| Author | Message | ||
     Galen Martindale (Sparropie) |
Hey Rickie, that was a serious turn. You should be right proud of that scrape! Why are your pipes so much shinier than mine. Is that the silver ceramic coat? Thanks for the post!See ya on the road! GALEN '00S3 | ||
| Brad Johnson (Bluzm2) |
All, Does anyone have a picture of a Daytona Boss installed? I am looking at a new pipe for my M2, I have heard good things about the Boss. Daytona HD doesn't have a production picture available. Only pic I've seen is the pre-production model printed in Battle2Win Thanks BluzM2 | ||
| Drew K (Cyclonem2drew) |
Bluz, I saw the actual pipe at my dealer...it looks identical to the pre-preoduction model in Battle2win. Very heavy and solid, too. If I put one on my M2 anytime soon, I'll post pics. | ||
| RaY2k M2aines (Raymaines) |
Hello all, My son and I just finished installing a Vance & Hines muffler on his '00 M2. All the brackets and tabs seem to be made of sturdy material so I will be surprised if it falls apart. Time will tell, I suppose. V&H has a reputation of being louder than most but it isn't anywhere near as loud as I expected and certainly not as loud as my neighbors Harley. The muffler is really pretty too. Two thumbs up. | ||
| Rickie Morrison (Rickie) |
Galen, The Kooks pipe on my bike is a polished stainless steel unit, with only the muffler HPC coated. Although that scar may look impressive to some, it is a source of irritation for me. After spending $550.00 for the pipe I go play on Battle Trax and in the first right I tag the ground and have to go wide through the turn. I still had a half-inch of tread left when it scraped. Rickie | ||
| Daniel Kaplan (Djkaplan) |
Joeb1 Sorry about the late response. Your pipes are cherry red because your ignition timing is too retarded. I suspect the mechanic who installed your new ignition may have been trying to address your pinging problem. Get it checked out. And please keep us posted on your progress. Danimal | ||
| Daniel Kaplan (Djkaplan) |
Installed a V&H slip-on just last week. The unit looks good. I think the front mount is the revised one (in response to the cracking problem). I followed the instructions to the letter and had very little difficulty with the installation. It was actually more difficult to remove the stock unit. The V&H hangs lower than the stocker and it looks like I can change the oil and adjust the primary without having to remove it. I did manage to grind it in one very unusual corner (a sweeping left road crossing with a very sharp camber change). The rash marks kind of look good though, makes me feel like a real runner! The sound is great! Much too loud for the neighbors (perfect). I don't think you actually can have an appreciation for the HD powerplant until you uncork one. It's like riding a cherry bomb!!! Danimal 00 M2 | ||
| Raymaines |
Daniel, You're a lucky guy if you can change your transmission fluid without removing your new V&H. There is no way my son is going to do that on his M2. I'm not looking forward to removing and reinstalling the two rear bolts. | ||
| Buelliedan |
Daniel, If you can grind a Vance and Hines I believe it is mounted wrong. The only way I can see you grinding one is to hit a speed bump too fast and come straight down. Sounds like your mount is hanging too low. | ||
| Ocbueller |
Just picked up a 2nd Buell. Bike has less than 1500 miles 99X1 with a V&H. I don't like the looks of the front muffler bushings. It looks like they've been over torqued and are torn. What would be the most effective upgrade. The new Buell muffler hanger? Part #? Price? ASB's poly muffler bushings? Price? Homemade remedy? I know I've seen some discussion on the topic but can't find any of the related posts. My 97S1 has a V&H with 13,000 miles no problems but the mounting is completely different. OCBueller | ||
| Raymaines |
OK, I've got this muffler stuff figured out. Because every brand that I've heard is either a huge piece of junk or the best thing ever I decided to go with something I had never heard of. I was at the new motorcycle show in Seattle last weekend and talked with Jeff Whitten of Two Brothers Racing and ordered one of his mufflers. I installed it on Thursday night in less than an hour including a transmission fluid change. I like how it's mounted to the bike, and it looks like it will not be affected by vibration the way a solidly mounted muffler would be. The elbow is clamped to the header and is bolted to the engine but is separate from the muffler and is held to the muffler with two stainless steel springs. The rear is held up by a rubber covered strap that goes around the muffler and is bolted to the bike. It's just a little quieter than my son's Vance & Hines but sounds nice to me. The Elbow assembly:  The rear strap  | ||
