| Author | Message | ||
     Briz31 |
Hi guys, Heres a big question for you all out there. Does anyone have any AutoCAD files or drawing files that can be converted to AutoCAD of the Buell XB.. Or any drawings / sketches / dimensions / measurements etc of this machine. I am a Design Drafter, were quiet at work and I had this brainwave idea to create a set of drawings or a 3D model of the XB to pass the time. So if anyone has anything it would be appreciated. Send me a message or post a reply if you know of any CAD files floating about. My goal is to create a 3D model. Cheers | ||
| Slaughter |
IF you do and can get me an STL file or solid, I can do a direct solid using Stratasys - http://www.stratasys.com I've been thinking of rolling in my bike and optically scanning it but it'd be a huge file. | ||
| Typeone |
only thing i have are drawings like this...  for the frame, wheels, swingarm and front brake setup. i know its not quite what you're looking for but let me know if you'd like me to Zip 'em all up and email them to you. they're all flat JPGs unfortunately. (Message edited by typeone on August 18, 2005) | ||
| Briz31 |
Typrone, thanks... I have seen these images on another web site, what I'm looking for a the cad files that were used to create these images. If I can locate them I can build on this and hopefully produce a complete model of the bike. Sure, if you want to email them to me, send to stephen.hennessey@halliburton.com (our gateway limit is about 5mb per email) Cheers. | ||
| Slaughter |
They had to come from Catia, Ideas or something to generate those solids. It'd be cool to build a scale model. We have a Leica optical scanner but I'm not sure if I can get permission to use it. We were going to make bobbleheads of ourselves... so why not my bike? | ||
| Rsohler |
Hi Look like you can buy it at (.max or .3ds) http://www.3d02.com/html_3d_Model/3d_model_main_3M00696.asp  Hope this help Good luck R' | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Actually Slaughter, parts on the XB could have come from: Think3(parts designed in house by Buell) Pro/E(HD designed parts) Unigraphics(older parts) I know I've received parts to quote for Buell from Think3 and Unigraphics in the past. http://www.think3.com/en/news/release_detail.asp?id=2989 | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Briz31 - Please don't take this as an admonition, but just a statement ot reality. If you are asking for the actual detail drawings that the buell components are made from I would think that there is no chance on earth that you could ever get them. The only folks who have them are Buell employees and the suppliers that make the parts. Those drawings cost hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) to produce, are the property of Buell / HD and are not for public consumption for obvious reasons. I have designed and manufactured some one off parts for myself and had to reverse engineer the mounting points and surrounding areas for fitup. Some I did in AutoCAD and some in SolidWorks. These drawings represent thousands of dollars worth of my time and even I wouldn't be inclined to give them up unless it was for a good reason.   | ||
| Mikej |
They don't use I-Deas, that much I know. Just model it up from scratch and keep working the dimensions and parametrics until it looks right. Who knows, you might just come up with a variation that works. Maybe stretch the wheelbase out to 55+", maybe make the gas capacity up to 6 gallons or so, maybe make the spark plugs easier to reach, maybe make it more passenger friendly, call it the XBSuper. Show your talents, do it from scratch.   | ||
| Steve_mackay |
MikeJ, actually, the original X1 airbox was partially designed in Ideas(according to an outside designer who claimed to have "consulted" with that particular part). It was later redone in UG IIRC. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Hey Jerseyguy, I've had the *REAL* 3D model of that sproket cover. A local custom molder had us quote the tool for that job. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I had a chance to talk with Erik Buell about the CAD systems the engineering department uses. SolidWorks and Think-3 were the two he mentioned. They use Think-3 exclusively now, but he did say they supported databases for both systems for awhile. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
MikeJ, would you want to tackle doing the whole XB platform from scratch?  I've tried to get the 3D cad files for the S3's saddlebags and fairing, but haven't had any good luck doing so. Something about corporate concerned with liabilities. | ||
| Mikej |
Actually? Yes, I would.  I'm rusty on surfacing, but that's just a learning curve thing. I'd let someone else do the harnessing/wiring though.  (Message edited by mikej on August 19, 2005) | ||
| Steve_mackay |
I need to get myself a Romer arm, or optical scanner to do this kinda stuff. The software I use(VX) has excellent reverse engineering/point cloud tools. But unfortunately, I can buy a new bike for the cost of either of those tools | ||
| Jeremyh |
I too am a Solidworks user/operator....I actually had a fellow SW Certified user ask why i hadn't Modled my bike yet. I just laughed and said,"1st of all TIME, second.....why the hell would i want to tear apart my bike and reverse E it when i coudl be out riding it havein gmore fun. I second the GOOD LUCK GETTING THOSE FILE!!! | ||
| Whodom |
