| Author | Message | ||
     Steveshakeshaft |
Thanks Blake. I feel your pain. | ||
| Hotrodsportster |
Blake: Thanks for the input. Will get one the next time we get a check from the sponsor. Tom (Message edited by Hotrodsportster on June 10, 2005) | ||
| Road_thing |
Thanks, Blake!! Reep lost me after "glitch"... rt | ||
| Telewoodski |
Man I'm glad your back, I can sit at my desk for longer periods of time now that I have BWB. Yesterday was murder without it. Take BWB and coffee away and I'd be looking for another job. | ||
| M1combat |
"Take BWB and coffee away and I'd be looking for another job." BINGO! | ||
| Peter |
Jim, You've got your bike up for sale? Man, I can't believe that hasn't sold yet. If I had the money, you'd have already lost it.  (click the pic for the ebay listing....) Pete2 Dakar | ||
| Firemanjim |
So ban their ability to bid.You can keep out anyone you want.Or make them get pre-approved. | ||
| Peter |
I gotta ask, how do you know? Pete2 Dakar | ||
| Brianh |
Interesting test in this month's Performance Bikes, testing a whole slew of them on their new test track, which seems pretty awesome containing not only all kinds of tight turns as well as fast sweepers, but a 2 mile straight as well. Results? Buell XB12R: Dead last at 3 min 28 s Triumph Daytona 650: 3 min 16 s Yamaha FZS1000 Fazer: 3 min 14 s Suzuki GSX-R600K5: 3 min 14 s Yamaha YZF-R6: 3 min 12 s Suzuki Hayabugly: 3 min 11 s Suzuki GSX-R750K4: 3 min 10 s Honda Fireblade: 3 min 9 s Ducati 999: 3 min 8 s Kawasaki ZX-6R: 3 min 7 s Yamaha R1: 3 min 4 s Kawasaki ZX-12R: 3 min 3 s Suzuki GSX-R1000K5 3 min 1 s The ZX-10R wasn't tested for some reason. Incidentally, these were the comments on the 12R: It's important to remember that the PB test track isn't a race track. It's a purpose built testing facility that concentrates more on how bikes deal with a number of road-specific problems than how they would finish in a WSB race. And that's why the second-fastest bike of 2005 is Kawasaki's venerable ZX-12R. Yes, it's big and, yes, it's heavy, but it's also extremely quick, stable, and reassuring - qualities that make it a much better road bike than a race bike. Gus was impressed straight away. "It's a big bike when you first sit on it, and you've got no idea how quickly it might go or how hard you can push it until you try. Turning in on the brakes is a big no-no, but the suspension's really taut and controlled and the brakes are powerful enough to get a lot of the stopping done before you turn. Slow in, fast out works wonders. The Kawasaki's engine isn't just powerful like the Busa, it's crisper and dishes out its power really predictably." "It's really quite capable," agrees Bruce. "I'm climbing all over it, like a monkey on an elephant. But, with a bit of bravery, the ZX-12R can hang onto nearly every bike here. It's surprising, but it's in its element here on the test rack." But it's not only quick down the straight, it even goes through the Vulcans split-time quicker than the R1. Let me repeat that - the ZX-12R is quicker through the twistiest section of track than all bar the Ducati 999, ZX-6R, and GSX-R1000. "It's got really predictable throttle control," explains Bruce. "Where lighter bikes feel skittish, the heavier ZX-12R can get on the power earlier and harder." "The suspension's good," says Gus. "But you can feel the forks twisting on the brakes, and the chassis can weave a bit on the faster stuff. But it's a testament to its design that a big comfy tourer can be hustled this hard!" Care to discuss? Not trying to be a jerk. But this board hasn't seen a new post in nearly 24 hrs and you guys seem to post more when I throw a bone out there. So, where'd that Buell come in again? | ||
| Bigj |
What month is the issue? June? | ||
| Josh_ |
