| Author | Message | ||
     Brianh |
I notice Brian, you picked AMA sanctioned track, they tend to be bigger with longer straights than most of the more club level tracks. We are talking about handling here aren't we? Why not make it any track if you are that confident. Here we go again making special arrangements for the Buell. We're not putting a GSXR1K or ZX10 up against it. Heck, my F4i probably puts out the same HP as an XB12 right? I don't understand what the big fear is? Perhaps its the 6500rpm limit? Perhaps it's the engine that is holding the bike back? Why do you want to run on a small, club level track with the best handling motorcycle of all time? Surely a machine with that pedigree should be competitive against a 4 year old F4i. Heck, the 2002 F4i doesn't have inverted forks and runs regular old Nissin brakes. Why all the apprehension? Yep, you might beat some of them, you're a pretty good rider, some of the Buell riders will hand you your a$$. There are 15 year old kids out there on 125cc machines that'll kick my butt too. So again, why the apprehension? In this thread both Eeeeek and Chop have been attacked for basically stating that the XB in stock trim isn't a great platform for the track. I agree with them. I'll take it a step further and state that in race trim the XB isn't a great platform for the track either! The engine is the problem. So I put out a challenge to run a 4 year old bike employing inferior technology against the greatest handling motorcycle EVER and already we're giving it special dispensation. You guys know the truth in the back of your heads. You just won't admit it. P.S. Kudos to Eeeeek for posting his letter to the AFM. He should run for public office! He actually got the BadWeb crew to THANK him for informing an official racing body that the XB is completely uncompetitive on track and that they have nothing to worry about if they allow it to compete against machines with 1/2 the displacement. You're good Eeeeek . You're good. (Message edited by brianh on August 05, 2005) | ||
| Jlnance |
MY favorite 11 mile section of road barely has 12M between 95% of the corners. Welcome to North Carolina  | ||
| Court |
>>>>Hey Rocket was positive. He was and has been. I apologize if I sounded like I meant otherwise. >>>>I'm betting right about now Erik is really sorry he agreed to the "no track" clause in his contract. No, I'm betting he could care less; he'd not buy into this bait. Think about it, he has a new model poised to leap off the sales room floors. . . he's within days of heading to Europe where the bike is already being heralded . . . and his "Erik Buell Signature" guitar is getting rave reviews and will soon be in production. I'll give you $1,000 for each minute of sleep Erik has lost over this. Court | ||
| Daves |
Yeah, you are probably right Court. So I take it you are not coming to Il in Sept Brian? Would've been fun. | ||
| Choptop |
So enjoy abusing your friends as long as you can keep them - Anonymous Ya know what? Shove it. I dont need to have you or anyone else at Buell questioning what I give to a group of friends or how I support their racing effort just because I disagree with the findings of a friggin article. if thats how you define "friends" and thats how shallow you are... I feel VERY sorry for you. | ||
| Choptop |
So whats next Anonymous? Because I dont like the shade of orange the new Buell comes in I must kick puppies and push nuns into traffic? what a putz. and ya wonder why we at Sacborg accuse posters here of being Kool-aide drinkers. its not tooooooo much of a stretch when you take into consideration the BS that has been generated here by just disagreeing with an article. (Message edited by Choptop on August 05, 2005) | ||
| Snail |
Anon., you wrote: "Snail, don't bet that the Hayabusa club would have welcomed you with open arms at Bonneville were you to have shown up with a Buell. Unfortunately, you, like them and Vic and Chop and Cecil, can take just fine as long as you don't have to give back." That was a rude thing to say, when I went to Bonneville I took a trailer, barbeque, elk steak, etc. and made the trailer and barbeque part of the Team Elves resources. After the event I spent a week cleaning salt out of my trailer, and you know what? I'd do it again, gladly. As Fireman Jim said, I opened my home, and my shop to the Buellers on the All Cali ride. I'd do that again too. I have never refused a favor to any Bueller, and have always responded to quetions about Buell maintenance, when I could help someone out. I was the one that originaly thought of an idea, a 'help Buellers' group that was developed by Don Casto. Anon., there's a lot more of the above in my portfolio. Lots more. I turned my back on Buell motorcycles, but never on the friends I have made in the Buell community. Now take a look at how I was treated on my first Brag ride. My Buell broke down and I was left, abandoned at the Laguna Seca track, with NO HELP