| Author | Message | ||
     Jprovo  |
Matty, you suck. Seriously, go grab Slaughter's Firebolt frame and get cranking!!! Our see if you can pick this up. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4521001831&ca tegory=35562&sspagename=WDVW It's went through two auctions without a bidder. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Sounds like a good cause Matty. Speaking of getting Blasters to come out of the woodwork. The SLO Ride (California Blastin) is coming up the first weekend of April. Please pass this along. My goal (like yours) is to get people to appreciate the Blast for more than just a beginners bike. sorry, way off topic, but I had to throw that in. | ||
| Jprovo |
Matty, BTW, Lords O Knuckle Corn WTF??? | ||
| Slaughter  |
James, If this unofficial Blast "class" is to take off, I really shouldn't stuff a blast motor into the XB chassis but think in terms of a modified stocker. I might start looking at a Chris Matty replica while I put a second XB together as a "B" racebike. Heck, it's only time and money. I am glad I don't have kids or they'd have been sold into slavery a long time ago!!! | ||
| Jprovo |
Slaughter, I agree we should try and use the stock Blast frame to keep as much simplicity in the "class" as possible. I's seriously thinking about a Chris Matty replica also, I just need to find a $200 Blast... and the $200 buck to buy the $200 Blast, and the riding gear and the... Now if only Santa had given me that $1,000,000 tax-free that I awlays asked for, I'd be there. My long term goal is to start racing in late 2005, and to get my license be the start of the season in 2006. Best of luck Matty, I'll keep an eye out for parts that you might need. James | ||
| Slaughter |
Hey before we get too far down the path - maybe we ought to have a "handshake" agreement about allowable engine, suspension, bodywork and chassis mods. Ya think? Stock front end with mods allowed to forks? - Cartridge emulators and springs. Minimize internal mods Rear shock swap OK Chain drive OK stock wheels. DOT tires? | ||
| Sarodude |
Personal suggestions for a Blast racing class: First of all, STATE a prime directive for the class. "Fun, low cost, low maintenance racing using readily availble and affordable components." Intake - open - must use filter exhaust - open (noise?) ergonomics - open brakes - stock masters, calipers& rotors. pads & lines open fuel - ? bore - ? (stock oversize, 515, 550? 550 may be too much cost) stroke - stock crank - stock Primary & secondary ratios - stock post recall tranny - stock head - ? probably open tires - stock size wheels - stock (for now) ignition - open bodywork - stock appearing lighting & electrical - open frame - stock forks - ? allow brace, re-springing, different oil rear shock - ? (that right there would blow Matty's budget) For simplicity, anything not mentioned must remail stock unless the rules are appended. The idea is that relatively expensive & currently unavailable mods (like modded swingarms to allow ratio changes) just don't happen. Maybe 2 years from now we can have a commercially availble ratio-matic swingarm but one does not exist today. Thoughts? -Saro (Message edited by sarodude on February 05, 2005) | ||
| Ezblast  |
Saro you going to be Lolli's Race manager - she starts racing and my money goes on her! - lol GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Slaughter |
First of all, STATE a prime directive for the class. "Fun, low cost, low maintenance racing using readily availble and affordable components." Ab-so-lutely! (and my money is on Loli and Candice)} | ||
| Charlieboy6649  |
So you guys are biting on this blast race deal huh? I'm really interested... If you get it going, I'll find a Blast and come out from AZ! | ||
| Ezblast |
LOL - how about : Controls: Any Tires: Any Engine: Max. Comp.: 11.0 Max Head: Unlimited Max cam: Unlimited Max CC: 515 Intake: Unlimited Exhaust: Unlimited Stroke: Stock Why leave open room for such advantages - well first the advantages are not that great - no greater than the superbikes vs regular Buells, and second those advantages will mean nothing to the really good riders on their Blasts - refering openly to the affore mentioned women, James, and others and this way - within reason - you can see what other Blast riders are doing to make their bikes more competitive - realistically by just limiting the Balls to the walls Blasts from playing - they need to go beat up some XB's and SV's anyway - thats assuming there are a whole bunch of 600cc to 720cc Blasts out there to begin with - lol Hell - if you really shopped around for parts - you could pull in something simular to the NHRS kits at a quarter the price - minus the price of the ignition - and find a good local shop with a flow bench do your head - its not like they have to match flows with another head, just max the flow. Just an idea I'm tossing out there! GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Jprovo |
