| Author | Message | ||
     Rageonthedl |
http://news.micronexhaust.com/newproducts.php/79 | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
OOOOOOOOOOOO......purty! Wunder how much $$$... | ||
| M1combat |
Those bends look just plain UGLY from a technical standpoint... Or at least from my technical standpoint anyway. I have a feeling the stock header is better. | ||
| Rageonthedl |
who knows how well it will work, i really dont like the looks of the tips on the muffler | ||
| Cataract2 |
Interesting though. So, looks like Micron is getting into the exhaust business for Buell now eh? Had one on my FZR and really liked the look and sound of it. Wonder how this one will look and sound along with how it will perform. (Message edited by cataract2 on July 30, 2005) | ||
| Cmm213 |
Well really can't say anything till we see some numbers, but all the new micron headers I see in mags are hydroformed like that. So they must do something, they looked pinched to me but who knows. I really dont like the tips either. But Micron has came a long way from years back. | ||
| Typeone |
curious about the header performance but man are those tips hideous. great to see more Buell exhaust options though! | ||
| Dana P. |
Pulled from another sight.What I hear $1200.00.To much for what it may give you.IMO   | ||
| Al_lighton |
I've been in contact with Micron on that for a while, supposedly will have dyno plots next week. I will post whatever they send me when I get it. Al | ||
| Frausty12r |
Agreed M1Combat, From a technical/fluid mechanics standpoint, those bends are worthless. The only reason I could see pinching down the pipe is for back pressure, perhaps the muffler is non baffled, or has very little restriction, so they had to create backpressure along the header pipe.. dunno, but for 1200$ I'd go for the Tiforce Exhaust... thats thing looks... sooo yummy.. http://www.tiforce.com/2003/04imgs/buell/BUELL_2.jpg (Message edited by frausty12R on July 31, 2005) | ||
| Devilbuell |
Would it be safe to say that American Sportbike will be carrying the new Micron serpent system? If so please keep us posted...I'm interested. | ||
| Bigsherm9r |
Frausty & M1- Those bends have been developed extensively in world superbike. Micron uses the same design on the Foggy/Petronas bike. They know what they're doing. Something about the way the exhaust behaves when going around a bend. It's made by hydroforming, they put the tubes in a mold and fill them with high-pressure liquid. It's not six-pack engineering like it looks. Sherm | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Yea, Hydroforming is a pretty exact process. It will make for a VERY strong pipe too. Most frames on pickup trucks (good ones anyway) are hydroformed. | ||
| Al_lighton |
I am looking into carrying it, but not without the right data first. I received some pictures of the front mount today, and expect some dyno plots very soon. They have some that were done in the UK, but they plan on duplicating the tests here. I asked them to please include the A/F data if possible, as any time you deviate substantially from the reversion conditions of the Buell race muffler, you can throw out using the race ECM to fuel it properly and the torque curve will be filled with peaks and valleys. Most folks don't want to mount up a power commander, due to the need to fully develop a custom map from scratch for it at significant expense. But if it can make the power when properly fueled, and they can demonstrate that to me, I'd love to carry it. The Tiforce won't even LET you mount the power commander though, because the O2 bung is in the wrong place to accommodate it. The TiForce is beautiful, and I can get it for someone that wants it, but I don't advertise it because of that issue. If this Micron pipe makes decent power and solves such issues so that I can make the proper recommendations to potential customers, I'll carry it. But the jury is still out, I'm waiting for more info first. Al | ||
| Lightisright |
I remember reading somewhere when the serpent pipes came out (and I'd swear another company did it first...) the talk was all about it reducing reversion (pressure waves the wrong way) without pinching down flow. Seems to me that the bigger the cylinder, the worse of a problem that reversion is, hence the exhaust valves on liter bikes and 12's. These Micron's could be just the ticket, other than the insane cost. | ||
| Max |
Cost on that pipe is insane.....  | ||
| Devilbuell |
Thanks Al, keep us posted. | ||
| Nedwreck |
Light, I seem to remember Arrow developed those. A sort of cobra shape they were. It was inlet, downturn, flair. They only made them for inline fours. Bob | ||
| Nasty73z |