whatsoever from either the Buell demo people, or the Brag organizers, (a year later I got a personal apology form Leslie over what happened), but it was friends, not Buell, that got me home. I paid my dues, like Vik (spelled with a 'k' for your info) I had a series of bad experiences with my '99 Buell, and moved on to a different brand. The Hayabusa people have treated me well, just like the Elves treat me well. We're friends, and neither they, nor I, particularly care what brand of bike we race. Hank Booth and John Noonan have provided me with parts, links, and spent hours explaining to me how to proceed with a current turbo project. They are excellent people. Terry Parsley tuned my Gixer on the Vallejo HD dyno last year. Anon., you owe me, Vik, and Chop an apology. Added - '"Snail, don't bet that the Hayabusa club would have welcomed you with open arms at Bonneville were you to have shown up with a Buell. Unfortunately, you, like them and Vic and Chop and Cecil, can take just fine as long as you don't have to give back." I donated 300 lbs. of #1 fresh caught troll salmon to be barbequed at Woz's pits at Laguna Seca for the enjoyment of some Buellers. Some money was raised by donation, and it was given to Woz's race team. My challenge to Anon. is to find one single person that has met me that will agree with his assesment of me. Just one person, out of over fifty Buellers I have met. (Message edited by Jon on August 06, 2005) | ||
| Snail |
One other thing to note on the Bonneville experience. After I got my record I let two different Elves ride my Gix to get into the 150 club, something they were't able to do with their Buells. | ||
| Choptop |
Noonan gave me a few nuts and bolts to put on my Triumph last time I ran it at Bonneville... so (Victory sign) to you Anonymous. Like Snail said, "friends" goes WAY beyond disagreeing which motorcycle might corner the best, which supermodel has the nicest arse (although I think I might have a little insight on that one  , having personally sampled... well, nevermind... but I'm sure there is some mathmatic formula which could tell us, beyond ANY question which one IS the best arse, no matter which one we think is best... ), or which brand of beer tastes better while discussing said topics. and Snail, dont expect an apologee. I suspect Anonymous wont offer one, or if Greg (thats Anonymous' name right?) did it wouldnt be genuine. Thats just how he feels about his friends, and thats fine. Not wrong or right, just how he is. sad really. (Message edited by Choptop on August 05, 2005) (Message edited by Choptop on August 05, 2005) | ||
| Brucelee |
This thread has become embarrassing. Geez, the magazine made the claim, why argue it here. The EGOS are running rampant. Put away your swords boys. Those of us who ride XBs are comfy with the bike, what it is and what it isn't. How hard is it to go and buy a used Honda F4 (nice bike by the way) and claim you are Rossi. Geez. get a life and move on and ride your Buells. That is why we are here! Off to ride, see you later. | ||
| Choptop |
make that 3 Team Elves... ya let me ride yer Gix to get my Class A license. But that doesnt count, since you and I were just moles in a sleeper cell inside Team Elves. we both know that we are members of the Super Secret Suzuki Society (secret handshake, whispered japanese phrase that means, "Yankee Round Eye Motocycles Suck Koi Pond Water"  . pullllll-leeeeeeeze.....  | ||
| Choptop |
Rider Assistance Network... Oregon - South Wstrn Paul Starkweather 541-247-2275 541-247-9446 Truck, trailer, shop, tools, storage, fresh crab California - Sacramento Vik Anderson 916-454-9759 916-454-9759 Tools, garage, couch, Pennsylvania - Eastern - Allentown to Philladelphia Brian Hengeveld 215-230-3439 215-205-9893 Truck, festering anti-Buell rant ready to be unleashed. Anonymous... ? (the sound of wind and tumbleweeds rolling past).... (Message edited by Choptop on August 05, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
what brucelee said. so much dickswinging, so little time. guys- move on. it's a M O T O R C Y C L E Not a religion. like the galderned Buellestinians VS. the HayabuZionists around here, lately. soem of you guys have got to get a life, I am awestruck at the anger that one nice, positive article in a magazine has incited. kinda ashamed for some of you (Message edited by tramp on August 05, 2005) | ||
| Choptop |
guys- move on. it's a M O T O R C Y C L E Not a religion. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ding, ding ding !!!!! altough its hard to tell sometimes around here. | ||
| M1combat |
