| Author | Message | ||
     Aussie_buell_riderz |
Blake, Oddly enough the devil tube and the FAST System look roughly the same, Different but similar. I guess both are rip of scams since only a venturi type system is the correct selection for the job? Anyway i am not interested in arguing about the product, Since you have never seen the design in real life, and have never tried the design you are really commenting on something that you have no first hand knowledge about. Attached are images of the hillbilly fast. and webber carbys remember them? Geez they never had venturis guess the guys at webber had no idea about intake systems either, Guess we all need a little help from the all knowing Blake. Just because it dosen't look like what your used too doesnt mean it wont work.   | ||
| Buell_boy_beau |
You guys rubbish something you have not tried. Put your money where your mouth is & try it out. If you go to the top of the thread, ABR did not start this thread nor try to sell 'em. Another member brought it up. ARB just tried something out & it worked. If you go into your garage, take all the airbox off so there is nothing but throttle body & take your bike for a spin & feel the difference (on a 9 anyhow). If you come back & say there is no gain... your not being honest. I took the airbox completely off & the bike responds 100% better. Oh, & scam????? Only scam is the GANG mentality being passed here instead of trying. This is someone sharing mods found to work. Check the treads out on ABR, cause not everyone boasting that cutting the velocity stack off works is scamming. what would be the point? | ||
| Norrisperformance |
You are incorrect, Aussie_buell_riderz, is also peel, which started the thread. Same IP, the whole thing was a total set up!!!!!!!!! | ||
| M1combat |
"This is someone sharing mods found to work. " And... It's only been found to work on "theoretical" Dyno's. Keep in mind that no one singled out anyone else as such. We ALL are very picky about parts. If the vendor would like to send a part to a trusted source and allow them to do some dyno's and give us the skinny, we'll accept the fact. However, when someone comes in and makes claims about something when THEY don't even have any real proof they will be called on it. It's a service to the current sponsors AND the current subscribers. Aside from all that... There's a little user agreement that was agreed to when everyone signed up. If they choose to not abide by that, they'll be treated accordingly. I'm all for new parts that work, but they need to actually work in the real world, not on a computer generated dyno... | ||
| Diablobrian |
I understand that screen doors work great on a submarine. I used auto cad and the drawings work perfectly. My 3-d modeling shows no flaws in the design.  | ||
| Aussie_buell_riderz |
very constructive | ||
| Diablobrian |
Dude, that was just another way of saying put it on a dyno. Show the real world numbers and we'll line up at your door. Money in hand, 'til then... | ||
| Blake |
Why did you delete all your posts Aussie_buell_riderz/Peel. And no, those velocity stacks shown by the Hillbilly site or the ones you depict above do not have a sharp edge nor a sharp angle discontinuity in their transition to the throat. Wanna see the difference? Look at your own picture...  Sharp edges are really, really bad. Rounded and flaired edges are good, like the ones on the Hillbilly FAST stack and other which are NOTHING like yours. See how the surface of the Hillbilly FAST stack at the edge is flaired out darn near perpendicular to the intake throat? See how it does not have a knife edge or a sharp angle in the throat? See, that allows the air to also enter from the sides much more efficiently since it doesn't find a sharp edge that instigates turbulence and drag; see how it allows air to travel unperturbed down into the throat of the intake over nice smooth surfaces, not one with a sharp angular discontinuity that will cause flow separation and more inefficiency? This really isn't fair. But you deserve it 100% on account of you are trying to peddle your wares here while masquerading as two separate contributors on this forum. Prove me wrong. Send one to an independent shop for a dyno test. I dare you. If your intake works as advertised without hurting performance at top end or elsewhere, I'll give you one free month of advertising and pay for the dyno testing. If I am right, and your stack fails to improve performance like you advertise and like you depict, you owe BadWeB $100 and get no advertising and gotta pay for the dyno testing yourself. I'd be willing to let Paul Rogers handle the testing. He's an Aussie Buell pilot and land speed racer with an XB. If he'll do it, there you go. Put up or shut up. (Message edited by blake on April 19, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
Maybe if he dimpled it like a golf ball? Just kidding... Sorry  . | ||
| Buell_boy_beau |
O.K, so if ABR has doubled up & taken two identities, silly move bro. Now to the nitty gritty....Who has taken their total airbox assembly off & taken the bike for a spin? Hmmmm!!!(9's need only reply) The bike performs & responds 100% better, eh! For sure. To ronlv, everyone that has noticed major benefits from removing the velocity stack have had at least the buell racekit or similar. Stock buells with a cut stack wont perform the same as a bike with fuel, air & exhaust mods. Mine does awsome wheelies but have yet to spin the rear wheel mid corner. To everyone else that has contributed to this thread......If you have a XB9....take the airbox assembly off & have a go. It's cheap!! If you have a racekit you'll feel the diference. If you don't have a 9....you've got nothing to worry about. To the dyno test, i have one of these things ordered now so i'll compare it to other dyno tests i've done. My XB9R has a TFI, race filter(which i'll change to a pod filter)& a straight through muffler i have developed. Last dyno run came in at 84rwhp on a dynojet dyno, which they seem to give higher results than other dynos. So after i fit this stack, i'll dyno it on the same dyno as i used before & we'll have a comparison. Later.... p.s, i'll post both dyno sheets up. | ||
