| Author | Message | ||
     Blublak |
..... Thoughts, Prayers and Best Wishes to all those injured and the families of those murdered and maimed by a group of soulless bastards. Someone over there once gave a little speech about 'Never Surrender' and 'Fighting on the beaches, on the streets, wherever they may go'.. I'm sure those words still ring true. May Hereford get to make a few 'personal' calls.. soon.. God Bless.. | ||
| Thunderboltloon |
Thank you to all our American friends for your kind words. I travel into London to work every day: I'm very happy to say that our city is already returning to normal, shrugging off the terrorist's attack as the cowardly and worthless act it is. Our nations have stood shoulder to shoulder against much bigger villains than these cowardly terrorists, and I'm proud and glad that we are the closest of allies. | ||
| Rocketman |
The bastards deserve no quarter. To attack the civilian population like they've done before in other countries is nothing short of murder. The f**kers will pay. The British security forces will see to it. I wouldn't wish to bring comparison to 9 - 11 but I understand the victory bringing down the Twin Towers must have brought 'them'. I always thought those that did it got 'lucky' never realizing the towers would actually collapse and the loss of life would be so huge. London was about murdering innocent every day people mostly traveling to work or school. It has nothing to do with bringing down great symbols of western enterprise or whatever. The f**kers will pay. I'm sure all us Brit's welcome the sympathy posted here. It's just a damn shame the world is so f**ked up to need it. Rocket | ||
| Eurotwins |
We feel your pain and stand beside you...John | ||
| Glitch |
It's just a damn shame the world is so f**ked up to need it. Amen Brother! After seeing and hearing what I have, I am envious of the British attitude towards this. Ya'll are as tough as HillBillies! Keep it up! | ||
| Aesquire |
No one in this nation danced in the streets about London on 7/7. We even cheered London winning the Olympics. ( though we were teasing the Parisians for losing. ) Despite the arguments as to how to fight the death cult that plagues civilization, no sane person doubts the need to. We're with you, Brits. | ||
| M2me |
No one in this nation danced in the streets about London on 7/7. No one except Fox News that is. They say it's to our advantage because, "It takes global warming off the front burner. It takes African aid off the front burner. It sticks terrorism and the fight on the war on terror, right up front all over again." All right! Terrorism is Number 1 again! Terrorism rules!  Fox News is getting truly sickening! Link | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok, mark your calenders. I agree with M2me. I do note other talking heads bemoaning the exact same thing. That terrorism will displace aid to Africa at the G8 talks. It did not. This is not the proper thread to knock stupid & wrong headed journalists. I stand by my statement. England's former colonies, Canada, Australia, & the U.S. are the success stories of the planet. My words here are but a pale echo of the emotion I have seen the last 2 days. No sane person here cheer's the murderers. Controlled rage, and sympathy sums up America's real attitude. | ||
| Blake |
The miserable terrorists must be wiped from this Earth! I agree that it was utterly ludicrous that the primary focci of the G8 were Africa and Global Warming. I agree that security and the war against mulsim terrorists should be by FAR the number one concern. Facts are facts, the world now knows it too. | ||
| Bomber |
honorable people disagree all the time -- the fact of the matter is that the troubles in Africa and (perhaps) Global warming affect a larger number of folks directly than terrorism (I say perhaps due to the level of disagreement in the scientific community) There's Important, there's Urgent, and there's Important AND Urgent -- simple prioritization activities show us how to deal with many, if not all of these problems in a parallel manner sorry for the rant -- the simple fact is that we're shoulder to shoulder with the UK -- I trust this latest helps get the rest of the world on board | ||
| M2me |
Another fact is that terrorism has been around basically as long as civilization has. It's not just arrogant but also ill advised for the U.S. to say, "We've been hit hard by terrorists and therefor everything else must be put on the back burner." Giving terrorism the number one priority is the worst way to combat terrorism! I'm not worried about the UK. They're no strangers to terrorism. They know what to do. I'm starting to feel a little more confident about my fellow Americans too. I believe that more and more Americans are starting to realize that we made mistakes in our response to terrorism. We live in the greatest country on earth. A bunch of Islamic thugs can't derail it. It's time to put the terrorists where they belong, on the back burner! | ||
| Blake |