What a maroon... Posted by Brian - "Erik Buell can bring an XB, suspension mods/tweaks allowed but otherwise has to be bone stock, to an AMA sanctioned track of his choosing (I'm sure it'll be the smallest one). I'll show up with my 2002 F4i and we'll see which bike turns better lap times. " Then posted by Dave - "I notice Brian, you picked AMA sanctioned track, they tend to be bigger with longer straights than most of the more club level tracks. We are talking about handling here aren't we? Why not make it any track if you are that confident. " Then posted by Brian - "Here we go again making special arrangements for the Buell." I suppose I'm just glad that you chose to include the word "we" so you could at least take part of the responsibility for making "special arrangements" Brian. The problem remains though... YOU are the one that decided to make special arrangements. The engine doesn't hold the bike back as much as you think Brian. It's just not delivered from the factory in race trim. If you'd like a race trim XB... go make one. It's the SAME story for just about ANY other bike (save the homologation specials of course ). | ||
| M1combat |
You're right Tramp... It's just a motorcycle. It's just an article. It's just a "W". It's just a #1 plate. It's just another box. I see your point... I do. It's just that I enjoy discussion. Not as much as riding by any means. But I can't do that RIGHT NOW. So I'll discuss. I type fast. It's not like it takes that much time... | ||
| Daves |
As long as we are debating handling don't you think it would be fair to go to a track that rewards handling? | ||
| Choptop |
As long as we are debating handling don't you think it would be fair to go to a track that rewards handling? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ a comparo would mean nothing,,,,(unless it comes out in favor of Buell  ) oh wait.... hey, i got an idea... how about Willow Springs? didnt I meantion that 12,000 posts ago? just to have it poo-poo'd? three tracks, no waiting. Wide open HP track (not all straights btw, with a set of the fastest cornerrs yer likey to find on ANY track ANYWHERE, Us or Eurpoe) Tight, Twisty track... good compbo of handling and HP. TIGHT track... a paved goattrail/go kart track. take yer pick, run all three. not that ones opinion would mean anything once you were done. | ||
| Choptop |
yo dave... will give a call on monday about huntin. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
This is Nuckin Futs!!!!!! We all should be able to play in the sandbox together!!!! Hey I got the solution - 2 laps around this island and the winner gets a big arse bottle of screech and a good feed of salted cod, scrunchions and brewis. All on ME. | ||
| Eeeeek |
M1 Combat, you've never ridden the new breed of superport/superbikes, have you? They come from the factory ready to race. Hell, the ZX6RR even comes with a 520 chain. I have literally seen people buy a new GSXR and a roll of white duct tape, tape over the headlights and slap some tape on the tail section, put on numbers, change the rear sprocket and tires and race competetively. Which comes back to my original point: For a Buell to be competetive, it takes a lot more. Not saying it can't be competetive or it doesn't handle well. Check the archives, I'm simply saying it's cost prohibitive to run a Buell comptetively. Does that have anything to do with the Bike Magazine article? No. OK, anony, time for you to throw in one of your insult grenades and run. Vik | ||
| Choptop |
So nothing new to add to the conversation other than insults... nice work Anon. | ||
| Anonymous |
Hey this article started with "Bike magazine rates Buell best cornering". The grenades came from the troller terrorists first. Darned right there'll be return fire. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
HEY, These sound just so fun, I think I'll go twice. Three festering ranters waiting for a Buell rider to show up for abuse. No wonder you hang out here, kinda like the pervert old guys on the teenage chat pages. not funny. not cool. Ferris | ||
| Choptop |
if by grenades you mean.. i dont agree with it. and then you start slinging insults...ala.. you cant ride, you take advantage of your friends... and now, the comparison to child molestors... all that carp after someone dared disagree with an article. you've done nohting BUT sling insults. all we've done is say we dont agree. (Message edited by Choptop on August 05, 2005) (Message edited by Choptop on August 05, 2005) | ||
| Whodom |
Back to the original subject of this thread, someone evidently scanned the mythical magazine that started all this and put the article on line: http://www.kyote.demon.co.uk/top50corneringbikes.pdf Looks like an interesting read. | ||
| Turnagain |
do I detect a problem? | ||
| M1combat |
. "Remove the emotion" and it scores second to the 999"R"... Yep. And for $20K-USD less . I wonder how much more drive (the only category it lost to compared to the 999"R" I could buy with $20K? A lot more than the duck waddles around with? Like I said 3 zillion posts ago? I suppose though, if you don't like it... Don't buy it. Go buy a 999R so you don't have to open the engine . Er, well, you'll still have to in what... 6K miles or something like that?  | ||
| Pammy |
That's some kind of math skilz there Steve. |
