| Author | Message | ||
     Onebuell |
I rather have 200 in my pocket and just take off the plastic piece on the stock set up and have the same effect. | ||
| Elff |
Make your laundry detergent one and install it. Otherwise you are just being a puss and insulting a well made product | ||
| Sokota |
Eexb, oil tempature is taken as soon as bike is stopped.As long as it takes to remove helmet from head and dipstick from swingarm.It represents the average tempature of lubricant before it is returned to engine to do it all over again, and again... | ||
| M1combat |
He has a habit of that Elff... | ||
| Trojan |
Onebuell Until you actually see or use one I don't think you can call it a piece of '*&^% carbon that don't do much-a-nuthin' any more than I can criticise your bike/house/car/life without seeing it. Bottom line is if it didn't work we wouldn't make it. By the way, if you just remove the original plastic and don't replace it with something you will actually make the cooling WORSE not better, but given your scientifically accurate comments earlier you probably know that already. | ||
| Onebuell |
look trojan man YOU are the one trying to SELL stuff here. Not me ! I'm the bad guy right? I supposed you are a physics expert on wind, and aerodynamics. I ran the bike w/ and w/o that stock plastic r. side cover. Noticed nothing different. The average joe backyard mechanic mind of mine says, the plastic removed opens up more direct air hitting the motor from the side. The front air flow goes around that tube anyhow with or without the plastic cover. Go on and sell your snake oil scoops for 200 smackers american and im sure you will get plenty of yuppy riding americans to buy your quack products. It's their bread man. | ||
| Onebuell |
and another thing... mr trojan man. If one can not take criticism of their work you will not learn and you lose customers. And that is a sign of a bad business policy. One should LISTEN to their customers and/or potential customers. If Harley or Buell or any manufacturer didn't listen to what people want or don't want or like or don't like or think is worthwhile or not worthwhile they would not be surviving today. | ||
| Brucelee |
OneBuell I have the Trojan scoop, it works and works well. Why can't you fathom something so simple. If YOU don't want to buy it, don't. Saying it does not work when you don't have one is a pretty interesting position to take. Think about it! | ||
| Elff |
Onebuell Constructive criticism is one thing, calling something a piece of •••• is another You did the later and as such are just being an @-Hole | ||
| Dagwood |
It must be exhausting to hate so much... Onebuell, repeat after me, Om Mani Padme Hum... | ||
| Onebuell |
oh look....name calling now>? because i think a product is a piece of worthless $#!+ and this guy is using this board to SELL something? and im the bad guy for enlightening you all to it? | ||
| Brucelee |
Dude, I don't think you are enlightening anyone here. Since you do not have the product, your credibility on how useful it is, would be quites suspect, no? Give us a break and take a hike. Your motives are clear. | ||
| Ponytail |
Onebuell...you're a putz. Now that I have the name calling covered, allow me to continue. I am an educated and certified airframe engineer for the largest aerospace manufacturer in the world. I know airflow. I have the right side scoop, and I know that it works. It's a sensibly engineered mod and given it's relative age on and in a relatively small market, it's $200 price tag is understandable, and from what I've experienced with it, it's worth it. I like the way it looks on the bike, adding some symmetry, and I know without a doubt that my electric fan is running less with that installed. You removing the OEM plastic cover will harm your bike. Unless you've learned how to ride your bike sideways, airflow will not bend and enter the cooling fins "from the side" as you stated unless directed by force in that direction. You are one person trying to make a good company look bad. You say that they aren't listening to their customer. Where do you suppose the idea came from in the first place? You are one person, not even a customer, so why the hell should they listen to you? Telling a company to NOT make something, does not make you a customer. The logic in your posts is non-existant, and certainly non-technical, and obviously does not come from experience. So, tell us exactly, what DO you have to bring to the table that is worth reading? I like what I see in the Trojan products, and think that they've got a good design crew, marketing skills and customer service. All are attributes that are rare in modification companies offering motor accessories today. I frequently check their website for new products and look forward to seeing more from them for MY Buell. (Message edited by ponytail on July 20, 2005) (Message edited by ponytail on July 20, 2005) | ||
