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Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 12:28 pm: | 
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not a rabid fan, but I do enjoy em -- take a big pass on the live from brazil disc (name likely not 100%) -- worst recording job I've heard since I stopped, er, ehem, worst recording job I've heard in a long time . . . .. .
too bad, too, as it sounds like everyone was enjoying themselves . . . . .
btw, disc free to anyone that wants it to complete a collection or sumpin . . . .. |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 12:32 pm: |
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So ............
1: Moving Pictures (1981), mentioned 6 times,
2: 2112 (1976), mentioned 5 times,
3: Permanent Waves (1980), mentioned 4 times.
The top 3 on my list of albums to listen to.
Thanks everyone. I'll let you know what I think. Right now it's Deep Purple time .... |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 01:58 pm: |
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bomber - read the Rush in Rio liner notes if you get a chance. They did the best they could with what they had. The DVD alone is worth buying if only for the behind the scenes view of the band on tour. I think the DVD was even mixed better than the CD. |
Pcmodeler
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 02:33 pm: |
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<<<I think the DVD was even mixed better than the CD.>>>>
Sounds likie the same problem the last Metallica album suffers from. The sound (primarily the drums) is so bad that the album is almost unlistenable. The DVD included has much better audio.
Personally, I wish Rush would start working with some different folks (ie. engineers, guest artists, etc.). They need to breath some new life into the music. It worked for "Time Stand Still". Look at what it did for their solo work. They need to bring some of that same feeling into the group stuff. The recent ep of cover music was a step in that direction.
Also, I like a lot of the synth era music that they created. I believe there was a point where Alex was ready to walk because of (what he felt) was a dominating role of the keyboards in their music, at which point they almost entirely cut out the keyboards from their music. I'd really like to see a bit more keyboard brought back. At the same time, I'd like to see Alex do more layering of guitar parts. I know that a lot of what they do/write/record is done that way so they can pull it off live, but there are other bands with 1 guitar, 1 bass, etc. that can pull it off live (such as Dream Theater).
Don't get me wrong, Rush is still one of my favorite bands, but did you notice that most everyone that has responded has picked an older album as their favorite?
Koz5150, I haven't seen Dream Theater live but I did see Mike Portnoy give a drum clinic. He said one of the greatest moments in his life is when folks started comparing him to Neil Peart as Neil was a huge influence for him. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 02:48 pm: |
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Mr Lunch -- I'm sure your right about the DVD, for serious fans, and I did read the notes (they were certainly up against it, no doubt, and I'm sure it's the best they coulda done, given the cirusdancers)-- still, given what CAN be done (listen to any live Dead disc from the last 30 years, for example), and the stature of this band, I'm not sure I woulda released it in it's present state -- must be at least a little embarrassing to the guys |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:01 pm: |
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Pcmodeler - I'm not sure if Alex was ready to walk, but I do believe there were times when the band discussed bringing in a keyboard player.
The keyboards were phasing out by the Counterparts album, in a reaction to the music climate where people were recording more "organic" music, such as grunge/alternative. I enjoy the synthesized stuff too (grace under pressure, signals [despite the muddy sound], and hold your fire...)
Side Note: Oddly enough I do remember them marketing Grace Under Pressure as a return to guitar rock, after the atmospheric electronics of the previous 3 or 4 albums.
... and have always felt that Alex did some of his best guitar work on these since he was able to break free of the traditional Jimmy Page type bluesy solos that dominated the really early stuff. This also allowed him to shine on his rhythm guitar work.
I think the recent crop of albums Test For Echo, and Vapor Trails were still an evolution of that more organic sound explored originally in Counterparts. In fact I think they hardly used synths on Vapor Trails at all. I think they layered vocals to create a more textured effect and add some depth to the music.
In response to the fact that most people picked older albums as their favorites I say that I am glad that Rush has continued to evolve. If I want to hear 2112 I listen to that. I don't take Hold You Fire and compare it to Fly By Night. Rush may not have the hard rocking edge that they once had, but I'd hate to see them become a caricature of themselves.