| Aaron |
OCBueller: I doubt that overtorquing is related. There's a metal sleeve that goes through the center of the bushings, to keep folks from over-preloading them. Not that it couldn't be done, but lots of those bushings rot and tear even when properly installed. Without any actual data in hand, it seems particularly bad on 99-00's. Change those bushings, when they're shot they allow a lot of movement. I suspect this movement is what causes broken header studs. When I broke a front header stud, I had let the bushings get particularly bad. Bike had 3600 miles and it's second set of bushings were shot. Also, don't know if this applies to you or not, but the header nuts on my '99 would loosen themselves constantly. And muffler brackets would break. No amount of alignment perfection, tightening sequences, etc, would curb the bike's appetite for exhaust system parts. I solved all these issues when I made a little collector mount tab similar to the one fitted on 96-98's. All the issues disappeared. I can't say it's a fix for all bikes, just that it fixed mine. Good luck, AW | ||
| Troop |
Just installed my V&H today(cold/snowy,so what else to do ?). No way can I drain the oil w/o dropping the pipe. Only about 1/8" clearance from drain bolt to muffler top. Pretty straight forward except little hands would make the upper bracket bolt install easier-darn bushing sleeves kept wanting to come out !! How much is 17-19 ft/lbs of torque ?? Not too easy to overtighten those bolts anyhow. I put on an ASB front mount bushing.For $27./delivered(albeit with a nice catalog)I hope it works.Sure like the way it looks on the bike too. All seems pretty solid-hope it holds up ?? The 1988xl needle/#45/1/8" vacuum hole drill-out comes Tuesday. LONG WINTER !!!! | ||
| Al_Lighton |
Daniel, Did you remove the stock rear bracket, or did you mount the V&H bracket to the stock bracket. If you did the later, your pipe is now angled down after it leaves the collector, and you can scrape ground like you said. The V&H should be running parallel to the ground as it goes back. I've seen a few V&H's mounted wrong like this, the instructions aren't particularly clear. Fix this right away, it stresses the mountings. Al | ||
| Ocbueller |
Aaron, Actually I was hoping you were going to spot my post. I remember seeing your bracket fab a while back but at the time I didn't own a bike with an exhaust prob. so I didn't pay it enough attention. If I recall it was almost exactly what my 97 S1 has. A small twisted bracket at the front mount. My S1 V&H uses the spring type mounts,and a separate 90 elbow, a breeze to remove and no failures yet. The 99 X1 V&H is one piece with the elbow and clamps to the collector. Could you post your previous info on your fabrication, I think it is the way to go. T.I.A. | ||
| Buddah |
Thanks guys. I followed the instructions you posted on this website and polished my stock pipes on my S3T. Way pretty. They don't look like chrome but they're getting close. Xena (m bike) is looking better and better. Thanks to whoever gave the advice on how to polish pipes. Cheers, Buddah | ||
| Aaron |
OCBueller: I took two small pieces of flat stock, cut slots in each, and welded'em together in an "L" with the flats turned 90 degrees from each other as well. One side bolts to the hole in the shock mount where the twisted tab goes on pre-99's, the other side goes to the muffler clamp, which I inverted to put the stud facing up. Maybe this will explain it better:  Sorry for the fuzzy pic, I guess the auto focus got confused with things in the foreground, but it's below zero outside and I really don't feel like going back out to the shop to get a better one. I can't believe this little bracket offers squat for support, I think it's dampening vibrations or something. I don't know how it works. I just know it does. I was at my wit's end with exhaust failures when I tried this, and all of a sudden the problems were gone: the header nuts stay tight and the bushings are lasting indefinitely and no more muffler brackets have broken. The total job took an hour or so. I have no idea if it'll fix anyone else's bike or not. Best of luck, AW | ||
