| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
"in the grand scheme of this net business you are a complete newbie. " Riiiight... I remember playing around on the "net" when it was only available to universities. I was only allowed to use it because I was helping UAF with their system (holding wires and testing functionality with the workstations). New to the net... I was around before the TERM newbie... I was programming (yes, I said programming) computers BEFORE the X86 architecture or DOS were hip... I remember when common languages were only a step above assembly. Yes, I'm only 27. "You bought your XB not that long ago & if I recall the story somewhat correctly you had a major pain getting it..." Yeah, I couldn't find insurance for less than $3K/Yr and I had to send the paperwork 300 miles north of the freakin' arctic circle to get signed. I made some financial mistakes six and a half years ago which made that a requirement... You're point would be? Thanks for making it happen Dave  . Back off? I'm not even on the offensive. Chop's the one challenging everyone and their brother to come race. What's the deal with that? I say just go ride and ride what you like. Why come here and rain on Erik's parade? Why ask questions like "What are you afraid of?". I'm not the one on the offensive if you ask ME. My initial post was only in remembrance of a conversation that Chop, Vik, a few others and I had some time ago. | ||
| Slaughter |
THIS is busting balls:  | ||
| Choptop |
Chop's the one challenging everyone and their brother to come race ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ you've got to be Anonn.... cuz you both mis-quote me in the same way... I never challenged everyone to race. Anonn. posted a challenge to me to run my SV in FUSA Thunderbike. I said I would do that if I could, and that I prolly wouldnt win, prolly wouldnt be last. I think my words were... some would pass me, I would pass others. Anonn. then siad I wasnt fast enough to ride these bikes to the edge. I responded by stating my racing stats are availible online for all to see, and that if Anonn. would like to test my speed, that could be arranged. open invitation to race Anonn. Again stating that I'm not the fastest, or the slowest. The main point being that if he/she/it wants confirmation that I can ride fast enough to truely get into the handling of these bikes the proof is readily availible. All Anonn. has to do is show up, and we'll go for a ride. i can even post my trackday/race scedule through the end of the year if Anonn. would care to show up and ride with me. so, in short.... NO, I did NOT challenge anyone and everyone to a race. | ||
| Jon |
M1combat is not "Anonymous". | ||
| Daves |
Hey M1, I think Dyna meant you were new around here, relatively speaking of course | ||
| Captjim |
"...a moving chicane for import riders..." That's funny!  | ||
| M1combat |
Maybe so Dave, but he used the phrase "in the grand scheme of this net business you are a complete newbie." I suppose "this net business" could mean new to this site... Sorry. I stand corrected . No, I am not anony. I do, however, understand that Anony post as such out of a business related necessity. And Anony is "probably" not an "it"... Chop... Just because you are fast (and faster than I am most likely) does NOT mean that you are capable of running the Buell (or any other bike) to it's limits. I seem to remember you saying that you rode the XB with D207's. The XB is FAR more capable than D207's. Why won't you even acknowledge this? | ||
| Choptop |
again, i never said i rode the XB with 207's.... if I recall they were Pirelli SuperCorsa's. I said i am capable of riding the bikes fast enough to feel the differences in handling. If I said, I'm fast enough to ride all bikes to their absolute limits... thats not the impression I meant to give. although I have run more than few bikes up the limit... Turns 5-8 at Willow let ya do that... WFO, tached out, top gear, knee on the ground, holding on for dear life... pretty much at the limit if you ask me... how can you go harder? you cant, yer already at 11 No one can REALLY ride all bikes to thier outside limits. With some excpetions (see above)... Rossi's bike is faster than he is, so to claim that one can is not true. What is true, is that to find out how a bike REALLY handles, it must be pushed hard. Like I've said, nealry any bike will handle well at normal road pace, most handle pretty good a brisk clip, only some handle well when really pushed, and that is where you start to seperate the ones that do handle well from those that dont. | ||
| Choptop |
and before ya jump all over that... NO, I'm not trying to say that a high speed corner is the be all end all of handling... There is flickablity, front end feel, stability... on and on that ALLLLlllll add up to make a bike "handle" well. so cool yer jets. I could just hear the next flame coming... | ||
| Choptop |
Well, if Anonn is posting as such because of "business" issues... huh.. what a crock. If you want to hide behind a mask, mis-quote someone, question someones record, riding ability, make unfounded claims to to ones own riding ability and race history... Anonn. is not someone I'd prolly do business with anyway so why bother hiding? again... Anonn. postings < zero credibility | ||
| M1combat |
