I would think the Boss CAN be hung using it. The ears of the clamp would fit in between instead of around the mount. The ears might have a little material remved for this to happen. Lets look at the differences here: The original hanger fit between the tabs on the stock muffler. The new hanger fits on the outside of the tabs on the stock muffler. Now thw Boss front clamp mounts like the former, around the original hanger. Therefore the BOSS front clamp should fit between the new hangers mounts(bushings and ears). The trick will be getting the clamp compressed and being able to hold it until it can be placed. If the clamp does not compress enough to hold the pipe firmly, the real hard part will be getting some ss washers between the clamp and the mount bushings to snug it up. my $.02 here M2drew, The thing is you really do not need it. Further investigation makes me think it was intended to replace the stock bushing in the hanger. The hole thru it is big enuff for the bolt. Therefore it would be squeezed into the hanger opening with the stock bushing removed. The material does have a higher durometer rating than than the stock piece. loki | ||
| Richy |
Is it worth swapping the old exhaust hanger with the new one or just go with the poly bushings? Any advice would be helpful. Is the new hanger really the cure-all. I have a 2000 x1. | ||
| Rocketman |
Nothing is louder than a gutted Race Pipe, is it ? As for power, Jose is right in my opinion, you'll get a fatter amount of power everywhere except the top end where you'll loose a little. Rocket in england | ||
| Mitchs2 |
Loki & Buddah, I have installed the updated exhaust mount bracket on my 99M2. I have spent many hours in my shop trying to fit a Daytona Boss pipe to the updated backet, including trying to make my own version of the front mounting clamp. I find it impossible to line up the holes on the pinch clamp ears with the holes on the updated bracket without creating severe tension in the headers and the pipe. I learned a long time ago this is very short sighted. An exhaust system must hang without tension before bolting it together. I love the looks of the pipe and truly want to make it work. I (and probably many others) would appreciate any additional information you may learn about mounting the Daytona Boss to the updated bracket. MitchS2 | ||
| Loki |
MitchS2, did you try and shorten the ears of the clamp? From what I can see on mine is that they are way to long. With a little grinding I think it ought to fit. The amount of material removed from the pinch clamp should not affect its integrity. Some day I will get the updated bracket and experiment. loki | ||
| Ccryder |
Richy: I opted for the new header support on my 2000 X-1 at my own $0.05. I felt that it was worth the extra warm fuzzy feeling and the smoothness. The rubber isolator donuts can be moved inboard or outboard quite a bit and then I took up the remainder of the space either with tubeing or just washers. I have tried this mount with the White Brothers, Borla's, V&H, Supertrap IDS and of course stock. It is a MUCH better method of mounting than the previous method. From an engineering stanpoint, my hat is off to that Engineer.  I know he had a battle to fight to cost justify the the new and better design. Later Neil S. | ||
| V2win |
I have also installed the new exhaust hanger. I am running the Buell race exhaust. I am having trouble getting the race bracket to line up with the new hanger. Its off about 1/4". I have an old race bracket that I am thinking of ripping apart and rewelding so it will align with the new hanger properly. Or I might just take off the new hanger and put the old style bracket back on with the poly bushing. The new hanger looks like something that should be on a Ford tractor, not a motorcycle but I was willing to use it if it would help with the vibration problem. It was my understanding that it would work with all factory exhaust but it sure does not work too well on mine. | ||
| Drandall |
I just installed a Supertrapp IDS muffler with the new '01 muffler mount with no problems. | ||
| Gearloose |
Loki,I should be getting my BOSS 3in in mid Jan.Rek says. Question,does the rear clamp attach to the engine or to the original Buell rear muff. bracket? Thanks Gearloose | ||
| Ricky |
David, what is the difference between the IDS mount and the '01 mount? (assuming you are talking about the stock muffler mount) | ||
