| Author | Message | ||
     Dbird29 |
Jon, I saw Newfie outed using the Anony feature. If it wasn't a true anony they will be outed, Blake is pretty harsh on abuse of it. It was a bit mean of the anony to post and it was a full swallow of the bait on eeeeeeks part. My $.02 DBird | ||
| Jon |
Yes, Your right about the abuses that do occur. I am not aware of anybody abusing the title in this thread. If there was abuse, yes they will be outed. Thanks, Dbird | ||
| Snail |
Thanks Pammy, Jim, Henrik. Snail, We're done with combat and defending one's honor in this thread. I took your latest reply to Anon. and put it with your first reply. Here's the link: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/131687.html Not deleted, just moved backward a page. Please don't be put off. We're just done with this stuff. (Message edited by Jon on August 06, 2005) | ||
| Snail |
Thanks Hans. Someday you need to reteach me how to post pics. I have some good ones for you. | ||
| Jima4media |
Well, I just read the whole Bike magazine article. What a hoot! First it lists all of the great race bikes ever made including the current champs, the Yamaha M1 and the Honda RCV211V. Yamaha YZR250 Honda NSR250 Honda NS500 Honda RC211V Ducati 916 Honda NSR500 Yamaha YZR-M1 Ducati Pantah Suzuki RGV500 Aprilia RSW250 Then it eliminates these bikes as the best cornering. Then it lists the top 20 bikes that actually corner well based on measured results. 1. Ducati 999R 2. Buell XB12R 3. Ducati 916 4. Ducati 749R 5. Aprilia RSV-R 6. Suzuki GSX-R1000 K5 7. MV Agusta 1000 F4S 8. Kawasaki ZX-10R 9. Ducati 999 10. Triumph Daytona 650 11. KTM Super Duke 12. Benelli Tornado 13. Yamaha YZF-R1 14. Suzuki GSX-R750 K5 15. Buell XB12S Lightning 16. Aprilia RS 125 17. Aprilia RS 250 18. Ducati 749 19. Kawasaki ZX-6R 20. Yamaha YZF-R6 To have two Buell models in that list is very impressive. They should have stopped right there. Number 2 for the Buell XB12R would have been great. But then they put an emotional and subjective spin on the whole subject, and came up with a list of 50 of all time, in an order which was just totally inconceivable. 1. Buell XB12R 2. Aprilia RS125 3. Triumph Daytona 650 4. 1956 BSA Gold Star 5. BMW R1200GS 6. Suzuki GSX-R600 KS 7. 1975 Ducati 900SS 8. Buell XB12S Lightning 9. Aprilia Pegaso Strada 10. Husaberg FS Supermoto 650e 11. KTM 990 Super Duke 12. Indian 101 Scout 13. Ducati ST3 14. Honda VRF750 F 15. Ducati 749 16. Kawasaki ZX-6R 17. KTM 950 Adventure 18. BMW R1200RT 19. Yamaha MT-01 20. Honda VRF400 HC30 21. 1914 Royal Enfield 22. Honda CB900F Hornet 23. Triumph Sprint ST 24. Kawasaki Z750 25. Kawasaki ZXR450 L3-L4 26. Ducati 999 27. Norton Dominator 99 28. MV Agusta Brutale 5 29. Aprilia RSV-R 30. Ducati 851 31. Suzuki GSX-R750 K5 32. Triumph Rocket III 33. Suzuki SV650S 34. Honda NS400R 35. Laverda 750 Formula 36. Yamaha YZF-R6 37. Ducati 916 38. Benelli Tornado 39. Honda VFR750R 40. Honda CBR400 Gullarm 41. Triumph Speed Triple 1050 42. Suzuki GSX-R750 WT-WX 43. Ducati 999R 44. Triumph Speed Triple 955i 45. Yamaha YZF750R 46. Triumph TT600 47. Kawasaki Z1000 48. Suzuki GSX-R1000 K5 48. Ducati 749R 50. Yamaha TDR250 | ||
| Jon |
Well, there it is. I'll try to get that issue tomorrow. | ||
| Snail |
That's the easy way out. I won't be bothering you anymore. | ||
| Bigblock |
"Then they should have stopped there" Hmmm, and you should have creative control over Bike magazine for WHAT reason? Should've could've would've. So they added an emotional element. It's abpout time! Why the heck do we ride? Is it logical? Is it moe convenient? NOT! It's the EMOTIONAL LEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's about time a mag got it right! And I don't mean by choosing Buell as#1 or # whatever. They made good choices before the emotion was figured in, you are 100% right there, but it's about time we got some honest emotional opinions, here, too, because that's what it's all about! Just my opinion, etc.......... | ||
| Crw |
An XB12R with a 999cc in-line four, 159 bhp, 181 mph??? They could use a proof reader. Still, a fun article. Amazing thing is how one little magazine article could spawn a thread that is beginning to rival "Synthetic vs. Dino" or "Countersteering: Fact or Fiction?" I lost count, What lap is it? | ||
| Jon |
Hey Snail, You're not bothering me, I'm just tidying up with a view to returning the thread to it's topic, rather than what it has degenerated into. Anybody that wants to see your post can click the link and see it and others that address your concerns. Thanks for understanding. | ||
| M1combat |
