| Author | Message | ||
     Race_pirate |
Heres a few pics of the Chain Conversion available through Adrenalin Moto - Trojan Horse products:    | ||
| Mou5e |
damn it looks clean | ||
| Fullpower |
oooh, aaahhhhhh. very nice. what is the tooth count? that rear sprocket looks HUGE. i am running 21:50, and thinking of a 52 tooth for next time. | ||
| Race_pirate |
The kit comes with a 21 front sprocket and 47,48,49 & 50 tooth rears. Theres a 48 on the rear now. I set it up for the FUSA course at Pocono, This Thursday.... 21/50 comes out to an overall ratio of 2.385-1 which is close to stock 30/72(stock belt) is overall 2.40-1 | ||
| Lonexb |
looking nice!  | ||
| Bluebuellxb9r |
How much did it wind up costing you ? Ive been eyeing it for a while and am not sure how much fussing IM willing to take froim the Mrs. about it  | ||
| Yohinan |
Ummm, last I knew Race Pirate got it free of charge. Unless something changed. John | ||
| Bluebuellxb9r |
Cool - bit how about us unfortunate saps ?  - Guess Ill be checking with Trojan - (Message edited by bluebuellxb9r on May 23, 2005) | ||
| Brupska |
That looks a lot cleaner then the other chain conversions out. Looks like you use the stock swing arm so that doesn't change the wheelbase. Cool. How many green backs will that cost after the conversion from Euros? | ||
| Yohinan |
More than most are willing to pay. Sit down when you see the price after the conversion to our U.S. Smackers. John | ||
| Yohinan |
Ok ready for the price in US? It's roughly 1100.00 for the conversion. Unless my math is off. I honestly think it would be cheaper to come up with your own kit, considerably cheaper and you could spend the saved money on something else. You will have to do your homework though. Of course this is my opinion only. John | ||
| Rek |
Baker makes one for around $300. I think. Rob | ||
| Race_pirate |
Bottomline is if you are planning on racing final gear ratios can effect a good drive out of a corner & top end speed. The Chain Conversion from Trojan Horse Products does not require any modification to the bike/swingarm which you can retain the factory geometry(wheelbase) and the rigidity of the swingarm. Second is the price, the other chain conversion requires use of a modified swing arm and various bits. The kit from Trojan Horse products is less then half the cost. The machine work is top notch and the front sprocket is machined so you dont need a spacer. Overall if you want to add a mod to your street bike to make it stand out or you plan on racing at different tracks, you cant beat this set up. | ||
| Trojan |
Remember if you order from the US then you don't have to pay the UK tax either, which is 17.5%. The cost to the US would therefore be approximately US$930 at todays rates plus shipping. If you have a race licence there is another 10% discount  If a group of you wanted to get an order together, maybe through Race-pilot, we could also lessen the carriage charge and work in some discount. The other advantage with this setup is that you convert straight back to a belt if you wish without any major work, plus of course the tensioner pulley is adjustable (Message edited by trojan on May 24, 2005) | ||
| Yohinan |
I still have to pipe up here. Again this is my opinion only. If you have a bit better than the average mechanical skill and research skill and know of a competent machine/fabrication shop you should still be able to come up with a kit exactly as this which will require no modifications to your bike at all, just as this conversion kit. You will just have the new front and rear sprockets, chain, chain tensioner/adjustment device/guide. Again it would cost you considerably less! The only reason I am petitioning this is because I am of the type who would do this if I got into racing rather than spending this kind of money for Trojan's kit. However keep this in mind. If you don't have the time to invest to create something like this or the skill then by all means this is for you. One thing I am sure of is that this is definitely a quality kit and I wont talk down the product. Examine the pictures closely as they speak for themselves about the product quality. One thing I do wonder is if someone was producing a kit such as this in the U.S. what it would cost? 500-600 tops I would guess but that is just me talking again. John | ||
| Trojan |
Unfortunately the price isn't something that we can do anything about really, as it is due more to the weak dollar than the product itself  | ||
| Yohinan |
Thats what I call hitting the nail on the head. If it weren't for that there would be no issues. That is why I recommended the solution I did with coming up with a kit by yourself. John | ||
| Bluebuellxb9r |
If a group of you wanted to get an order together, maybe through Race-pilot, we could also lessen the carriage charge and work in some discount. Did I hear group buy ? Depending on price, I could be in . | ||
| Ronlv |
i got all the parts(chain, idler wheel, rear sprocket, front sprocket) to do my own for 200 bucks i just have to make my idler adjustable(its not to difficult others have done it) i tried to get trojan to sell me the adjustable idler and they wouldnt, they said i had to buy the whole kit i said no way now i will shop somewhere else later, ron | ||
| Fuzznutz |
Looks nice, but I just don't see anything there that should cost $930!! | ||
| Tomzweifel |
Or, maybe Trojan can subcontract the machining work to a mfr in the States... in fact, he might be able to make them here in the States in import them to the UK cheaper than he can make them in the UK! | ||
| Fullpower |
not rocket science guys. just like putting together a bicycle for your kid on christmas eve.  | ||
| Fullpower |
better pic here:  | ||
| Fullpower |
less than 300 dollars US in this setup. running it for 5000 miles ( 1260 miles of that was in 29 hours) chain drive is actually pretty commonin the industrial power transmission field, so parts are readily available. also some motorcycle manufacturers use chain drive. all my honda, ducati, and harley motorcycles use chain drive.i think even suzuki uses them on there 200 mile per hour street bikes. like i said before, it is not exactly rocket science.  | ||