| Mitchs2 |
Loki,V2win- Thanks for the feedback. My problem appears to be two things. First, the Daytona pipe does not center with the updated bracket. Second, the holes in the pinch clamp are too low to get the bolt through the updated exhaust mount without prying with a long punch and putting a ton of stress on the headers etc. I tried to make a prototype offset clamp out of a piece of aluminum 7/8 strap but was not able to get a 2.5 radius I was happy with. If I can't do it in aluminum I sure as heck won't be able to do it with 304 stainless without professional bending tools. I think an offset clamp with higher holes may be the answer. A second possible solution might be to make spacers which would move the updated bracket so it centers on the pipe. The spacers would fit between the case and the bracket which would require longer bolts. The updated exhaust mount bracket kit is 200% better than the old bracket. I hope I can find a solution before the riding season begins in the spring. I will keep working on it and remain open to any ideas my Buellish friends on this bulletin board may have. Thanks again, MitchS2 | ||
| Loki |
Gearloose, Mine mounted up perfectly with the forward mount boss on the rear hanger. Mitch, Ping me off line. I have and idea or two. Just need more in depth info from you. bnill@spacey.net loki | ||
| Drandall |
Ricky, I didn't word my message correctly. I installed the '01 muffler mount kit, and the Supertrapp bolted up perfectly. David | ||
| Richieg150 |
Just bought a Molten orange 2000 M2,looks and rides great.I have heard alot about the BOSS pipe,was wondering how the Borla pipe sounds?I have only 200 miles on my bike and have been run on the shoulder 3 times because of car drivers not seeing me or hearing me.Am looking for a performance pipe that will add more horsepower and a louder pipe.So far the Borla pipe claims to make the most horsepower!Thanks for any help or advise! | ||
| Loki |
Richie, Which ever set-up you go with.... Find the set-up that will work with your daily riding habits the best. My M2 has a BOSS and FORCEWINDER on it. I can say it has the kick where I want it. right in the midddle of the rpm bands. That is from 3k-5k is real mean now. I have also tailored my habits to keep the bike just over 3k. When I roll on the gas it responds yesterday.... on the shoulder eh? Guess what, even with the BOSS I am still very wary. Twice now with the BOSS someone did not hear or see me, probably just didn't care. Then again I am in ORB city.... loki | ||
| Jerome |
BONNE ANNEE A TOUS !!! And a request for help and recommandation : Woz has been so kind to try to find for me a X1/S3 race kit header in the Bay area but unfortunately without success. Any chance that another Buell dealer somewhere in the States has ready on the shelf such header and would be considering to ship it overseas ? The reference is 65400-99Y. Buell-France says that it is unavailable on this side of the Atlantic... Deep thanks in advance. ET BONNE SANTE ! | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Loki, I'm loving the midrange on my M2 with the Force/Boss combo as well. What guys don't realize when they're looking at some of V&H and Borla's numbers on the dyno is that those numbers are top end improvements. On the highway running 80-85 I'm still just above 4000 rpm in fifth, so I still have plenty of extra pull. Now if you're going 140 mph all day long, then by all means go all top end, but most average riders and red light drag racers like myself will never see those kind of speeds. Just my two bits -Justin | ||
| Richieg150 |
Thanks for the input about the BOSS and Borla exhaust.I have already bought a Screaming Eagle airfilter,and installed it.I had never heard of the Force.I am planning to get a Thunderslide carb kit,and an pipe.Will the Boss pipe do well with that combo,or should I go to another pipe?After just buying the airfilter I have,I really dont want to buy the Force if what I intend to put togeather will work well togeather.Thanks for any advice!I was told by some Buell riders here,Kansas City Missouri,to purchase the airfilter I now have!Guess I'll live and learn! | ||
| Richieg150 |