>But it's a testament to its design that a big comfy tourer can be hustled this hard! I was going to bring this up on a quick board topic, but what the heck. let me state my possible conclusions first: 1) I can't "feel" suspension 2) I prefer heavy bikes 3) Most people most of the time can't ride anywhere near a bikes capabilities. (couple data points, I'm 5'9" 165lbs and left the S3 suspension settings stock. FJR forks are at stock settings, rear shock is a Wilbers. The S3 ran Dunlop 205s and Z4, FJR has awesome Z6s) I sat in several Buell seminars and I've ridden one or two myself. I've studied the mass-centralization and unsprung-weight arguments and can quote ad-nauseum when needed. I had a great time with my S3 on Road America in 00 and 99, passing Ducs in the corners (brake later and harder, better corner speed, better roll-on power) and attributed the apparantly superior cornering to the Buell's "features" ... Until I ran my FJR at RA. Big, heavy bike. Big heavy mufflers hung out the back. Conventional forks with heavy dual-disc brakes and a thick fork brace (aftermarket). And I'll be dammed if it didn't run just great. Hard enough on the brakes into 12 (and 5 and uh 3 and the bend) that the back-end was getting squirley yet the heavy conventional front end stuck like glue and never chattered or hopped once. And yeah I was passing R1s, RC51s and any 600cc bike that got in the way. Ok, so the bend was an adventure in weight distribution and I was glad there was only one turn like that, but it still handled it well. Canada Corner (turn12) is at the end of one of the 3rd straight-away. It's got a couple of seams and many patches built up over time. Great real-world corner. FJR just ran right through it with aplomb even when I was still braking while leaned into the corner (bad habit, I know). I understand the theoretical advantages of the Buell, but in the real world does it actually matter? S3: better clearance, lighter, better sound, fewer parts to replace if it goes down, much much cooler to run, better stock seat, smoother power delivery and less vibration FJR: better brakes, better power I'm not sure which has better suspension, I wish I'd had an S3 to compare it to. (Message edited by josh_ on June 11, 2005) | ||
| Reepicheep |
I don't know how much anything with a 2 mile straight is going to mirror the real world when litrebikes are included. Unless there is a cop at the 1.2 mile marker handing out tickets for going over 65mph, deer wandering back and forth from time to time, and a representitive of my insurance company observing and adjusting rates based on what he sees. Actually, what is interesting from the above is not where the Buell finished, but rather where the ZX-6R ended up. Very high for a smaller displacement bike. The rest of that chart more or less reads the same as if you lined up all the dyno charts for the bikes and ordered them that way. Yaaaawwwnnn... | ||
| Rocketman |
Kawasaki ZX12 R a great motorcycle......................was all they wrote. What I like most about bikes like the ZX12 is some people will rave about them, which makes me feel so good that I'm not one of them. Can you imagine being compared to people like that? Rocket | ||
| Brianh |
How about F4i's then?     Yes, that's a pass on the outside. And yes, this guy was going pretty good considering his equipment. And yes, that's Barber Motorsports Park last Sunday. (Message edited by brianh on June 11, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
Ummm, that guy on the Buell isn't even hanging off... | ||
| Ingemar |
The guy on the buell looks like he's touring ... | ||
| Chainsaw |
Just found this amusing updated disclaimer on Buell.com concerning race-kit components... "Race Application Only CAUTION: Engine-related Performance Parts are intended for the experienced rider only. Buell® motorcycles modified with some performance engine parts must not be used on public roads and in some cases may be restricted to closed course competition. Throughout this online catalog all engine related performance parts identified with a checkered flag are intended for racing applications only and are not legal for sale or use in California on pollution-controlled motor vehicles. Alterations of emission related components constitutes tampering under USEPA guidelines and can lead to substantial fines and penalties. In other words: YOU ARE A GROWN UP. ACT LIKE ONE. " That's verbatim boys and girls!  | ||
| Paco |
98 S-1 buell trq. spec on steering head bolt?? Anyone got it. I can't download off listed files & I loaned out my manual. Thanks. PACO | ||