| Onebuell |
" I am an educated and certified airframe engineer for the largest aerospace manufacturer in the world. I know airflow. " and you don't even understand crosswinds? hahahahahahahahahahaha | ||
| Road_thing |
Play nice, gentlemen. Trojan is a sponsor, it's OK if he reps his stuff on BWB. rt | ||
| Onebuell |
You removing the OEM plastic cover will harm your bike. oh it's all of a sudden gonna blow up right? i have a 1999 superglide with 92,000 miles on it no oil cooler, no air scoops, no fans, no pressure cookers. and 92,000....thats THOUSAND miles. the problems were stators, 2 of them and clutch hub more recently. the engine is in tip top shape... why? oil changes... thats why. frequent and more then the book says. i don't give a crap what aerospace engineer standpoint you have or what not. air is air. run a xb 92,000 miles first and then come tell me what that 200 dollar piece of (^%$ does or does not to an Evo based sportster engine. I am willing to bet something gear box oriented or clutch, or stator related goes bad on a XB before some lil ol heat on the back cylinder does that has a FAN and a oil cooler on it already ! and what about buell's "SUPERIOR" kick stand that broke on my bike already. why don't you engineer guys do something with PRACTICAL applications rather than cosmetic bolt on expensive bull^%#$ to get money out the buell public? that buell motor will run 92,000 miles as is. i seen and heard of several 100,000 mile EVO based engines. when do you notice the heat? on the streets right? on the short hauls right? thats obvious. so what. on the highway you hardly notice anything if you are paying attention to your riding and not worrying about some damm heat. and who the F*** are you calling me a putz? you F***ing RUB ! get out of the working class world and back into your cushy air conditioned engineer office where you belong ! im going to "harm" my buell huh? just the same way i ruined a 99 FXD with 92,000 and counting miles right? and to think i aint got no engineer degree right? imagine dat ! | ||
| Brucelee |
"and to think i aint got no engineer degree right? imagine dat !" Who could have guess that you don;t have a degree? Wow, given your quality of expression I would have thought AT LEAST a graduate degree! BTW-away from theory, if my bike's fan now runs about 5% as much as it did before I installed the right side air scoop, what does your genius mind tell you about that? Twerp! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Yikes! Somebody hit a nerve. If heat was not an issue on Evo engines, how come virtually *every single one* that ever bled out a rocker box (which was probably *every single one* made before the metal gasket switch in 2002) was leaking out the back gasket before it leaked out the front? It was like clockwork... back goes first, repair and replace, then 3000-6000 miles later, the front one goes. I think there have been a number of people here running the extra scoop, and all have reported the fan runs less. Even if there is not a reliability advantage, there is an "I am sick of listening to that fan humming away" advantage. | ||
| Onebuell |
"about 5% as much" is not a scientifically proven fact. ride it 92,000 miles first then talk to me. and i write the way i wish and how i will. | ||
| Elff |
Onebuell Yes, you are the bad guy because of the way you presented yourself and your denouncement of a product. Instead of providing reasons as to why it doesnt work, and provide examples of poor workmanship, you call it a piece of ••••. That is not enlightening, that is bashing and provides nothing constructive If you dont want to be called names, then dont set the tone of the conversation to one where that will result. But if you start by dropping bombs like you did, then expect to get reply's My reasons for the scoop on my bike are as follows 1) I do most of my driving in traffic 2) Symetric look of the bike 3) well made mod that I can not fabricate myself 4) I had the money to burn It has performed as advertised and fit perfectly with no modifications needed for installation To me, that's money well spent | ||
| Onebuell |
heat didnt cause the early evo leaks. it was the gasket/sealing. no o-rings were used on the early evo's to my understanding. the 1999 twin-cam in my bike NEVER had any base leaks or rocker box leaks. | ||
| Brucelee |