I think this must be the start of lap two. The Buell and the Duck 999R are pretty much neck and neck with the Buell being just a nose ahead because the rider is havinag a better time. It's the start/finish straight though, so with it's incredible drive out of the final turn the rider should be having a little better time than the XB pilot down the straight. The Duck rider is grinning from ear to ear as they cross the line (The Buell pilot with a bit of a smirk and some distance behind). They get to the turn and bank in... They're both smiling wildly but the Buell is indeed gaining ground mid corner due to the CG modification of the laughter adding to his lean angle. This should be good folks... The Buell catches the Duck mid-corner and AGAIN the Duck rider starts to smile wider than the Buell rider as the get on the gas. YIKES! That was a close one folks... The duck rider JUST about got a taste of some hospital food right there... The Buell got by on the inside as the Duck just about flipped over it's webbed feet... The Buell is now in the lead after turn one and being a fairly tight track it should be pretty hard for the Duck to waddle back out in front... On the exit and down the straight to the brake point the Duck is paddling MADLY to catch the grin factor of the Buell and they enter turn two DEAD even. Luckily, the Buell rider took a defensive line into the turn so if the Duck wants around he'll need to makit it on the outside. Through the middle and the Buell is pulling slightly ahead due to the shorter line. THE DUCK FLIPPED HIM OFF!!! THE DUCK FLIPPED HIM OFF WHILE TRYING AN OUTISDE MOVE!!! This is GREAT racing folks. Transitioning between the chicane turns the duck now has the advantage with a shorter line out of the turn. The Buell starts crowding the Duck into the rumble trip in a bold move to kill the Duck's drive... It hasn't quite worked and the Duck is gaining the ground he lost in the last turn. On the exit the Buell has a straighter line and can use a LITTLE more of it's power but the "Drive : 8" feature of the Duck is just too much... The Duck starts pulling away with a BIG grin across the bill... | ||
| Southern Marine |
People want to argue over some of the dumbest stuff. If the magazine wants to rate the bikes that way, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. Geez, Buell gets good press and people s#!? their drawers over it.  | ||
| Jima4media |
 Ring-g-g-g-g-g-. That is the sound of your alarm clock M1. Time to wake up, cause in your dreams is the only time a Buell XB is going to be within sight of a Ducati 999R.  | ||
| Rocketman |
Ring-g-g-g-g-g-. That is the sound of your alarm clock M1. Time to wake up, cause in your dreams is the only time a Buell XB is going to be within sight of a Ducati 999R. Rocket | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Ring-g-g-g-g-g-. That is the sound of your alarm clock M1. Time to wake up, cause in your dreams is the only time a Buell XB is going to be within sight of a Yamaha FJR1300. Ferris | ||
| Aussie_buell |
is this full article on here somewhere, it would be real nice if somebody could scan it and post it here. I sent the misses to the newsagant yesterday and here in Oz she could only get the July issue,she didnt realise it wasnt the issue i wanted, Cant complain though, not every day the better half will go to the newsagent to buy a bike mag for us. So ayway that would mean i would have to wait another 2 months for sept. the boat must take a bit longer to get down here. | ||
| Rocketman |
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| M1combat |
I take it you guys didn't get the humor in that? Just a few corners that take into account the emotional scores of the review... "Time to wake up, cause in your dreams is the only time a Buell XB is going to be within sight of a Yamaha FJR1300. " ??? I seem to remember more than twenty miles of it (none on the spars though...) but I'm SURE you had some in reserve what with Denise on the back and all . | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
had to pay you back for the spanking on the Spars. we're even. | ||
| M1combat |
I can't WAIT to run through death valley and over Mt' Palomar with you and whoever else shows up. That's such a great road. When I was over there for the American Sport Bike BBQ last year I headed straight west over the mountains via Hwy 78. I stopped in a small town just on the crest and got an EXCELLENT sandwich in a little family operated corner store... That was a good day. I ran 120 for about an hour or so in 115 degree weather, I went over a really cool mountain and through a REALLY cool desert (keep in mind I'm from Alaska...), I got stopped by immigration... they let me go  . | ||
| Ingemar |