| Awprior |
From the 95/96 S2 manual and the 2000 M2 service manual: 'tighten fork stem bolt until the bearings have to free-play'. Somewhat vague, but that's what both of them say. Prior | ||
| Jackbequick |
Awprior - Those are tapered roller bearings, 'tighten fork stem bolt until the bearings have to free-play' should read "no freeplay" instead of "to freeplay". My 2000 M2 service manual has been corrected and reads that way. You basically want to seat the bearings until just in contact with the races. Paragraph 1.16 describes the procedure for finishing the job. That is to set the preload on the bearings (my words, not Buell's) with the front wheel off the ground and using a scale. I would expect that would require the fork stem bolt to be tightened a little more, thereby increasing the preload on the bearings and the turning drag. Jack | ||
| Josh_ |
Well if no one wants to comment on my questioning of the "street importance" of Buell's main features can I at least get some sympathy on my boots? $300 Sidi's that would not have been roughed up in one day had I been thinking at all on foot positioning.  | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
hey, guess who won their second NHRA event today in only nine tries? congrats Chip Ellis and the G-Squared S&S Buell !!!  photo copyright National Hot Rod Association and RacersEdgePhotography.com from NHRA.com: "Sending the best "Get Well" message possible to his injured crew chief, Ken Johnson, Ellis took home the hardware by thrashing a dead-late Scali in the Pro Stock Motorcycle final. This one was over at the line when Ellis' mediocre .063-second light was completely overshadowed by Scali's .242. Just for good measure, Ellis ran through the lights with a 7.203 at 180.79 to Scali's 7.343 at 179.30 mph. "Although this was just his ninth race on the NHRA circuit, Ellis was rock solid in guiding his G-Squared S&S Buell V-Twin past Matt Guidera, Columbus winner Ryan Schnitz, and three-time world champ Angelle Sampey."  (Message edited by jerry_haughton on June 12, 2005) | ||
| Awprior |
Jack, Thanks for the correction. I mis-typed that. My brain has been in left field most of the day... Chip Ellis- Awesome. Glad to see they are doing well this year. Alex | ||
| Bomber |
Josh -- you're dead nuts accruate when you say the vast majority of riders come no where near to being able to use the performance of most production bikes made today -- so, do Buells design specs have an application in the real world -- my honest answer (for me) is I dunno -- what I DO know is that it pegs my grinometer every time I ride it -- and that is MY ultimate measure of anything/anyone, bike, guitar, stereo, wrench, friend -- | ||
| Daves |
God, I wish we didn't live half a country apart Cecil! I'll be at Autobahn doing a track day a week from Weds, wanna come play?  I'll see if I can get someone to take a picture of me passing some Hondas. Here's how you're supposed to lean a Buell, little different than the guy you were passing?  | ||
| Rippin |
Dave, Are you part of that club? I've been checking out their site. I think I might try it. Ryan | ||
| Daves |
No, I'm pimping track days for Private Track Time this year. We will be at Autobahn a week from Thursday, not Weds like stated above. Call me tomorrow and I can get you all signed up! You'll love it!!!! | ||
| Daves |
Cecil, I see you were in the intermediate group. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah I thought a guy as fast as you would be in the expert group. You know, if you rode in the novice group you could be the fastest guy on the track. At the Blackhawk track day Dyna and I were the only ones in the expert group with street legal bikes, we both did ok, probably in top 10 fastest(like 8th and 9th?). I only passed Dyna twice, once when he went down right in front of me and once in turn 5. I also rode in the intermediate group a few sessions, one on my Mille R(didn't like it on the track) and a couple on the Buell. Good pictures though. Looks like a great track. I'd love to ride it someday. | ||
| Rick_a |
Passing someone on a cool down lap is nothing to brag about! | ||
| Daves |
It could have been the warmup lap? |
