| Author | Message | ||
     Ara |
I read somewhere else that the drive belts on the 2006 models are "indestructable." Does anybody know whether that's true and whether Buell recommends their use on the tubers? | ||
| Blue02m2 |
"Ulyssees .... new Goodyear drive belt ... lighter cleaner, more efficient ... last longer than chain drives ... will come on all 2006 Buell XBs." from Cycle World September 2005. | ||
| Jackbequick |
With the 2" increase in wheelbase the belt size may have changed. Its probably going to take a while to figure the parts interchangeability out. Jack | ||
| Outrider |
Jack...Both Al Lighton and Dave Stueve have posted the P/N of the new belt that fits the Tubers. It is the same as the belt used on the 2006 XB12S. Ara...Even though Al Lighton has several customers using the formerly new and improved 2005 XB12S belts on tubers, Buell can't actually endorse the use on newer belts on older bikes as they have not "tested" the combination. With all that Buell has/is working on I can well understand where they don't have the time to test all the potential combinations. However, like others, I believe it is safe to assume that if the new belt fits (and it does) that it will provide equal to or better than performance than the original. Me, I am betting on much better performance and peace of mind. Bill | ||
| Jackbequick |
Thanks Bill, I'm still on my first belt but will plan on using the newer one should a need arise. the things are expensive enough that I'm to likely to keep a spare around. And it is also the kind of thing that would not be where you need it when you need it. Jack | ||
| Outrider |
Sounds smart to me. I still have the original belt as well and will be swapping to the new one and having the new oil pump drive gear installed during my next service at Hal's. Needless to say, I have been waiting patiently for both of these parts for years.  | ||
| Blue02m2 |
Bill, I hate to flaunt my ignorance, but I'm coming up short trying to find the part numbers posted by Al & Dave. Any search tips? | ||
| Ara |
Bill, I agree. I'm also running the original belt on my '97 S3 but will probably change to the "new" belt when the time comes. Any chance you could post the P/N? | ||
| Dave |
G0500.1AAE http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=482848#POS T482848 DAve | ||
| Outrider |
DAve...Thanks for the link. | ||
| Ara |
Ditto. Thanks, Dave. | ||
| Ara |
Also: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/131166.html?1123078735#POST 490005 | ||
| Branebanger |
anyone have any details on how to change the belt on the new Ulysses? | ||
| Outrider |
What??? You wore yours out already???  | ||
| Branebanger |
heh nope - I'm just curious what's involved. I think i found my answer in another post somewhere (dont remember where), sounds like the axel, wheel, guards, and part of the rear right swing arm, have to be removed. how difficult is it to ensure proper tension while putting the rear wheel/axel back on? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Very complicated. You have to tighten two nuts.  Just put a new scorpion sync tire on the back of my 9sx, and the whole belt drive system really impressed me with just how idiot proof the whole system is. Even pulling the rear caliper to make it easy to get the rear wheel off could not have been easier. No tensioner adjustments to putz with, no worry about things being parallel, ust put the tensioner back in place, and tighten down two nuts to the correct torque. Tada! Tension set! | ||
| Metalstorm |
I just received my new 06 belt earlier this week & my Scorpion Syncs arrived today. I'll be pulling the wheels off this Friday & changing the belt. I know I got squat miles on the stock belt but I want the peace of mind that the new one will give. I'll keep the old one as a spare for one of those "just in case" scenarios. The wheels will get mounted Saturday. I can hardly wait. I got a little over 3200 miles on my 05' 12Scg & the last 300 of them have been on a "mostly" bald rear. I was reading through the service manual getting a acquainted with the removal procedure & it really is simple. I'm not the most mechanically inclined kind if fellow so when I find that I can do things on my bike myself it really impresses me how well they designed this bike. | ||
| Bbd |
i have a 99 m2 with uk gearing,can i get one of these new "indistructable"belts to fit,i like the uk gearing and dont want to change it to be able to fit one of the new belts? | ||
| Buellistic |
Bbd: The belts as "i" have been told that come on the XB"LONG" and XB12X will fit the TUBE FRAMES ... If 27/55 takes a 128 tooth belt you will be able to use the 2006 belt ... In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| M2nc |
I just put an '06 Goodyear belt on my '99 M2 after sheering some teeth off the old belt at the Drag Strip. I haven't broke it yet, so it's still indestructible to me. | ||
| Lovematt |