I understand that. It's the same story with cars. I believe you stated in our previous conversation that you thought the tires were stock. If that's not the case, and they were indeed supercorsas then that's great  . Lemme ask this then... What were the handling deficiencies that you noticed? What makes you feel that the Mille and the 999 are superior in the handling dept? I've heard all you've said about why the other two are superior, but what's wrong with the XB in your opinion? Yes, I know I'm asking you to bash on the XB a little but I'd really like to know. Thus far you have only really pointed out the qualities of the others and haven't been real specific with the XB... You've mostly just said "well it's not as good IMO". So what's not as good? My assumption is that you do this because you aren't as intimately familiar with the XB as you are with the other two. Of course when you get done you KNOW I'm going to ask you if you were certain that the setup/tire pressure/etc were as good as they could get for you (because the bike is sensitive to that). | ||
| M1combat |
"Anonn. postings < zero credibility" MAYBE so... but as I understand the Anony function as it applies to the BadWeb... The admin's will uncover anyone that they don't feel should be posting as such. It's fairly difficult to abuse from what I've seen. /EDIT - I would imagine that posting as Anony probably annoys them about as much as it does you. (Message edited by m1combat on August 01, 2005) | ||
| Choptop |
so what does that article say anyway? someone has scanned the picture, or found it online... but yet there is no review of the meat of it. curious. | ||
| Tripper |
Approved Anonymous Posters A term we use around here for contributors who are vetted by the board administrator and trusted. Each and every anon posting is checked by one or more custodians and/or the admin, and any poster not meeting requirements is outed. So far, no outing required in this thread. Relax on the anon status. Thanx, Custodial ninny and sex slave to Blake. DaveT} | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Hey M1, I think Dyna meant you were new around here, relatively speaking of course Zactly, thanks for clarifying that Dave. Also M1, while you are questioning Chop why not answer the same questions yourself? What makes you an aforementioned quasi expert on how good certain bikes handle? Because you read it here? Have you pushed any bikes other than your XB to its limits? Any track day experience to speak of & if so have you completed them on various bikes in an attempt to get a feeling for each? You want to bash Chop for supposedly not pushing an XB to its limit yet have you even ridden any other bikes? Im not saying I agree or disagree with the article...havent read it, but at least Chop has experienced the various bikes he talks about & is at the very least qualified to give his own opinion regarding it. Does that make him right or wrong? | ||
| Choptop |
I bow to the Admins on the Approved Anonymous Poster status. however, i can still call BS on any claims the Approved Anonymous Poster has made and/or challenge his/her/its integrity. my record is clear, theirs is not. he/she/it had one valid point... when one pust ones opinion out there, one is open to riducle and rebuttal. Very true. I've put my opinion out there and have supported it with my experince. the Approved Anonymous Poster has not done the same however. by simply being an Approved Anonymous Poster they shield themselves from the very principles, and the one valid point he/she/it has. the rest of his/her/its postings have been unfounded claims, mis-quotes, attempts as sarcasm, attempts to impune my riding abiltiy.... in short, a load of... welll... its a family discussion board. the offer stands, Approved Anonymous Poster is welcome to ride with me and sample any of the bikes I have at my disposal. In fact any of ya are. This is not a challenge. This is an invite to a trackday, come on out and have some fun. Ride some different bikes. See for yerself. | ||
| Choptop |
and just what does that article say anyway? | ||
| Kandie |
How do you become a sex slave to Blake?? Does it pay well??  | ||
| M1combat |
"You want to bash Chop for supposedly not pushing an XB to its limit yet have you even ridden any other bikes?" Again... I don't really intend to "bash" choptop about anything. I probably come off that way because that's who I am. I tend to say how "I" feel and if someone doesn't like it's their problem. I tend to think that Chop and I are probably a lot alike . As far as riding other bikes... A few. I rode an SV650 just yesterday. The suspension wasn't setup for me (is there even any adjustment???) and the handlebars were a tad bent . I owned an '82 CB-750 that I pushed on quite a bit for a couple thousand miles. I thought it handled pretty well. It was heavy so it tended to exceed it's available grip fairly easily, but it turned in nicely and seemed reasonably stable so it "handled" alright. Of course I know that both of those are hardly credible examples to compare to riding an XB on it's limit. I haven't stated anywhere that I have more experience on tarmac than Chop does. I'm quite certain I don't. I have riden dirtbikes since before I could touch the ground on a KD-80M though. I had a 250 2-stroke when I was 9 (I still think my step mother was trying to kill me...). Suspension has been one of my very favorite topics for quite some time. The deficiencies in the XB (as I'm sure it's not "perfect" would probably stem from possibly having a frame that may be considered too stiff for some. Maybe not... I don't know. I just know that Chop comes in here and says things like "The moto rags were too pesimistic, now they're too optimistic." Why? What if they're right? I'm quite certain that the 999 and Mille are VERY capable bikes. ONE of the bikes produced HAS to be the best handling. Why couldn't it be the Buell? It DOES have the features. There's obviously some EXCELLENTLY engineered pieces on the bike that show how good the Buell engineers are. Why would the "package" be any less? I can SEE it THROUGH the kool-aid . Again... What characteristics do you NOT like about the XB (or at least find inferior enough to say that the whole package adds up to less) Choptop? Oh and btw... I would LOVE to read the article... I havent' yet. I'll check Barnes&Noble when I get off work. | ||