| Ingemar |
That would be really cool. Thanks in advance. If it's not a secret, I would appreciate it if you give a little more info on that muffler you've welded together. | ||
| Martin |
I nearly missed it, but if I understand it right Alex at MTek suggested that the heads are the main obstruction to getting more air in. I also noticed that most HD heads are designed for a side-draft intake.A fuel-injection guru I was speaking to suggested that even a slight updraft would not really upset a fuel injected motor. Looking at the motor in the xb frame, it wouldn't take too much of a notch in the frame to allow a sidedraft-setup with a forcewinder-style inlet on the right-hand side. Then you could weld-up the frame hole for more fuel and use the airbox to keep your burger warm! | ||
| Ronlv |
buell boy i have a race ecm, drummer pipe, complete cutout air box with k&n filter(basicly no airbox just the top teardrop piece to hold my filter) and heat barrier and now a cut off v-stack what i was saying is with my current setup(see above)i could not feel a diffrence when i cut the stack, except it got louder i am ordering a new stock v-stack to put back on and with my current setup i dont believe any size or shape v-stack will do much(only a dyno can tell) i could see if some one still has there complete airbox on and does some mods to get more air yes they will feel something there is no innovation in that piece, its a f.a.s.t. knock off i bet i could get the same results from a rubber coupling from home depot everyones always out to make a fast buck how much is that piece of aluminum? how much is a heat barrier a piece of aluminum and a filter? the profit on some of that stuff is got to be $sick$ the problem with these bikes are, everyone who makes something for it(including the factory), charges both arms and both legs for it i just paid over 5 bucks for one screw all the after market guys need to take alook at there motive behind what they are doing i hate greed i have the money to buy anything i want for this bike(just ask daves), but i will not spend it on something that hasnt been PROVEN to do anything also, its sad when we have to shop in the uk or somewhere else for our american bikes to save money, i bought front and rear wave rotors including shipping for the price of the front only here in the states without shipping sorry, i dont know how i got off on that subject later, ron | ||
| Blake |
Beau, Thanks for the offer, but I'd like to be sure of an impartial test. It is simply too easy to manipulate dynomometer results. Absolutely no offense intended against you; it's just that I don't know you at all. For all I know you could be the same guy as the other two. My offer above stands. Put up or shut up. Pretty simple stuff eh? Ron, That thing doesn't look like a knock-off of the FAST stack that Hillbilly Motors produces. The HillBilly intake has nice rounded edge and no angular discontinuity. Am I wrong? | ||
| Ronlv |
knock off meaning a aluminum coupling between tb and filter also have you gone on the aussie site and seen the whole setup, that looks like knock off to me like i said i bet you can get the same results with a rubber coupling from home depot someone with dyno access please try it for the heck of it and let us know, post pics and dyno sheets to please anyone want to bet money that this will produce more horsepower than stock i am going to start a new thread that says i completely removed my airbox and bought this rubber coupling from home depot and a small piece of pipe and a couple hose clamps and clamped a k&n to the outside of my throttle body so it doesnt take any space from the inside bore and i got tire spinning, wheeling power from it and then i will sell them to everyone for 100 bucks and i know this will work because i used to be a plumber i am done with this topic, its been fun, buyer beware later, ron | ||
| M1combat |
"there is no innovation in that piece, its a f.a.s.t. knock off " It's inferior to the fast setup from what I can see. Ronlv... Who in the heck convinced you to cut off the velocity stack? Wait... "i just cut my v-stack off at the bottom(like they were talking about on the aussie site)" And then I suppose they were going to sell you one of those V-Stacks to fix it? If so... Sorry you fell for that one. | ||
| Ronlv |
yes it is inferior (that means not as good right) i am stupid (for a minute there i thought the aussies might be on to something) it was a cheap experiment (i thought, until i priced out what i cut off) if i was to buy any kit out there it would be a f.a.s.t. | ||
| Aussie_buell_riderz |
Hey everytime someone posts i sell a stack. Keep the posts coming guys. Buy the way the stack on the photo is a prototype. You dont think i would post a photo of the actual stack so that people could copy it do you? As far as dynos go we all know they are different, and further too that does anyone have a copy of a real dyno printout from Buell for there race kit??? the one on the buell site looks like a simulated dyno version?? Here is a picture of another prototype. BTW the fast and the devil are much the same in ways, simply put there is not too many ways you can fit a 3" pod to the throttle body the only variables are length and intake radius. BTW im not sure who deleted my posts and all this other crap about me being peel and now beau not sure what the motive is there but like i said keep the posts coming and too all those that have ordered thanks.  | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Blake You think it's possible to improve the stock design. If so, what would you do. This is my opinion, instead of cutting the air box and screwing with the stack. I’m going to work on the intake scoop. Because the scoop is also used for cooling, air can flow by the intake in the frame and cause a vacuum. An elbow scoop inside the main scoop would fix this problem and still allow flow for cooling. This way you have positive pressure in the air box, with a simple modification. I haven’t tried it yet, but I think you may be able to use a piece cut from the big end of the stock snorkel in some configuration. | ||