| Leeaw |
Aaron, Forgetting engineering which I know nothing about it seems quite logical to add support to the middle of the exhaust system. Good idea! | ||
| Aikigecko |
Well it's official I've joined the loud pipe league. My landlord (the only person in the complex who doesn't leave for work by 7am) called to say that she had received "complaints" about my motorcycle. Sheesh it only a Blast with a V&H pipe and I practically push start it and idle my way out in the morning. Her recommendation push it around into the driveway before starting it....my thought buy a bike cover and park it on the other side of the house. I think this stems from some throttle adjustment work I was doing on Saturday at about 2pm where I was revving the engine but who knows, she's a B@##$% anyway. Has anyone else here had this kind of problem? Peace | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
Hey guys, My name's Justin and I'm new to posting on BWB's even though I've been reading all the great tech info on here for a while now. I've got a '99 M2 and am interested in the Daytona Boss. What I'm wondering about is the size I should get. Everyone sounds pretty happy with the 2.5, but is anyone running the 3, and is it any better? | ||
| Pjmule |
anyone out there who has the daytona boss pipe? I just got home tonight and my pipe was delivered today and I'm trying to figure out where the donut goes that came with the hardware. any help would be appreciated. 00 M2 | ||
| Loki |
Pjmule, Let me know what you come up with.... Just ordered my D Boss today. Should have it by saturday....btw what was the p/n you ordered? was easier than burning a tank of gas in my truck to go to D-town....or even O-town. sorry John, Mid-Florida Cycle matched the price you gave me. loki | ||
| Al_Lighton |
FYI..if you didn't know it, the heat shield on the rear pipe on the older bikes (at least my S1W and others I've seen) is stainless, and it is not hard to buff it to a high shine after stripping the black paint with chemical stripper. See my profile to see if you like it shiny. Al | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Here is a pic of the Boss mounted, sorry can't see it so well through the X1 Chin, but you can see the mounts that are clamp on no welds. So far so good.  | ||
| Seeeu911 |
Al, every time I see your profile I'm always impressed by how sweet your ride is. Do you like those macdaddy looking bar end mirrors ? | ||
| Seeeu911 |
PJMule, you already mounted you pipe I guess ? I got a donut too. Never did figure it out. I used new Factory bushing for the front mount. Let us know what you did. | ||
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| Pjmule |
SEEEU911, I've got the BOSS on without the donut, seems to fit better without it. Brian, Thanks for the e-mail,I talked to daytona h/d and the tech in service said some mount better without the donut depending on mounting brackets,models,etc. Now if it wasn't raining and 40 degrees here in north georgia I could try her out. | ||
| Cyclonebrian |
For those having trouble mounting the Boss, do what I did. Call and ask to speak to someone in service. They can explain it real easy over the phone. They claim to install the vast majority of the pipes they sell. They need to get off their ••• and draft up some instructions! How long would that take, 10 min? I put mine on my 99 M2. I left the stock rubbers in the front mount put a big washer on the back or the front mount, then the doughnut, then a big washer then the clamp and cranked it down. The idea is for the front mount to float. The doughnut will "give" to the front mount (instead of breaking!)Hey Ray, I helped my buddy put a two brothers pipe on his bike. Its holding up just fine so far. The can is pretty thick. When I ride behind him it looks like its pretty close to the ground. Just a note: He won a dyno shoot out for his class at WV bike week. Only thing we did to his bike was put a force sidewinder on and a two brothers pipe. Jetting is stock. | ||
| Cyclonebrian |
Oh yeah, I forgot. Your not gonna do it with the stock bolt for the front mount. After you put that doughnut on it will be WAY to short. You'll have to go buy a longer one! | ||
| Loki |