| M1combat |
That depends on how many sponsors you bring in Kandie . | ||
| Tripper |
Kandie: The pay Chop, Thanx. The invitation is out there. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he/she shows up. I'll send you a copy of BIKE after I find it at Borders. | ||
| Snail |
I'm sure the article is right even though I haven't read it yet. That's precious. | ||
| Xlcr |
You know, I'm seeing these guys on every Buell board anymore. Their technique is simple. They pretend to be pro-Buell, but that's just a front. They say that just as protective covering so they won't be kicked off the board. If they get too out of line and it looks like they pissed too many people off, then they say, "hey, wait a minute, I LIKE Buells!". Yeah, right! The trouble is, I've seen them using the exact same technique too many times in too many places, and frankly, I'm surprised the rest of you are falling for it/putting up with it. So basically, they are starting off with a bold-faced lie, so it's only logical to assume everything else they say is also a lie. I don't think most of them have actually owned or even ridden a Buell. I think they are just hard-core haters/complusive liars that have nothing better to do with their time than to try to make a career out of trying to bad-mouth Buell out of existence. This a great moment for Buell, but of course the Buell haters go into a blind rage every time any Buell does something better than their precious crotch rockets. I was just all but kicked off of what I once thought of as my home board at Gigabikes for posting this headline. They didn't mind me posting updates on the Ulysses, but the moment there was even a suggestion that their precious Jap crap wasn't the very best in every possible category they turned on me like rabid dogs. I guess I touched a nerve. They have to preserve their twisted view of reality somehow I suppose. There just seems to be this need among them to imagine that their choices make them smarter than everyone else. I'm glad I'm not that insecure. Guess I won't be spending as much time there anymore. PS, One thing I do agree with, I'm 150 miles from the nearest store that sells Brit mags here. Won't SOMEONE PLEASE go buy that issue so we can see exactly what it says? | ||
| Dbird29 |
That's "Buell Haters©" <---- copyrighted!  | ||
| Bigblock |
I have been on bwb 5 years, and have read your posts before and maybe even chatted with ya, I'm not a frequent poster. And I always thought you were a pretty cool dude. I mean, come on! You wear chaps at the dragstrip! I got a pair myself, and use them often. :-) After following this thread for a while, I hope i don't have to change my opinion. I can understand defending one self from percieved "attacks", but I haven't really seen anything here TOO out of line CONSIDERING THE SUBJECT MATER OF THE POST!!!!! Check yourself dude! You the one throwing down the gauntlet, and it ain't sounding too pretty anymore. So Bike liked the R. Get over it. I was hoping to gloat a little in the cool positive press(Finally) and everytime I come back to this thread, it's this. And I realize it's not just you, and you're entitled to your opinion, etc.etc.etc...So I guess I'll shut the heck up now and not come back to this thread! Here's me ducking for cover!  | ||
| Xlcr |
Also, it should be obvious to anyone with eyes that you are letting Crapshop and Smell double team you here. Don't fall for it! You ought to just boot these Azzholes! (Message edited by xlcr on August 01, 2005) | ||
| Bigblock |
And the beginning of my post was supposed to say "Dear Choptop" | ||
| Court |
>>>so what does that article say anyway? Given the passion, time and energy that folks, many of whom don't own Buells, have seen fit to invest in taking these British moto-journalists to task . . . I am beginning to think it's not the BIKE magazine I want to see, it's the one behind it with all these passionate letters to the editors declaring the Brits as knowing so darn little about motorcycles. Also chuckling that following 10's of thousands of words of succinctly stated opinion that no minds have changed. The Ulysses remains a HOME RUN. I like that. Court | ||
| Choptop |
XLCR... you indeed take the cake. jap crap, havent even owned a Buell... you got me.. you really do... I'm not a Buell fan at all, never ridden one, never owned one.. the pics are all photoshopped... the stories all fake... BigB.... again, the only gauntlet I've thrown down is to the A.A.P. after he/she/it challenged my riding ability. if you find any other actual challenge, or insinuated challenge in my posts, feel free to smash me in the face with it. coming around full circle YET again, to the orginal though in my post... I wonder what has changed to make the press go from an overly pessimistic view of Buells to a overly optomistic view? which means... what does the article say? thats hardly raining on anyones parade. its a valid question... one that 4 pages on, bold face untrue accusations, and days later, no one has answered. | ||
| Bigblock |
Hmm, funny, YOU haven't read the article yet either, apparently, and yet are convinced they are taking an overly optimistic view? That right there sounds a bit like a challenge, and I would say that you are throwing down the gauntlet in tone on this thread if not in actual words to the entire staff of Bike! Of course, maybe it's a joke cover, and the content is the usual Buell hating tripe, after all, no one has apparently read the interior of the mag at this point! Ducking for cover, after coming back when I should'na... |