I have another question,since I havent even got my bike broke in yet,dont even have 200 miles on it yet.I am trying to break the motor in slow,I was told this is better for HD motors!?I was wondering on the average just what kind of top end does a 2000 M2 going to have?As I said I havent had my bike over about 80 for just a few seconds trying to catch up with a couple of other riders.But the bike seemed to have alot left!Thanks again for your replys!! | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Rich I think the top speed for the stock Lightning is around 135, so the Cyclone is probably in the high 120's stock, 130's with new intake, jetting, and pipe. The highways here in Colorado are pretty good with minimal traffic and sparse law enforcement, so I run along at 100 mph when I'm feeling rowdy. 80-90 mph is very comfortable on the Cyclone though, and the bike feels very stable. Of course the trick is finding long smooth stretches of road to run like that on. Top end is not the Buell's strong suit, obviously. Around town though, teenagers on rice rockets are quickly learning not to race with me and my "funny" looking muscle bike. With the punch I've picked up in the mid-range with the force and BOSS combo I can go 0-60 with any Yamahsucki, and most of them won't dare pull up alongside me for fear of losing face to a "Harley." The only bikes I've come across that have smoked me are my boss' CBR 929 RR with an $1000 Akrapovic exahust, and a guy with a hopped-up Hayabusa. Of course both of those bikes clock in at 170 mph plus, so 60 mph isn't even second gear. Justin | ||
| Chuck |
Hey Rich, Don't tell my wife; but I topped my M2 out at just over 130 mph. That was with a stock exhaust and a Drag Specialties filter and screen (click my name to view photo) I now have a Vance and Hines SS2R installed but have not yet tried a top speed run. Don't want to make a frequent habit of "calling" the cops  | ||
| Tripper |
Richie; and any other Buell riders in KC area: We are assembling a list of Buell riders in KC. Please email me with your contact info if you'd like to get together for Buell rides. | ||
| Loki |
Justin, Good to hear you like the combo. Richie, The SE set-up will work just fine with the BOSS. While I was visiting with Rek that was mentioned as a good fit for a combination. Chuck, Doesn't the M2 feel at home up there. On a good road it feels so silky smooth. For me at least the bad part is 80-85mph. Just feels rough and likes to shake its head a little. Just a buffeting effect only. loki | ||
| Chuck |
Hey Bryan, On a smooooth road, I suppose it would "feel good"; but this road was a little uneven, and I wasn't sure at the time that my wheels were always on the ground. Please read my post in the Suspension Section. Thanks  | ||
| Fastback69 |
Can the race header be bought seperately? | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Hi all - Well, I've listened to Loki, spoke with Rek, and decided to go with the Daytona BOSS for my M2. I guess I should have it in a week or so...I'm sure I'll be posting a million questions about the mounting hardware and crap like that! Otherwise, I may invest the money and pay for professional installation! I'll look at it and decide then I think. Drew | ||
| Nxtr |
Fastback69 I dont believe that the race header is available either I have been waiting since June 16 00 for a race header and muffler for my 00 X1. I have been told to be patient its being tested and all good things come to those who wait. I mean look on the bright side it's only been seven months, could be worse. I am hoping to get one by at least June 01. What really sucks is the fact that I am not wintered in I am in Hawaii, man waiting sucks. Maybe someone else has info on the target release date???, I also heard rumor even though I hate to repeat such inconclusive facts, that the new race setup may be related to the boss system however I can neither confirm or deny such details. I hope this helps. Aloha & Mahalo, Nick 00 X1 "Tropic" Lightning | ||
| Fastback69 |
Nxtr, I have to wait until the middle of this month to get my Wileyco pipe. I agree, waiting sux. | ||
| Loki |
Drew, ask all you want! There is only one stupid question in our world, thats the one you don't ask... Nick, Seems that a certian person(Rek) is hard at work. The rumor you heard is well based. loki | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Ditto what Loki said about the new race setup...I heard the Boss will be sold through Buell dealers in some kind of a spring supplement to the existing catalog...get 'em while they're hot! (and before Buell inflates the prices!) |