Yes, we can multi-task, my point is one of priorities. It is not an all or nothing type of situation. Security first, then feed and doctor the world. The lack of considerate thoughful communication between those with opposing political views is unfortunate. Seems we tend to assume the worst possible meaning in anything the other has to say. Some even stoop to impuging an entire cable news station based upon a few comments by a morning talk show host. Lash out, attack, impugn, isult... I am SICK of it. That kind of BS never ever produces anything positive. I shun it. It is a soul depleting evil habit. John, I disagree and so do most Americans. Why? Because muslim terrorism is responsible for the conquest and oppression of almost all currently held muslim lands. It was only with great effort and sacrifice that some formerly conquered peoples were able to evict their muslim oppressors (Spain for one). Do you really imagine it a great idea to ignore the people trying to destroy us? Those pesky terrorist states like Iran seeking nuclear weapons are no threat? We should ignore that threat and instead focus our prime resources on feeding the world? The world needs to learn to feed itself. I'm all for helping them learn to do so. Did you know that Malaria kills more Africans than AIDs? It's been around a heck of a lot longer too. I think I recall that our President just mentioned something about trying to get the G8 to address that crisis and offered a pledge of significant support from America to do so. John, You are on dangerous ground. You make statments of fact that are only opinion. "Giving terrorism the number one priority is the worst way to combat terrorism." WTF??? Let me guess, you imagine that our goverment's only approach to fighting terrorism is to use military force? You'd be grossly wrong in such an assumption. As our President has stated time and time again, the best way to combat terrorism is to help spread democracy and freedom. We be doing that. A nuke detonated in LA harbor or NYC would indeed derail the greatest country on Earth. Keep your eyes and ears closed though, wouldn't want to scare you. You know what, your argument is very similar to those of pacifists prior to WWII. They were wrong then and you are wrong now. You are also wrong about the views of most Americans. That is not to say that we haven't made mistakes in the war against islamic terrorists. I'm sure that we have, just like we have made mistakes in all the wars this great nation has ever fought. A mistake in the prosecution of a war does not render the war improper, just the mistake. I suspect that if you were presented the cold hard facts concerning what we now know about our enemy and what terrorist plots have foiled you would change your tune. Treating muslim terrorists according to a philosophy of law enforcement is what got us into this mess. Al qaeda formally declared war upon America, attacked us repeatedly and we largely ignored them, until 09/11/01. We won't make that mistake again. You shouldn't either. | ||
| Jlnance |
Terrorism only works because the terrorists can create terror. The most effective way to combat terrorism is to deny them that ability. Our friends in the UK are doing an excellent job of this. They are not scared of the terrorists, they are determined to get back to their normal lives. They will not ignore terrorism, but they will not let it control their lives. We in the US have not done as well. As an example, we let the 9/11 terrorists destroy our airline industry. To do this they did not have to blow up a single plane. They just had to make us afraid. Frankly, this is shameful. It doesn't have to be like this. As another example, we loose over 40,000 Americans in car crashes each year. Thats like having a 9/11 every month. We, as a nation, spend a LOT of time, effort, and money trying to reduce that number. But we are not afraid to get in our cars every day. | ||
| Bomber |
getting close to a political thread here, gents -- I believe we all agree that we cry for our brothers and sisters in England, that we want to make it better, and we want to keep it from happening again. to quote the Bard, "next" | ||
| Brucelee |
"We in the US have not done as well. As an example, we let the 9/11 terrorists destroy our airline industry. To do this they did not have to blow up a single plane. They just had to make us afraid. Frankly, this is shameful. " I think you need to explain this one a bit better. I for one am not shamed by our behavior post 911. | ||
| Jlnance |
I think you need to explain this one a bit better. Well, for another example look at London. Tony Blair was encouraging people to get back to work and get on with their normal lives. At the same time the US Air Force was telling its people to stay out of London. There are British people who are pissed off by this, and I have a feeling a lot of Americans don't even understand why. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
As a Brit now in my 40's I still have vivid memories of the Irish Bombing campaigns, (partly funded by misguided americans I have to say) I also was living in France when the last lot of bombings took place on the Parisian Metro system. Sadly this is something we have known for many years in most European countries, but we refuse to back down to cowards, if we refuse to be "terrorized" the terrorists can't win. On this occasion, the bombers have proved to be our own countrymen, albeit from a racial minority, & evidently externally motivated. The UK is not a repressive regime, quite the reverse, & has even provided sanctuary to muslims fleeing from persecution in their own countries, so I fail to see what they hope to gain. I thank all our American friends for their messages of support, & as the saying go's, "Let's all be careful out there!" | ||