I like AC/DC a lot, but has anybody noticed that all there albums sort of sound the same? |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:11 pm: |
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bomber - I've never listened critically to a live Dead recording, but from what I remember even the bootleg stuff was pretty well recorded.
Maybe it's their music that lends itself to better recording. The crowd is probably quieter at a Dead show, and there has got to be way less white noise given the type of music. However, if they are recording from the board I guess the crowd noise is somewhat negligible (I'm no sound engineer). I think the goal of Rush in Rio was to capture the sound as one would hear it from the audience. Maybe that was just a cop out. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:23 pm: |
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kunch -- I'll not hijack the thread ;-} (I trust the big moderator in the sky tallies up my points)
suffice it to say that they figured out how to amplify and record loud music in awful places (including outdoors) quite awhile ago -- their roadies and sounds guys wrote the book
their live recordings alwyas include the crowd, as the band cuonted the crowd as the last band member
I'll shut up, or I'll continue (and only thang will be able to sing along ;-} ) |
Djkaplan
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:46 pm: |
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I could never understand why they were so famous - I never cared for them. But enough people who's opinions I value just love them.
Still, I can't understand... |
Pcmodeler
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:51 pm: |
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Yes, live sound has gotten much better. I went and saw Kansas last night. It was at a small outdoor gig. I was really amazed at how full the music sounded. The engineer did a great job on the sound. All of the instruments were very well balanced.
I recall reading that Alex is/was very much into grunge music/etc. It played a big part in what he did on his solo album. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 03:53 pm: |
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djkaplan - A lot of people despise Rush too. Life is funny like that. Can't please everyone.
Bomber - Interestingly enough...Neil Peart writes about attending a Dead show in his book "Traveling Music". |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 04:12 pm: |
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Those guys, I don't care for thier sound, but the story they are telling in honking awesome. Love thier song writing don't care for the sound. Trees is the best |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 04:17 pm: |
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Well, at least I got my info. Thanks guys.
Continue the thread, I'm outta here ... |
U4euh
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 08:51 pm: |
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lunchbox-No i don't believe it slowed him down one bit for listening to band. He just knew what to expect next time they to town(or not to expect).
Listening to 2112 as I type now. All this talk made me pull out my cd book and start going through them again. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 09:39 pm: |
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The Dead? I remember when M. Jackson ( the one on trial ) did a concert tour & all the news was how huge it was, the most $$ ever! That same year The Grateful Dead did more than twice as much $, & a LOT more gigs.
Fave Rush ???? Presto, if I was pushed to answer, but nearly every album has at least 1 song that qualifies as Great.
Buellerthanyou, "A gleaming S1 Lightning" fits the beat better. That song was on my list of songs NOT to play on a bike after that time on my GS1100..... never mind. |
Racerboy
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 09:49 pm: |
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And you guys do know that Peart is a huge motorcycle fan...Their bus pulls a trailer with their cycles...So the bus goes from concert to concert and Peart and two others ride from one to the other when ever they can...Neil has put on some big s'miles...Too bad he's not a Bueller but, rather, a beemer rider...GS style...
Bob |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:45 am: |
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Right ... thought you might like an update.
I got Grace under Pressure, Hemispheres, Moving Pictures and Signals to listen to.
First I must really get used to the vocals. Lightly put, it's not my favorite style ...
Second, I must admit their music is much more musical than I thought. I really believed Rush was a 2nd rank hardrock band. It was the positive input here on the site btw that convinced me to listen to their work (I remember the 'best drummer' and 'best gitarist' threads brought up Rush members  ).
Grace under pressure, I don't like it (for now at least, that might change when I listen to it more often). It sounds cheap, commercial, typical symphonic rock, just plain boring. The first time I listened to it I made it all the way to number 5, 'The body electric'. Geez that song must be the worst thing they've made. It sucks big time. Anyway, the second time I started at number 6 but got distracted ...
Hemispheres is making its way into my "sit-down-and-listen" collection, which should say enough about how I feel about it.
