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Firewhirl
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 06:42 am: | 
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"The stock pegs are cast, are brittle, and have been known to snap off."
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Gusmyster
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 08:15 am: |
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Just a thought here, could it be the angle of the pressure on them that cause them to break? Has anyone broke them by pushing down on them, like they're intended to be used? It looks to me that is where the strength is. Being over 250# this is a somewhat important issue for me!
g u s |
Pcmodeler
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 08:34 am: |
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Could be a fluke. My bike had been dumped on both sides and while all 4 pegs were scraped up to hell, none of them were broken. I replaced the rear ones simply for cosmetic reasons but replaced the front with the dropped style. If you need that extra inch of leg stretch, they are the only option available. |
Buelluk
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 08:39 am: |
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I'm with Hanses, on this, I thought the heat process of the powder coating may have made them brittle.
I am 220 and although i don't do any stunting, I haven't broken any yet. |
Lazyme21
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:09 am: |
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If anything the powder coating should make them a little stronger. |
Yohinan
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:16 am: |
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Ok now opinions on whose are better. Do we like the SATO's or the Woodcrafts better and why? If they are of equal quality and offer the same adjustability/benefits and nothing else is better on the SATO's then I am guessing it is better to go with the Woodcraft's because of price. What does everyone else think. Anyone that has run both and can comment on this? Thanks in advance John |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:30 am: |
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I hope Buell does something about this before someone gets killed.
I don't do standup wheelies (well, not on my streetbike, anyway), but it isn't necessarily going to be in that scenario that someone will die.
Go on a 300+ mile ride. Somewhere near the end, you will want to stand up on the pegs and give your butt a break. Or even worse, if the reason you're standing is to unscrunch your underwear out of your butt crack, you're gonna be standing with one hand briefly off the bar. If a peg breaks while you are standing on them, you're gonna need the reflexes of a cat to keep from going down.
I've been told of at least 7 different cases of pegs breaking without what I would call undue load. I dunno, maybe I've heard of all of them. But I bet if I've heard of 7 cases, there's probably hundreds.
I think they are under designed for their intended purpose. Why would one want breakaway pegs? My billet pegs on my S3 is what kept a lot more expensive parts from being ground away in my Mt evans slide. Pegs are easy to replace, body work and frame stuff is not.
I tell every XB rider I talk to to beware this issue, and that if you ever stand up on the stock pegs, to keep the feet as inboard as possible. I've mentioned it to Buell, not sure if they're looking into it. I sure would be if I were them.
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Spatten1
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:40 am: |
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Even if the pegs are designed to take sufficient load in the vertical axis, normal wear and tear will eventually result in some blow to them in the horizontal axis. If they are weakened when pushing them around the garage, odds are that they are more likely to let go when standing on the pegs later.
At 6ft., I stand up all the time to stretch my 37 year old legs. I am frustrated now because I don't understand why I should have to pay to upgrade such a basic safety component. |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 09:46 am: |
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The Sato's are more expensive, but they are more adjustable and better built. The peg mounting plates are actually two plates that move relative to each other, so there are a bunch of different places you can locate your pegs. And not just the plates, either. There are alternative mounting locations for the toe pegs and shift levers. So you can really get the controls right where you want them, both forward and down, or back and up, from stock FIREBOLT position. Also, the levers are bearing pivots, not bushings. There is ZERO slop in them. They feel marvelous. Quality usually isn't cheap.
Al
(Message edited by al_lighton on April 28, 2005) |
99buellx1
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 10:34 am: |
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Stock pegs, no problems:
(not me, photo is of Ruffryder) |
Buellgirlie
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:58 am: |
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mine also broke at a 0mph laydown - the left one. did a quick fix by moving the pass peg up to rider. then replaced both rider pegs with the buell traction pegs, and removed the pass pegs/assembly. havent had any trouble with the traction pegs, but then again, i havent dropped it again either  |
Buellisti
| | Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 11:47 pm: |
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At less than $13, they are down right durable. I broke the left once and the right twice. Once from a sidestand that passed through the paving while parked at a restaurant, once after being butt whacked by some --- trying to occupy my parking spot, and once from rider error. We are talking about almost $200 dollars if it had been my former Suzuki. A guy at worked dumped his R1 in a parking lot, and paid $70 to replace his front left peg.
The weight reduction strategies for sport bikes of all the major manufacturers has brought about parts being just strong enough for the intended purpose. Parts just don't hold up well to the slightest abuse. |
Al_lighton
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 01:29 am: |
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IMHO, There are a few parts that should not be lightened to that degree. Foot pegs are one of them.
Al |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 01:47 am: |
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I've put my weight on the stock pegs with no problems. (290 lbs here, I'm a big boy.)