Here are my proposed rules, with most everything stolen liberally from the WSMC website. This will allow us to compete without problems in the 500c singles class. For me the goal should be a low-cost pacing platform, with as much stock parts as possible to allow for competitive, fun racing. 500cc SINGLES 1. Chassis and Suspension a.) Frames must be stock. Brackets and tabs may be removed. b.) Front suspension must be stock. Internal modifications (i.e. re-valving and springs) are permitted. I'm pretty sure that fork braces are allowed, and should be allowed c.) Rear shock(s) may be changed, mounting points may not be changed. For the time being, we hould keep stock shocks, and have someone develop some preload spacers. This will keep the cost down. d.) Swingarms must be stock. This basically shuts down a chain conversion. My thoughts are this, whoever can change gear ratios first will have a definite advantage. Since we are trying to keep this cheap, fun racing we should leave the stock belt drive alone untill we can make a chan conversion readily available to all people. e.) Wheels must be stock. f.) Brake calipers must be stock. Pads may be upgraded. Stock brake lines may be replaced with stainless-steel braided lines. Front brake rotors may be replaced with aftermarket steel rotors replicating o.e.m. dimensions, provided the aftermarket rotors m.s.r.p. is less than that of o.e.m. disc m.s.r.p. Rear rotors must be stock. g.) Tires must be D.O.T. street-legal approved. Slicks are not allowed. h.) Steering damper may be added. 2. Engine a.) Motor must be based on original (i.e. cases, cylinder head and cylinder). IE, stock head and cylinder, no millenium/Axtell cylinders, stock heads, no Firebolt Heads b.) Motor may be modified at your discretion. Cams, carburetors, pipes, pistons, clutch springs and plates, etc., are permitted. We should limit cam selection, stock carb only. I'm thinking: limit cams to B50's and Pro-Series cams which will allow stock valvegear and keep the cost down. This will also increase engine longevity. c.) Overbore is limited to 1mm over stock. Stroke must remain stock. This means NO 515 kits, +.030 bore only. d.) Starter and batteries may be removed. I think that the Blast bikes should be self starting, starter and battery required. How else are us novice racers going to be able to start our bikes when we get overanxious and stall them on the grid! 3. General a.) Streamlining (i.e. fairing) is not permitted, unless motorcycle was so equipped (oem) stock. Stock bodywork and tank, remove headlight and add a blank plate. b. open controls (bars and footpegs) Steve, I think that a rear racing tailsection would not be out of the intent of the rules, maybe we can deign one up if this gets serious and have them built for a nominal fee. I'm pretty sure that I can get a racing flyscreen pulled out of ABS by a guy at work. This will remove the stock headlight bucket. I'm sure that they will be cheap. James | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
I like the idea of sticking to the basic rules already in place for ease of implementation. | ||
| Ezblast |
Dam - that means I'd have to go racing on my red! - lol - to me thats funny - still one piston change later and she'd be ready and the tranny would be fresh! Too funny - but it is a good idea as a fun race group to play in! GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Mmelvis  |
I would say allow intake and exhaust mods. All else stock, see how far you can push the stock parts. Now that would produce some real close racing. Have a great day | ||
| Matty  |
Well James, thanks for the love??? Geez... what'd I do? =) I hate to let you guys down, but I'm using parts that I have or can get for cheap. I'm not going to spend dough on stock bits when I have better equipment on hand that I can make work. Remember, I'm doing this on a tight budget and gotta do what I gotta do =) If more parts had been usable, then I think I could have kept this thing pretty stock. As far as running it in the all blast class with the rules suggested, I'm out since I won't be using the stock rims or tires. I will be busy picking off MZ's and other scary fast singles, so I'm going in a slightly different direction. It's really cool to see you guys getting into this and the class rules/suggestions are definitely sounding good! | ||
| Mmelvis |
Matty, have you done much racing against the MZs in the area that your are in ? I have found I can pass them in the turns but I am destroyed on the long straights. Have a great day | ||