Well, let me go VERY SLOWLY for you here. "about 5% as much" is not a scientifically proven fact." I never said this was a proven fact, simply my experience with the scoop, which of course, you have none of. So, certainly, I can speak to the scoops ability to eliminate the need for the fan in all but one riding situation. You of course, cannot speak to the scoops effectiveness at all. "ride it 92,000 miles first then talk to me." Nonsense comment here. No one suggested that the scoop will make my XB last 92K miles or any number of miles for that matter. You did state that it does not work, when in fact it does work, in keeping the cooling fan from coming on. Again, since you don't have one, you are of course, blowing smoke out of your AHOLE. "and i write the way i wish and how i will." Self-evident, and pretty pathetic to boot! | ||
| Reepicheep |
If heat was not a significant factor in the leaks, why did the rear always leak first? | ||
| Irresistible_force |
Reading your ill-tempered rants is getting old, Onebuell. You have likely managed to "sweet-talk" the good-natured folks who participate at BWB into thinking very little of you. If you doubt me, take a poll. Learn a little self control because you are clearly your own worst enemy, son. Most of us are here to share our love of bikes and learn a thing or two. It's not to much to ask for a little restraint and courtesy. | ||
| Ponytail |
I have an EVO. And I have replaced the rocker box gaskets with the new copper base gaskets now available. The o-rings were not the problem, and yes, there were o-rings. The problem was the rocker gaskets were made of paper. Heat would affect the gasket, rear first, by shrinking it, as heat does to paper. The new gaskets are now a rubber coated copper. No problems since. Airflow is not a big a problem for the HD v-twins, because they are more open to the air, do not run the same compression, lower rpms, and not nearly as aggressive as a Buell is ridden, hence less heat, much less. Oil coolers are available and recommended for warmer climates on Evo's, as are lower air scoops. An HD will NEVER get run as hard as a Buell will over it's lifetime. If you try to run it as hard, you will have problems, similar to those seen on Buells. Belts, drivetrain, clutch...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to be able to understand that. As for my cushy office job...well, it's next to an aircraft on the hangar floor. My office is any one of the 7 aircraft that we have here at Flight Test on the Navy Air Base, at any given time. I understand crosswinds quite well. So, did you install wings or propellers on your Buell? Do you only ride 90 degrees to the wind? LOL...you're finally starting to become entertaining. | ||
| Blake |
Onebuell and everyone joining in on the divisive commentary here. Please cease engaging in any/all unhelpful negative insulting commentary here. Bill (Reep), You are making a huge leap to arrive at your conclusion re the rear rocker box gaskets. Lots of other factors that could contribute to such failures. And you are also way off base in thinking that all Buells with the paper gaskets suffered failures. I had two each with over 15K miles that didn't. Common? Yes. Unavoidable? No. I experienced one rockerbox gasket failure at ~2,500 miles on a 2000 Cyclone. The failure appeared to me to be due to reckless installation as evidenced by a portion of the gasket in the left rear corner being very poorly seated, a bit crimped and well off center of where it should have been seated. I put a new paper gasket on it and ran the bike for ~15,000 miles before selling it in favor of another '97 Cyclone. I ran that '97 Cyclone, my current ride, through 13K miles with no problems including a few track days. I then had NRHS/Brian Nallin install a new 1250cc performance top end (yes with the new metalic rockerbox gaskets), new cams and some other good stuff. We can certainly agree that whatever the root cause of the problem, the new gaskets and new rockerboxes of the X-engine seem to have solved that particular issue. | ||
| Onebuell |
ride 92,000 miles. then talk. | ||
| Onebuell |
"An HD will NEVER get run as hard as a Buell will over it's lifetime." Did them buell riders that toured on their buells ride a 820 mile day? | ||
| Onebuell |
RIDE IT 92,000 MILES. THEN TALK ABOUT IF THAT 200 DOLLARS YOU "SPENT." WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS RIDE 92,000 MILES ON A BUELL WITH A RIGHT-SIDE AIR SCOOP AND REPORT ON IT? OTHERWISE IF YOU DON'T PRESENT ME WITH COLD FACTS AS TO THE LONG TERM BENEFIT OF THE 200 DOLLARS SPENT ON SOME FIBERGLASS COVER THEN IT IS A WORTHLESS WASTE OF 200 DOLLARS. LET ME SEE A 92,000 MILE BUELL WITH, AND A 92,000 MILE BUELL WITHOUT AN AIR SCOOP... | ||
| Kaveman |
Ok OneBuell You win... Don't spend the $200. I spent it, I think it looks cool and probably works... But hey it's MY $200!!! As for the stock right side piece. I believe that manufacturers tend to make things cost as little as possible, hence, Buell must have thought the right side stock piece does something or they wouldn't have spent $2 or $20 or whatever on it. Keep costs down and such... Anyway, just save YOUR $200 and give it a rest already... Off Soapbox... Kaveman |