Just make certain your foots all the way on the peg and no on the edge. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 07:59 am: |
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Al, how many of those cases you know about were force down on the peg from a reasonably positioned rider (versus tipover, or the thing getting whacked from behind by another object)? |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 08:15 am: |
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From what I've heard, Yamaha screwed up with the pegs on the R1 and people have been hurt due to breakage. I have not heard about this as a common issue due to lightening (no pun intended) for other makes and models, and don't believe it is common for other sportbikes. |
Dilysi73
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 09:28 am: |
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WELL, I got to tell ya. Yall have scared the He11 out of me with this thread.  I do at least 2-3 wheelies a day on my 9s  (I mean its so easy on this bike why not?) I just ordered a set of the lsl scalloped bottom pegs from American Sports Bike. Any one useing these? What do you think? I know AL is a sponsor and wouldn't sell junk but how do the feel?
Aaron
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Outrider
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 04:32 pm: |
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Wonder what the "Country of Origin" is for the pegs. Sure would be the pits if it was the USofA, much less Wisconsin. |
Daves
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 05:21 pm: |
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I stand up on my pegs often and have been doing so for 2 years now on 2 different XBs. No broken pegs here.
But of course, you all know that I never wheelie so that must be it.
Has anyone had a peg fail while they were riding? One would think, that with all the XBs I have sold added to all the people I know that ride XBs that if it were a common problem I would know of at least one person that had tumbled off their bike at 80 MPH?
Was it right after the peg took a hit from something? |
Daveinm
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 06:38 pm: |
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The peg that broke was brand new. My brother had just replaced it after a fall that broke his first one. I can understand a peg breaking after a fall. The way the one I pictured broke was as my buddy was walking by. He just caught the peg with his shin. Seeing this first hand and having heard it from Al and a few others, it makes me nervous having stock pegs on my bike. I'm still looking for a good solution. |
Daveinm
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 06:39 pm: |
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And I don't think the powder coating weakened it. You only bake it to 400 degrees for 10 mins to clean it and then 10 minutes after coating it. |
Svttodd
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 07:14 pm: |
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My cousin had his stock wheels powdercoated on his 1998(I think) Mustang, and three out of the four had severe cracks in them after only a week or two of normal driving. The cracks were not just surface cracks, these wheels were surely unsafe. The powdercoater told him that it was somewhat common, and that it is 'always a possibility after powdercoating'. I was surprised to hear this since the powdercoating process does not really get too overly hot. Maybe they use some kind of pot metal that does not take well to heating? Who knows. |
Daveinm
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 08:02 pm: |
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That could be. I've heard that you shouldn't or can't powder coat pot metal. As far as the pegs go, I thought they were aluminum. |
Bluzm2
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 11:12 pm: |
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Remember too that to powder coat, they usually media blast first.
This can induce stress in certain areas that my be amplified by the heat of the powder coat ovens even though it's only 350 - 400 degrees. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 10:53 am: |
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350 to 400 degress is perfect to remove the temper from aluminum. 20 minutes at the temperature would make cast aluminum very brittle. |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 09:14 pm: |
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Kind of makes me think of removing the feelers off the pegs. Anyone who has grounded one knows that it puts enough force on the peg to stand the bike up a little. That's got to be more load than someones shin....
Seems like they need to forge the pegs, not cast them. Or they could CNC them. I know a lot of the Japanese firms use so called investment casting on MX frames, etc, and I hope that is the process used on Buell pegs, but I am suspicious of voids in the metal causing this problem.
As for the power coating, maybe that was contributing in one failure, but what about all the others?
Do I need to get my pegs xrayed now because I scraped one on a planter box and the other hit the ground in a corner???
Respectfully, it sure would be good to hear from "Anonymous" on this one.
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Thansesxb9rs
| | Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 10:14 pm: |
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I agree with Dave, I think the pegs are breaking because people are doing things that these bikes where not intended for, but on another note a friend of mine is a professional stunt rider, yes he does it on the XB and a sportster, he has only broken a stock peg when he droped his bike doing a high chair.
I have ran into the stock peg quite a few times in my garage, we have three XB's that are all 03's, I have ran into a peg so hard I brused my leg. I am not worried about my pegs, I stand up on them all the time on long rides and will continue to.
I would say that the powdercoating did have something to do with it, but if this is true then wouldn't the people powdercoating their rims be haveing problems?
So maybe your brother just got a bad peg.
(Message edited by thansesxb9rs on May 01, 2005) |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 04:40 pm: |
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All fine and dandy, but how do you know it's not already on its way to failure. Statistically it would seem that some unlucky ones may be doomed to a bad crash....
Just my thoughts. |
Midknyte
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:20 pm: |
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Do you want something to be wrong with the bikes or what? |
Charlieboy6649
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 03:20 am: |
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I'm 230 lbs and often stand on my pegs. This thread has managed to scare me but it's all paranoia...
I'll continue to trust my pegs. This is why. Our pegs are basically just like u-shaped stock (a little something I often work with) u-shaped stock is only strong one way. Try to apply a side load and it will collapse. That and mine aren't powder coated...
I don't think a feeler would transfer enough to break it either. More likely to snap the feeler at the screw post before you break a peg...
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