If you go to the photo gallery on their website there are a bunch of pics of it. Looks like I may have to start saving. A friend of mine put a full Micron Serpent system on an '04 GSXR 1000 and it made 16 more horsepower to the wheel...mmm...over 100 rwhp with only exhaust and tuning.. | ||
| Dana P. |
Don't hold your breath. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
That's really ugly to my eye. | ||
| Steve_larson |
We normally just watch as this is not our board, but in a very short note we would like to clear up something about the hydroforming as some inaccurate information appears to be moving around. The engineers at Micron UK invented, devised and implemented the first methods for using hydroforming in exhaust systems, and to date, are still the ONLY company in the World manufacturing fully hydroformed exhaust systems. (And there have not only been inline fours, the Red Bull Ducati 996 we won the British Superbike title with used one of the wildest hydroforms we have done to date.) But this technology and design was created by Micron UK 6 years ago, and nobody has come close yet. There is one other company which is using "one" hydroformed bend on a regular bending machine tube design, but that is a long way from fully hydroformed. We of course offer our fully hydroformed system, and the "other" who has one bend you can see the ads in magazines for, but Arrow is not one of them. That, to date, is our knowledge of who has this technology. Hope this information helps clear up the discussion just a bit. Feel free to offer up any comments you wish on our design, we are listening and hope that if you have questions you will visit our site and read about hydroforming or email us with any questions. Thanks for your time. Steve Larson Customer Support Micron North America 1-888-963-1212 | ||
| Jeremyh |
Wow, I think its just nice to see a rep from a company such as micron coming out and sticking up for their product. Maybe this will help eliminate some of the Engineered Know it Alls. I think the MICRON sets a pretty darn good standard for most to try to catch up to. As far as the style goes, maybe all the old timers and old school fogies just need to get with the times. And as far as all of you who think that leading engineering and super powerful motors came from using the same old crap they always have.....think again. Its not as if Einstein said,"well my ideas are different so they must not work." | ||
| Litng_dave |
It has to do with fluid dynamics guys. In a nut shell, Fluids (of which exhaust gases are) can not go around a tight bend at a constant speed, the flow is not laminar in a round section container (think of what happens to the flow of water in a river that must go around a tight bend). Therefore the gases are moving at different speeds in different portions of the the pipe, the gases moving at in the portion of the pipe at the greatest distance from the central axis of the bend radii cannot "speed-up" to catch-up with the gases traveling a shorter distance at the inside of the bend radii, so what really happens is the gases traveling the shorter distance actually slow down their velocity impeding the gas flow through the whole bend radius. What the "Serpentine" bends attempt to accomplish is reducing the differential in speed between the inside and outside portions of the the bend to main a maximum flow velocity, the by product of this is a somewhat oval cross section of the tubing to maintain the internal "area" required for maximum flow. Think about it, it will start to make sense. | ||
| Bigeasy |
I just called micron to see if they had some dyno numbers for the pipe. They said testing will begin on wednesday. | ||
| Lightisright |
It's the same concept used in cyl head port design, you see a lot of D shaped exhaust ports for the same reason. But I'm no expert. Also, glad to see Micron come in with good info to help clear the air. | ||
| Glitch |
So exhaust isn't restricted going through a pipe that gets smaller? I don't understand. And to think I just got my head around the idea of exhaust pulses hitting the head at overlap so it can help with cylinder fill. Maybe I don't need to understand. Maybe a good dyno comparison including A/F ratio will be all I need. | ||
| Bubabuell |
I like it. Pricey yes, but to my odd eye it's interesting. Curious about the dyno numbers. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Glitch, I thought the same thing, but I'd guess that: 1) Hydroforming allows the pipe walls to "stretch" in the "flattened" part so the internal volume is not adversely affected. or 2) the "flattened" part is the critical smallest volume necessary for optimum flow, not the "round" sections. | ||
| Spatten1 |
To add to the above, I'd think that the increased surface area would also necessitate some accomodation in overall volume, but I ain't no njineer. |
