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Sleez
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 07:12 pm: | 
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crombie, did you weigh a wheel assy, versus the cast unit, i would be interested in the comparison and the cost to duplicate.
i am quite interested! maybe in just buying the hubs and having the wheels made here somewhere???
(Message edited by sleez on August 19, 2005) |
Dana P.
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 09:11 pm: |
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HOW MUCH??AND WHERE??? |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 10:23 pm: |
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very cool, probably ride very smooth. what Dana P. said. |
Panic
| | Posted on Friday, August 19, 2005 - 10:50 pm: |
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"did you weigh a wheel assy, versus the cast unit"
That's apples and oranges.
What's the weight difference with the tube and rim liner in place?
What would the weight diff be if the spokes and hub were built to the same rigidity as cast (1/4" spokes?)?
Extra tire carcass temperature due to tube?
Interesting little "wiggle" as the tire shifts sideways on the tube during cornering?
About 2X as many flat tires?
Have fun truing the rim after a few hard starts!!
Your choice...
I'm looking for some drum brakes, point & coil ignition and friction shocks, because they look "different". |
Cerbero
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 12:25 am: |
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crombie: you've done it now... it looks like everyone (including me) wants to see more photos and more information on those spokes. |
Crombie
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 01:17 am: |
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Hey Panic
The drum brake sounds cool! The points would work well also since most don't rev about 6 grand anyway! As for the wheels they are little lighter than the stock wheels. When I work out all the little design flaws I will post about how much a set would cost, and where to go! |
Rex
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 06:51 am: |
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I didn't think I would like the spokes, but they look kind of cool.....
personally, I like my regular non spoke wheels...too hard to keep the spokes clean...looks different and good...thanks for posting.....REX |
Rex
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 06:52 am: |
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what might be cool, would be to get some of the old style, 60's huge dual drum brakes, etc. like used to be on some of the old honda and Yamaha road racers....REX |
Panic
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 09:21 am: |
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The weight discussion was done 30 years ago (Kimtab, etc.). The mag weighed slightly more, but the total weight was less because they can run tubeless - it's that close.
If you've ever tried to re-true a tweaked alloy rim (Guzzi 850) you know why I won't do it again.
Those also appear to be 90 degree heads on the spokes - guess what shape the head is when 900 ft/lb of torque (1st gear overall ratio) is applied? Yes, the head angle bends out, the spoke elongates and loosens. When the wheel relaxes the spoke more-or-less resumes it's original shape (like a con rod), but it only does this so many million times before it's either permanently deformed or broken.
The small "cotton spool" flange is lightest, easiest to design spokes for and assemble but the wheel is far less rigid than a drum with spokes laced to the OD. A spool hub has the spokes almost radial (despite the cross pattern), which offers only minimal resistance to rotation.
BTW: comparisons were done between mag and wire on the same car (without telling the driver) in the 1950s, and the extra flex of wires resulted in dangerous oversteer if only used in the rear. Moss used wheel choice as a tuning method on some tracks. The ride comfort was better - because the wires "squashed" on stiff bumps. |
Panic
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 09:25 am: |
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Lest I be mistaken for a style bigot, I have 120/90-19 tires on spoked WM4 alloy rims, front brake is 200mm twin leading shoe, on my ancient street bike (1934 chassis, big twin flathead motor). |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 01:11 pm: |
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I like wire spoked wheels. Don't like the maintenance required to keep them shiny though, on account of I'm lazy. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) So I appreciate and enjoy them on other peoples' bikes. |
Crombie
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 02:30 pm: |
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All done! |
Oldog
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 02:54 pm: |
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I don't know there blake, I got PM wheels keeping them clean and polished is a pita
PM = Polish Me! LOL 
Crombie that is one sweet looking sled nice job. 
keep us posted on tube related issues and truing. |
Crombie
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 02:54 pm: |
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I guess I got my idea from the new Ducati classic style motorcycles.
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Crombie
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 02:56 pm: |
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Thank you for all the comments. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 05:30 pm: |
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geez- thanks for the beautiful pictures, crombie!
where did you get those wheels?
they look beautiful.
that is one of the most beautiful buells i've evr seen, thanks to those wheels. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 05:35 pm: |
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Crombie,
Ever considered trimming the Sportster fat from your Cyclone's cam box cover?
Olddog,
So true. I avoid shiny stuff everywhere possible. ) |
Crombie
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 06:15 pm: |
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This is what I got the idea from.
I hope Ducati did there research on spoke wheels. |
Henrik
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 08:34 pm: |
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Very nice wheels, and great looking bike Darrin.
Henrik |
Crombie
| | Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 11:06 pm: |
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Thank you Henrik. |
Rex
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 12:01 am: |
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Love the wheels...thanks for sharing the photos....buells are coooool...rex |
Bubabuell
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 01:24 pm: |
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What kind of wheels are those? Nice work BTW. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 05:53 pm: |
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Looks great, Crombie, I like the style.
rt |
Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:47 am: |
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Crombie:
What year is the Duc?, looks kinda like an XB9 lightning rear end LOL
Blake:
I sure wish Lake Bueller would post pix of his powder coated PMs I live on the coast and trying to keep them lovelies clean and up to snuff is a ROYAL pita, I worry about the salt on the inside where I cant see or reach!
PM
 Polish Me
Pimp Machine
Pay Monthly
Plated Maybe
Probably Metal
(Message edited by Oldog on August 22, 2005)
I love em any way! 
(Message edited by Oldog on August 22, 2005) |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 08:40 am: |
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I can't believe you went to the trouble to get new spools made. If you can, post a picture of them.
Bravo! |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 08:49 am: |
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"The weight discussion was done 30 years ago (Kimtab, etc.)."
Now there's a reference that stirred up some dormant brain cells. I remember those old Kimtab cast wheels and disc brakes on Rokons back in the early 70's. They really looked odd back then when cast wheels and front and rear disc brakes weren't common even for streetbikes.
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Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 11:42 am: |
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holy cow!
DJ what archive did that come from
man you got some serious brain cells dormant or not
cool..... |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 12:29 pm: |
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It's an image I googled under "Rokon".
Some (most?) of my brain cells are on permanent vacation. |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Monday, August 22, 2005 - 09:47 pm: |
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I give the spoked wheels a big THUMBS UP!!! Nice job! |
Rex
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 02:44 am: |
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That is one of the retro ducatis....they have not hit the streets yet, but are coming soon. Woz has purchased the paul smart replica version.....the models were on display at laguna seca. rex |
Crombie
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 11:23 am: |
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Thanks Koz5150 for the compliment. I will have the price, and where to get them soon. If anyone is interested shoot me a e-mail. |