| Brucelee |
Your answer below does not relate to the original post you made nor to my query on how you came up with your conclusion about Americans tanking the airline industry. Frankly, those guys have been tanking themselves for years, they don't need anyone's help! Frankly, given the London bombings, I see any advice to stay out of London in the short run to be prudent. The same could have been said for NYC right after 911. What do you recommend, we all fly to London and get on a subway car? "Well, for another example look at London. Tony Blair was encouraging people to get back to work and get on with their normal lives. At the same time the US Air Force was telling its people to stay out of London. There are British people who are pissed off by this, and I have a feeling a lot of Americans don't even understand why. | ||
| Ingemar |
Thanks guys. My brother lives in England and I have relatives in London. I am encouraged to see the strength the Londoners have shown during these trials. I realize its only a matter of time until it hits the Netherlands and I pray I will have the same strength then. | ||
| Bomber |
Bruce -- let's keep this a place where our friends, both present and future, can come to get some words of encouragement -- lots of other places where the politics of the situation cna be discussed, yes? thanks, sir ;-} | ||
| Jon |
"We in the US have not done as well. As an example, we let the 9/11 terrorists destroy our airline industry. To do this they did not have to blow up a single plane. They just had to make us afraid. Frankly, this is shameful. " Incorrect statement. The governement made it a hassle to fly for one, but it took a while for everybody to get with the new program and over the shock of what happened. Changes had to be made and new attitudes formed. Your remark that "...this is shameful" is plain ignorant. Nothing wrong with how Americans responded. | ||
| CJXB |
let's keep this a place where our friends, both present and future, can come to get some words of encouragement My sentiments too !! Folks clicking on this thread due to the title aren't looking for political posts and debate !! CJ  | ||
| Brucelee |
I have nothing but respect and support for the Brits and their tragedy. I also respect how the US handled 911. I think my posts are clear on that. If you want to caution someone, look elsewhere please. | ||
| CJXB |
lots of other places where the politics of the situation cna be discussed, yes I don't think anyone cautioned you about anything you posted, just ask that you post it in the appropriate thread !? This is not the how the US handled 911 thread !! Thanks, CJ | ||
| Brucelee |
I was responding to Jifinace. Check out his two posts, wherein he was criticising the US response to both 911 and the London bombing. That is what I was referring to. This is not politics, I am so with the Brits on this. They have all the support in the world from me. | ||
| Jon |
Alright then back to the Brits. Warm beer anyone??  | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
I'd just like to say that history will prove that no matter how much force is used against the British people, they will not and cannot defeat us. The British people just get stronger everytime anyone tries to destroy our democracy. London is now a very cosmopilitan society will all creeds and colours as citizens. But the city and its population are as tough and resilient as ever. It is a tragedy too that the recent acts appear to have been made by mostly citizens of Asian, Muslim extraction. Whilst I am neither Muslim nor ethnically Asian I have many friends and associates who are both Muslim and Asian. They are without exception, fine hardworking, honest, upstanding folk. It is a tragedy for their community too that senseless extremism can grow amongst them. I know the Asian/Muslim communities are outraged by what happened. The "Anglo/Saxon" democracies and our allies must redouble our efforts to spread democracy and wealth creation through the world. For this is the only way that terrorists will be defeated longer term. The British security forces in particular have proved in conflicts the world over, that "hearts and minds" are more powerful than guns and explosives. Together we can only win. Apart, well......... we lose. Steve. | ||
| Trojan |
Bloody Hell Steve, You've been talking to Tony Blair again haven't you  | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
Well said shake. It angered me to see the backlash, here in the states, against Muslims after 9/11. I too was filled with hate and rage, but knew it was not all Muslims I was mad at... If you have a mosque in your neighborhood, go meet the people that frequent it. You'll probably be pleasantly surprised. As shake said, together we win; and that equation includes Muslims... | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
Oh yea... A little fact for all the Muslim haters out there. Some statistics I pulled from a US News Special Report. In the United States: Muslims already outnumber protestants. By 2050, if the rate of converting continues, Muslims will make up the majority religion in the US. Think about that... |