Your from Alaska, you ride through 115 degree weather and you talk about a cool desert? let me guess, you wore full leathers right? | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Cool as in neato...not temperature wise! | ||
| M1combat |
Yeah , cool as in REALLY FUN. Oh... And it was heading East . | ||
| Ingemar |
Hattori_hanzo, You think I didn't get it but I think you didn't get it. Get it? So obvious and I still need to include the In case you still don't get it, I was joking. | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
I don't get it...  must be the heat getting to me! It's hot here in the desert in case you didn't know.  | ||
| Blake |
Anonymous, Whoa! Snail (Paul Starkweather) is absolutely first rate, honest, considerate, thoughtful, just plain enjoyable to hang with and A#1 any way you cut it. He REALLY doesn't deserve the lumping you gave him. That was way out of line, and really out of character too I might add. Please make good. It's understandable how someone close to and enthusiastic about things Buell might mistakenly/rashly conclude so, but Paul is not even close to being a negative force on this board or wrt Buell motorcycles in general. In fact I'm pretty sure he spent a good half hour or more at Laguna Seca talking sincerely and constructively with Eric Schmitt about his experience with his '99 S3. Paul truly is a man among men. I count myself very fortunate to know him. Wish I knew him better. Hope to accomplish that not too far down the road. Anyway, please remember all the support that BMC and the bikes they build really do have here. No way we're going to let a few naysayers run down the BadWeB's upbeat enthusiasm for Buell Motorcycles! And again, Paul ain't one of the naysayers. He's just cautiously optimistic. Trust me, he's one of the good ones for sure. Paul, I've been offline since Friday afternoon. Sorry I didn't see those out of line comments earlier. Please forgive anony for his overzealous mischaracterization of you. Pretty sure he was venting against the sad unfortunate corruption/hijacking of this thread, maybe even sticking up for BadWeB and unfortunately caught you in the wide net of his attack. Anyway, I hope we're good and you'll stick around. Feel free to tell us all to stick it if we so deserve. I'll not be offended. (Message edited by blake on August 09, 2005) | ||
| M2nc |
Man, I hate to jump back into this quagmire, but I just read the article. Please make this note, I have yet to be out run in the curves by a Buell on my Nighthawk, so I am on the fence here. Also I am not saying the Nighthawk is better, just real world street experience. I have always been able to keep up with the Nighthawk, even though I think the M2 is more stable and holds higher speed in sweepers than the Nighthawk. To answer the comments between the Buell and 999R, and I quote the article here, Mike Armitage, Road Tester speaking of the XB12R "It leans, leans, and leans before the pegs eventually skim the surface, going at least as far over as an Aprilia RS125 or Ducati 999R and covering ground at an alarming pace. But it does it with much more stability and poise than the skittish Aprilia and takes far less effort than the longer, heavier, slower-steering 999R" On the picture of the XB12R leaned over the caption read... "Next day Armitage took off the peg ends and leant it even further. Honestly" These comments do agree with my personal feelings of an XB9R I tested. Going through 20mph esses, I looked at the speedo to be surprised that I was going between 70 & 75mph. What scared me was I did not feel I was pushing the bike, and it had allot more, totally floored me! Anyway take it for what it's worth, these are the reasons why the tester felt the XB was better than the 999R. As far as for the comments of the only time an XB will be close to a 999R, man it takes no skill to twist the throttle. I have shut up too many sport bikes on the Nighthawk, when the first curve is reached. Ditto+ with the M2. | ||
| M1combat |
"As far as for the comments of the only time an XB will be close to a 999R, man it takes no skill to twist the throttle." Once you stand the bike up . Before that... Notice their ranking for "Probability of tasting hospital food...". | ||
| Blake |
The pertinent excerpts from the article...   Major goof in the stats heading of the piece.  They employed an impressive list of experts to rate the bikes. Current and ex-pro road racers among them. So we have BIKE Magazine, and MCN, and Performance Bikes all saying pretty much the same thing, that the Buell XB is a truly amazing and class leading bike in the corners. Congratulations Buell Motorcycle Company. (Message edited by blake on August 09, 2005) | ||
| Blake |
Some of the most positive quotes from the above excerpt about the XB12R...
Emphasis added. |