| Aussie_buell_riderz |
You can seal the hole in the frame. then cut a hole in the airbox covers and run a hose to the front fairing like on the old ZXR's Then you still get rear cooling (more since its not being robbed by the airbox) and you get ram air effect. (true ram air not like the fake buell version) That coupled with intake mods is what guys here are trying. However its not much more positive then using a Hillbilly airbox cover with the vents. | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Aussie_buell_riderz Buy the way the stack on the photo is a prototype. You dont think i would post a photo of the actual stack so that people could copy it do you? You just did, and you and peel have the same IP address. Peel has only made one post, the one you made @ the start of this thread. You also said, you only made 16 stacks, and didn't care if they sold or not. Seems like a whole line of bullsh_t to me. (Message edited by norrisperformance on April 19, 2005) | ||
| Kowpow225 |
Hmmm.... this is getting thick!! Better get busy ABR. Let's see some facts!! | ||
| Slaughter |
Facts - as in - stack v. stack v. stock stack (with and without airbox) Same ECM, Same pipe, Same dyno - same day, same settings. We all know how the dyno setup can be re-jiggered for altitude compensation, temperature and other factors. Put up or shut up - and if you are NOT selling your stack - why does it smell like you are? Do I see your paid-up ad on here? Did BADWEB change its policy since I signed up? There's TONS of stuff that I'd love to get free advertising on BADWEB to sell. Otherwise we're talking snow job. | ||
| Hogs |
Norris if you open the outer the outer cover with vents and screening one does not even need the scoop at all and IF you did not open the outer box cover ( the one with the buell stickers ) and just scooped air in there I`m not sure that you wouldn`t cause a big Tuberlance of air and that wd. not be a good thing either, Like I said I took my scoop off long ago and use it for scooping ICECREAM rear cyl. stays cool and don`t need it for air intake etc. etc LoL | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Hogs Did you plug the frame. | ||
| Hogs |
Nahhh , was thinking just tonight though might be a good spot to stick a can for them damn vent hoses , Man I wish somone wd. make a trick item to route them header vent hoses to, one with a filter and a drain , also clear so one can see whats inside, Notice my air filter had to much oil smudge in there the other day for my liking, seems like its not always oil there just sometimes , and them hoses one can kink them when taking that cover off and on if your not careful.. | ||
| Hogs |
Aussie_buell_riderz I`m not sure buddy but I do know that there are ALOT of GOOD Decent buell riders down under as they say and I wd. hate it that IF you are a down under person yourself , Your giving the GooD guys a BAd nameeeee , What do you say all HEy Hey Hogs RIGHT ON... LoL the Beer is good tonight!!!!!!!! | ||
| Aussie_buell_riderz |
The guys at www.aussiebuellriders.info use the mods i have suggested like cutting the tube off and so forth and they come back and say, yeah its awesome and works great. What more proof do i need then people trying my suggestions and then giving positive feedback? Even one of the guys in USA has tryied and was impressed with the tube mod and has since ordered a Devil Tube. Are all these guys in on the so called "Scam"? dyno sheets are one thing but people praising your mods is 100% more impressive. Bottom line is that these intakes are cheap, they work and work well and people are buying them. I am only selling limited numbers of them and have not yet reached the target. How many scams run where you get to try the product and can send it back for a refund if you are not happy with it? I run ABR and so everyone knows me and alot of guys know where i reside, what kind of scammer is so forward and has a forum and goes on riding evens with people he sells to? Blake the guy "Paul" that you mentioned is coming on an ABR riding event put on by me known as "Buell Fest" www.buellfest.com what kind of scammer runs a national buell ride day, where entry is free and you get free food (paid for via sponsors,merch and devil tube sales i might add)? I put into the buell community what do you guys do? Snow job? Please.... First have a go at the product and that fails, second have a go at the character then that fails... Whats next? Just because you cant come up with your own solutions doesn't mean you should get jealous of those that do, and feel you need to attack them to make yourself feel good. | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Well if someone wants one I'll machine it for ya. Since I am a sponsor and all. For 20.00 plus cost of material. Polished add 5.00 | ||
| Aussie_buell_riderz |
But Norris it doesn't work? what kind of scam are you trying to pull? Have a look at yourself, bagging the product and saying it wont work and that its Bu___hit then you come back and say you will take peoples money for it. How can you make one when you dont have the dimensions to make them, and or the data to make it right? There is a bit more to it then say making a points cover or a numberplate frame. Without having seen one in real life and only seeing pictures of prototypes and not the finished product you wouldn't know where to start. Geez you've come out of this well.... (Message edited by Aussie_buell_riderz on April 19, 2005) |