Talked to Rek at Daytona HD yesterday. Asked him about which "BOSS" to use on a 00 M2. between the 2 1/2 or 3 inch versions. He said to stick with the 2 1/2- get a hi-flow intake(Force) and leave the jetting alone. loki in wait for the BOSS to show its head(er pipe) | ||
| Mitchs2 |
I have a 99M2 with the updated exhaust mount. I am trying to install a Daytona Boss pipe but the front pinch clamp will not work on the updated bracket. I have worked many hours trying to make an offset clamp that will work but have found it to be very difficult to get it right. Does anybody have any creative ideas on how to solve this problem? Question: Do the 01 models have the updated bracket? | ||
| Bigblock |
Yes, '01's have the new bracket. A note... I have a '00 M2 w/ V&H muffler, the rear mount broke, and it trashed the rear mount boss on the pipe, as well as started cracking the front mount welds. Also, the baffle tube has broken apart,causing the rear baffle sleeve to turn 180 inside the can, partially obstructing the outlet. I think all the damage was caused by the mount breaking, but I'm not sure. I just inspected it 300 mi ago when I put new tires on, and it was fine then, so I guess it might be a good idea to inspect yours frequently if you have 7,000 miles or more on your bike. I have 7,700 mi, I ride hard and the roads here aren't always too smooth. Mine is the only one I've seen this happen to, but the dealer told me that they have seen some of the rear mounts go. Ray | ||
| Ricky |
I just brought my Christmas present home today, a Supertrapp IDS for my '99 S3! (didn't really wanna' trust Santa) It's a good thing I have been reading up on this topic of exhaust's. At the shop they had one of the IDS hanging up for display. When they looked it up in the computer, they showed they had an extra one in the back room. Long story short. The muffler in the box was one of the "new" ones from Supertrapp. We compared the rear hanging clamps of the display muff and the one in the box (new) - guess what? The 'new' one was almost TWICE as thick. So, if anyone is thinking about getting the IDS Supertrapp, make sure you look at that rear hanger before you buy. Good luck. ps. Monday it gets cerma-coated! | ||
| Mitchs2 |
Bigblock-- Thanks for the information regarding the updated bracket for 01 models. This tells me that the producers of the Daytona Boss will soon have to come up with a front clamp that will fit the new bracket. Hope I don't have to wait too long. Can't wait to try out the new pipe. | ||
| Cyclonem2drew |
Great information about the Daytona Boss! Loki - Rek said leave the jetting alone? Like stock? I'm all for that, but it's the first time I've ever heard anybody say to leave the jetting stock on a Buell...everyone allways seems to want to change that first. I guess the best thing is to experiment and try the stock jetting first. Drew | ||
| Loki |
Well at least for those at or near sea level. After chatting with him the combination of the three appear to balance out the detractors of each other. No harm, no foul to give it a try in this configuration. I know just putting the Force intake on with the stock pipe and jetting made a noticeable improvement. Will change pout the muff and run it across a dyno and see what it looks like. Pulling the plugs tomorrow to get a basic read. I think the current set-up is running rich. If that is the case the Boss should lean it all back out. After culling through back issues of Battle2Win. The Boss is gonna put the punch just where I want it to be. Between 3 and 4K rpm, just where 45mph is in 4th gear(3k that is). loki | ||
| Solcraft |
anyone ever hear about gutting the V&H. I mean taking out the fiber. Any performance feed back? A mechanic I talked to said it really opens up the motor but I think he might be blowing smoke. | ||
| Jasonl |
Solcraft - I think the V&H is a "pass through" pipe as it is. By "pass through" I mean I think it has a 2 inch section of it that is wide open. I can't see how gutting the fiber and packing on the outside part of the pipe would help. | ||
| Buellriderm2 |
I just got my 2.5 inch Boss and Forcewinder today, will be installing them both tomorrow. The clamps that came with the boss were bare metal. Are they supposed to have rubber on the inside of them at all? Seems like they will really ding up the pipe the way they are now. Also, I read the previous posts, and still can't figure out what to do with the donuts. Justin |