I just put the upgrade kit from American Sport Bike (Al Lighton's shop) and highly recommend it. The parts fit like a charm and the price is right. I did have to get a shop to replace the front pulley but that only cost $30 and I know it was done right. The belt is a HUGE improvement over the original 2003 belt...it almost feels stronger when riding it and visually it is about twice as thick... | ||
| Al_lighton |
Lafayette, NOT the XB long/XB12X, those are NOT 128 tooth. It is the regular XB belt that fits the tubers. 1.125 wide, 128 tooth, 14mm tooth pitch, same 27 tooth front pulley as on the tubers. There has been some question as to whether or not the rear brake MC needs to be replaced with the upgrade to the 04 system (06 belt). Buell DID change the rear brake MC in 04, they made the MC about 1/2" taller, and they did it because the pulleys ARE bigger and the belt is closer to the rear brake line. If you want to upgrade fully to 04 spec, then you should change the rear MC and possibly the rear brake line as well. HOWEVER, I did not. As the bike sits unladen, I measure 2.1 inches clearance between the top of the belt and the rear brake line after installing the 04 pulleys. Based on the length from the front pulley to the rear wheel, and the length from the front pulley to the rear brake line, I calculate that at a 5" wheel deflection, the belt will move vertically 1.6". That still provides .5" clearance to the line. Similarly, I calculated how much rear wheel travel would be required to have the belt travel up the 2.1" clearance that I measure. It specs at over 6" of rear wheel travel, which exceeds the Buell rear suspension specification by about 1". My conclusion is that there is some clearance at full suspension travel, so I did not change my MC. I also figured that you could take the whole rear brake off the bike altogether and it wouldn't make all that much difference to me. I use it every time I brake, but not much stopping power comes of it, so I didn't think it worth my time and effort to change it. YMMV. I should note that I have Sato rear sets on, but it sure looks like they put the MC in virtually the exact same position as stock. I also have the 04 belt on mine, not the 06 belt, which appears to be a little thicker. It may be only 2.0 inches of clearance on my bike with an 06 belt fitted. Still has clearance, though. Matt, can you measure the distance from the top of your belt to the brake line on your bike and report that back here? YMMV. I didn't change mine. I'm not recommending that you don't change yours. I'm just reporting my experiences. If you want to change it when you buy a belt upgrade kit, let me know and I'll get you one. Al (Message edited by al_lighton on September 27, 2005) | ||
| Lovematt |
Al, THANKS again for that upgrade kit...the bike both looks and feels so much better...much more solid when riding it. I measured vertically from the belt to the bottom of the hard line connector out of the rear MC and I come up with about 1 7/8" to the bottom of the hard line. I have the Woodcraft Rearsets on my XB9R but this seems safe enough to me. I had a buddy get on the bike and bounce it up and down while sitting on it and never saw less than a 1/2" gap although I didn't have much time to look. Personally I don't think there is a problem in that area...I tend to ride pretty smooth and doubt I would come close to bottoming out. As a safe guard I did put some foam around the hard line to see if it gets wacked...that will be a warning as the foam is about 1/4" thick. I am wondering about one thing...I am only running the front pulley cover as a guard...is there any potential problem with not running any rear guards at all? I ride when dry for the most part and on clean roads...when I swapped out my pulleys there were no nicks or anything except a few small normal pits...expected in 18,000+ miles. (Message edited by lovematt on September 28, 2005) | ||
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| Starbellied_sneetch |
A rock poked through my indestructible belt after a couple hundred miles. I've got to get a guard before I replace it so it doesn't happen again. | ||
| Blake |
Ara, No the newest version of the final drive belt is not "indestructible." Anyone characterizing the belt as such is doing folks a horrible disservice. In fact the BMC discussions of the new/improved belt I recall include clear recommendations for regular inspections and if damage or excessive wear is noted replacement of the belt with a new one, same as you would do for a chain minus the maintenance and adjustment required. The statement by BMC is that the new belt has no recommended replacement interval. Tires also have no BMC recommended replacement interval, nor do the various lights on the bike. These items are all "inspect and replace as required" items. The belt is now in that same category. | ||
| Blake |
And can I just say that Al never fails to impress with his KNOWLEDGE of all things Buell. Thanks Al! Just one more question: ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) What is the tooth count for the belt used on the longer wheelbase Buells? I was thinking like Buellistic that the tubers needed the longer version belt. So thanks again for the clarification on that point. |