Hey Steve, Did you notice this on Think 3's website?: http://www.think3.com/en/idsa/default.asp That might be a really cool event to attend. I am WAY out of the loop on state-of-the-art CAD these days. I started out on Computervision mainframe equipment back around 1985; got a lot of formal training on that (mainly in piping layout and design). Learned Autocad on my own. Changed jobs; new employer was about 25% Microstation, 75% Autocad. Management decides to get involved; makes corporate decision to go 100% Microstation. I got trained on Microstation and did one design job on it. Shortly afterwards, Management made a corporate decision to go 100% Autocad, so that's what I'm still working with. | ||
| Slaughter |
I can get a point cloud pretty well but getting PERMISSION is something else entirely. Somehow seeing the XB on the shop floor might raise an eyebrow or two. We're still going to be doing bobbleheads of the crew though. Wonder if I can trade my personal bobblehead for an XB? | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Yup, I saw that. Did you guys also know, that new Confederate Wraith is designed in think3 also The problem with think3 when we were doing some Cad comparisions was their funky licence terms. If you stopped paying mantainance, it stopped working. With VX, and Delcam PowerShape(we have 2 seats of each, along with Autocad, Cadkey, and 5 seats of Surfcam, and 2 seats of Delcam PowerMill), if we decide not to pay mantainance for a year, the software still works. Think3 is kinda a rental fee. Very capable/excellent software though. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Whodom, also, I used to work in a shop that used Computervision(started out with the Prime mainframe version) quite a bit until they were sold to PTC. After I left there, they switched to Cimatron. About a year later, they went bankrupt. Cadds5 had some seriously good features in the 3 to 5 axis toolpathing department. | ||
| Whodom |
I was just trying to figure out how to get the boss to pay for a trip for me and a motorcycling bud to attend that conference next week... in the interest of learning more about state-of-the-art CAD of course.  | ||
| Whodom |
Computervision was pretty cool stuff. We did some good piping work with it. They had some really screwy sounding commands though: 'INS FIT FLAN -FLAN FLIP 2.5"' is a valid one I remember. Translated: insert a flange in this pipeline, one flange only (not two mating flanges), 2-1/2 inches in size, and "flip" it from the normal direction of flow. Also "PLOT DOT ROT EXTENTS" (plot to the dot matrix printer, rotate the image 90 degrees, and fit the extents of the drawing to the limits of the paper). My head is just SOOOO full of obsolete knowledge... | ||
| Jeremyh |
well you could learn 3d (CAD) modeling the way i did........."here you go Jeremy..we got you this new 4 thousand dollar CAD Workstation, these great solidworks books and a kick in the Arse.......You can learn this software right?" | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Jeremyh, I've learned almost everything(Cad/Cam software wise) that way. In fact, I've spent exactly one day in a classroom learning Cadkey almost a decade ago. Otherwise, no training whatsoever. Once you learn one package, many of the same concepts are the same. PowerShape is a tad different. But the terminology is pretty similar. | ||
| Whodom |
That's pretty much how I learned too. Had a week of Computervision training on the piping design package (AFTER I'd worked with it on my own for 6 months) and a week on system admin stuff, ~10 hours on Microstation, and a couple of Autocad seminars. Otherwise, it's all been self-taught. Wish I had access to Solidworks or think3 so I could fool around with it. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Think3 wont do anything for you. Almost nobody uses it. Solidworks would be beneficial. Pro/E would also be beneficial, and they have a student/personal edition available. The "personal" editions don't need a student ID to purchase, but the files you save can not be opened with comercial Pro/E. http://www.journeyed.com/search.asp?SKW=proe+software You can download "Evaluation" copies of VX. Which has VERY similar concepts and capabilities of Think3 if you're looking for something fun to play with. http://www.vx.com/freeeval.cfm | ||
| Jerseyguy |
I never had a minute of training either. Just learn as you go since 1982. | ||
| Slaughter |
I sorta kinda looked at file sizes on a few surface scans we had done and there's just NO WAY with the level of detail that there's any practical way to scan and edit. File size would be impractically huge. Better off constructing a model from scratch. You'd probably be looking at a few hundred hours to develop a pretty crude model. Heck, buy one of those 1/24 models on Ebay and send it to a rapid prototyping shop to have it scanned (probably about $500 to have them scan it and then generate a volume) - and then you could pay somebody to grow one - maybe another $100. For $600, you could buy a model that costs $25 on Ebay. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Some of you already know this but here goes anyway. 3D CAD assemblies are made from the actual detail drawings of the parts that make up the assembly. The assembly is "built" by lining up holes and mating surfaces just as you would physically build the assembly. A full blown assembly of a motorcycle including the supporting detail drawings would be a very large amount of data. To "scan" the outer surfaces of some type of motorcycle model (if it could even be done) would be useless except for those interested in cosmetics only. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Slaughter, yup, doing the whole bike would be foolish. But, the point cloud file you're doing are unusually large. It's usually an ascii text file made up of XYZ and maybe UV points. |