| Yohinan |
Fullpower, thanks for chiming in here. I was starting to think I was a lone sheep in my posts. Here you have first hand knowledge from someone that has done this and as I said for considerably cheaper than the 1000.00 price tag. John | ||
| Tomzweifel |
Trojan's idler bracket is much nicer than yours, though. Not a dig, but there is some expense there. I don't see that much more expense, but since nobody else is saying it, Trojan, you made a really nice setup. | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Everyone agree that Trojan's set-up is really nice, but nice dosen't justify price for most of us, if I can to a chain I would do the same as fullpower. Fullpower what rear and front sprockets did you use that match the bolt pattern? | ||
| Fullpower |
KV | ||
| Trojan |
Fullpowers system is what we started out with originally. It worked pretty well too. The only problems that you may come across with this are: 1. The tensioner used to gradually loosen itself off regardless of how tight it was done up. To rectify this we had to make spacers to insert into the slot in the tensioner above the mounting bolt (see pic). 2. We found some small stress cracks in one of our tensioners at end of the enlarged slot that we thought were caused by vibration.  This is why we ended up going down the route we followed with our adjustable tensioner. Part of the cost issue is down to the fact that this has taken 2 years to fully develop into a straight bolt on reliable kit. | ||
| Fogal |
$930 thats like 5 belts | ||
| Spatten1 |
It is definitely the exchange rate killing us, but it has kept our economy out of the toilet, so whatareyagonnado? | ||
| Matty |
Sorry you feel that way Ron. Keep us up to date if you get yours together. The Trojan kit is absolutely amazing. Yes it's expensive, yes it's worth it. I believe that peace of mind justifies the cost. The last thing you want to think about at 130mph with your knee on the deck, is whether or not your driveline is going to hold up. We've fitted the kit to one of our XB race bikes and are looking forward to years of dependable service - after all, Matt's already done the hard work of developing and testing the product. Thank you Matt! | ||
| Buellman39 |
"yes it's worth it" How so? seems to me the belt issues have been resolved. Bottom line, if your not racing you don't need to convert to a chain. Period.. | ||
| Matty |
I don't recall ever saying you "need" to convert to chain. I said that the kit is a great way to do it. And yes we're racing. And no, you don't want to be worried about an unknown, untested, homebrewed chain and tensioner setup on a bike that you are trying to wring for all its worth. The only issue we had with the stock setup was the lack of gearing options. Well, that and the rocks you pick up when you go off track  | ||
| Chainsaw |
...i tried to get trojan to sell me the adjustable idler and they wouldnt, they said i had to buy the whole kit From Trojan's web site: ...The chain conversion kit includes 4 rear sprockets (50-49-48-47 teeth), a chain idler (to stop the chain hitting the top of the swingarm), an adjustable chain tensioner and a 21 tooth front sprocket (no spacers needed). The chain is not included, although we can supply if required. A 520 chain with 120 links and a master link should be used (4 links need to be removed). All parts are available seperately. | ||
| Trojan |
Let me just clarify that last part. We will of course supply replacement parts to people who have bought the kit from us. We are not though going to supply individual components of an integrated and developed kit. There are a number of reasons for this, including the need to at least attempt to recoup some development time and cost as well as trying to minimise copying of individual components. | ||
| Chainsaw |
Thanks for the clarification. It is a beautiful kit! | ||
| Ronlv |
trojan this statement is b.s. "There are a number of reasons for this, including the need to at least attempt to recoup some development time and cost as well as trying to minimise copying of individual components." real reason MAINLY $$$$$$ this makes no sense if someone wanted to copy they can buy the whole kit and copy, or copy off pictures there is absolutely no reason why you cant sell parts only, every other company in the world does o yeh you do sell parts only to people who have bought $complete kits$ if you were a tire shop i would drive by on a flat before buying a tire from you as long as you maintain that kind of attitude i will take my money elswhere it is a very nice looking kit though, that is why i wanted to buy a couple components from it later, ron | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
If you overlook the fact of the exchange rate, and just look straight at the figures, the price falls directly inline. That is roughly what you could expect a local company here in the US to charge for the completed kit. I don't see alot of the Euro crew complaining about what they have to pay to get US production items only over there. They just buy them. Matt/Trojan has stepped up and offered a helpful alternative. I for one don't expect them to take a hit for breaking up a kit when they have a certain number of "extras" ordered for their initial run to cover damaged items. It breaks down to this, if you want it for the racetrack and want something that has been track tested and proved you will pay what it costs, if you just want something for the street because you live in a locale that is murder on belts like Fullpower is, then you get creative and build your own. I think what we need to do is see if some company here will do as has been suggested and work out a deal with Matt/Trojan to allow them to be manufacturered here for the US market only. That way it doesn't interfere with the market they have in Europe and we don't get killed with the exchange rate, its not like Matt/Trojan is making any EXTRA money on the deal when he sells to one of us. |