Moving Pictures is my absolute favorite for now. Excellent compositions, musical, sounds like it comes from the heart. From beginning to end, first class album.
Signals is floating around, undecided as of yet. Better than Grace under pressure that's for sure. At least I'm still playing it ... |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 10:47 am: |
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So ... Rush in Rio is NOT a DVD to listen to if you want to get a good impression of the band on stage, correct?
Which DVD (if any) should I get then??? Or am I limited to live albums only? |
Mfell2112
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:00 am: |
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1. Permanant waves
2. Moving Pictures
3. Hemispheres
Rush did three nights at the Rosemont Horizon in 1980 for the Permanant waves tour. First they had one show then it sold out so they added another and that sold out so they added one more which sold out. I saw them twice that week.
Mike |
Pdxs3t
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 11:55 am: |
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The RUSH in Rio DVD is worth the 20 bucks. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 01:09 pm: |
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"I think I'm going bald." |
Pdxs3t
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |
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Now that is a rockin song! |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 03:13 pm: |
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The RUSH in Rio DVD is worth the 20 bucks.
No offense but that's not what I asked.
Blake, for a moment I thought it was because of my whining but I see your point. My resources are limited though. I see if I can find "Caress of Steel". |
Pdxs3t
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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Dude, chill out! No need to get testy!
Sorry I did not answer the way you expected an answer to be.
Everyone one has a opinion, the Rio DVD is a representation of what they are now. Some may like it some may not. Once again, it is worth the 20 bucks!
Currently, the Rio DVD is the only DVD that you can get for a live performance of RUSH. If you are looking for others, you will have to go with VHS (Exit Stage Left Tour and Grace Under Pressure tour) both are out of print though.
Other's for "Live Performance" audio would be All the Worlds a Stage, Exit Stage Left, A Show of Hands, Different Stages and Rio.
I like Different Stages because it has a bonus CD from a UK show back in 1978.
Was that better? Hope so 
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(Message edited by pdxs3t on April 23, 2005) |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 05:07 am: |
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Much better, thanks!
I didn't mean to be testy or anything, I guess I should have used a smiley to show that it was more of an encouragement than offensive critique.
Things just don't carry over the net the way they would in a face to face conversation.
I very much appreciate everyone's input.
Thanks again. |
Koz5150
| | Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 05:35 am: |
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If you really want to listen to Rush you should just buy Chronicles.
Dream Theater pulls off what they do live because of their bass player. I know Geddy Lee great, but he has nothing on Dream Theater. Before all the Rush fans go crazy, listen to Dream Theater's A Change of Seasons. Track 1 at 12:25 (the whole song is 23+ minutes long) I believe, is an awesome Guitar/Bass riff that made me sick to watch it live. The also have an incredible keyboard player. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 09:57 am: |
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Just bought the biographical book, "Contents Under Pressure". It is an overview of the making of each album and subsequent tour. It has some great quotes from the band members, and offers numerous anecdotes about life on the road, and the tribulations of studio recording. A great historical piece for the Rush fan. It is an easy read and it's got a billion photographs. I've almost devoured the book in a day. Highly recommended! |
Bluebuellxb9r
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 09:25 pm: |
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I saw where someone turned Jose onto Rush via A show of Hands - I wonder how many other people that has happened to ?  What a great disc !
Live - A show of Hands
Studio - Hmm, tough one - Hemispheres,Vapor Trails , - Not very many people will agree, but, I really liked Counterparts and Presto also. |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 10:04 pm: |
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Yeah, I was in college and a friend of mine let me borrow the CD.
I stopped listening to metallica/slayer for a long time after that because I had to catch up with all the old Rush CD's I had never heard before..... |
Ingemar
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 01:50 am: |
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I really dig the early 70's stuff (Rush, Fly by Night, Caress of Steel and 2112). After that it goes downhill IMO, with the exception of Hemispheres and Moving Pictures.
Their early albums is really my style. 70's rock music is what I listen to mostly.
But, the judge is still out on the newer albums like Presto and Vapor Trails. |
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