| Jprovo |
Matty, You know I have to give you a hard time  Actually, I'm extremely jealous. I wish I had stumbled across a project like that. In the meantime, I'll pinch my pennies and put all my cigarette money into the "James goes racing fund." Day two of quitting (again) and counting. I understand that you are going to build with whatever you can get cheap, you are on a tight bugget to to this for $1000. I'm hoping that you can really build this bike for under a grand, let me know if I can help out. BTW, keep your eyes out for many more finds like that! James | ||
| Matty |
James, thanks for the heads up on that frame! I'm waiting to hear from the guy. Of course I will - we need more folks out there. It took me 3 years of saving my cigarette money to get this thing going, but that was only because I took all the money I was spending on cigs and giving it to Peet's coffee and Starbucks. =) Start running or something like that. Once you start wheezing and hacking it'll remind you why you don't smoke anymore. It worked for me anyway. Mmel, Not too much against the MZ's yet. The twins run in a different practice group and I've only run a couple singles on our track days. It really isn't that much different than what we are up against in the heavywieght class - pass them in the turns, get passed in the straight, pass them again in the turns, rinse, repeat. | ||
| Slaughter |
I got an email back from the guy - That EBAY auction for the Blast frame is ONLY for a swingarm (even though it lists and the pic shows a frame/swingarm). No wonder he's not getting bids. (Message edited by slaughter on February 09, 2005) | ||
| Matty |
Thanks Ralph, but I don't feel like walking that far =) Henry is shipping a frame this week, he managed to scrounge one up for us and it's not going to cost us much more including the shipping. Things are looking really good! We may have this on track and racing next month! | ||
| Slaughter |
Chris, You get points in Lightweight and Heavyweight and GET THE HE** out of Nervice !! | ||
| Matty |
Well, things are still unfolding with my project Blast. The motor cases ended up being too twisted from whatever accident they were in to be used. So, things are on hold until I find some cases. On another related note, this weekend we got the S1 framed Blast on the podium in its maiden race! =) Scored a 3rd place out of 16, against every kind of 0-500 cc machine you can think of. Hot Diggity! (Message edited by matty on March 21, 2005) | ||
| Matty |
Where'd the pic go? Try this again...  | ||
| Mutt2jeff |
Very nice!! | ||
| Slaughter |
Yeah - the 2 bikes that finished ahead of Matty were 250cc GP bikes. Face it, 30 more HP and maybe 50 less pounds is a big advantage. The Blast/Beast looked and sounded totally unique out there!! | ||
| Ezblast |
Great job!  GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Slaughter |
Any of you within a couple hours distance of Willow ought to come out on race weekend - 3rd Sunday of every month. Our Buell/BRAG mob always pits to the left, second row towards the Turn 1 area. Look for the Glendale and Bartels folks. We ALWAYS notice somebody coming out on a Buell but even if you come out on anything else - 2 or 4 wheels, stop on by - it's a fun bunch of folks!!! Saturday is practice, Sunday is racing. It's a great spectator sport. | ||
| Phillyblast |
And so it begins . . . Matty and Slaughter got me thinkin' - and then I posted over on the Borg about a "cheap track bike" since I was looking at either a Kawi Ex250 or a Blast. Figured everyone here, no offense intended, would say "get the Blast", since we're a little biased, so I was better off checking there. Well, I just got off the phone a few minutes ago with our fave fireman and I'm buying an S3 frame and forks from him. I pick up my old Blast from the guy I sold it to last year on Sunday, and I'm going to build what I hereby dub a "Matty Special". The plan for the foreseeable future is toss a set of Clubman bars on the stock Blast and modify the pegs for clearance so I can do a couple of track days with it. Long term, get the parts together and stuff the Blast motor and trans into the S3 frame and have some fun. | ||
| Matty |
You're on the right path! Start out with the stock Frame - you will be amazed at how well it works. Not to discourage you, stuffing the Blast motor into a tube frame is no easy task. The rear of the motor needs to be chopped off and new mounts need to made to fit the swingarm mount. It would take far less fabrication to fit the motor into an XB chassis, but yous gots to works with whats yous gots right? And we know the Tube frame Blast works incredibly well! |
