| Author | Message | ||
     Steve_mackay  |
Make frame sliders, of course!  Well, at least virtual ones for now   | ||
| Bomber  |
Hey steve -- I'm making something very similar -- any reason you but the head of the fasteners in the inside? seems like they might be kinda rough to install that way -- I'd understand if it was to keep the face of the mounts clean, but you very accurately and carefully show the fasterner ends coming thorugh the face of the mount, so that ain't it -- inquiring minds want to know (or, at least, mine does ;-} ) | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Well, to tell ya the truth, I didn't think about it that much, and you're absolutely right!  | ||
| U4euh  |
When and how much?? I know, I know, you don't wanna make em. Just been looking for so long for something like that, I am about to modify some axle sliders for a Kawi. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
But you have an XB? This design really only works for tubers by attaching directly to the frame.(S2, S3, M2s, S1s, X1s etc...) And besides, I ain't sellin' 'em. You can get tube frame sliders thru American Sport Bike | ||
| Al_lighton  |
Very similar to the ones that Steve is making for himself, in fact. See here  For the XB, I really don't recommend any of the options other than the Buell frame pucks. I am a dealer for both Sato and LSL, yet I don't carry either of their frame sliders. I don't believe in them, I believe they will cause more harm than good in many crashes. The LSL sliders transfer forces to the engine mount bolts (right side) and the primary case cover bolts (left side). Bad tiki if you ask me. And the Sato's use the small tabs for the front heim joint hanger, those tabs were never meant to take the kind of loads a low side will throw at them. I'd probably sell some sets and make a few bucks, but eventually it would come back to me when a frame got unnecessarily destroyed. Al | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Actually, every XB should have those Buell frame pucks. The frame you save, could be your own! And for what, $40? Come on, that's CHEAP insurance! I agree with Al. A frame slider *SHOULD NOT* attach anywhere on the engine. That's just asking for trouble IMHO. I want to make a set of sliders for the Blast. But just can't find a good place to mount them. The engine is out of the question for me. | ||
| Djkaplan  |
Is that in SolidWorks? | ||
| M1combat  |
If it's in Solid Works, model that and where it connects to and run an FEA on it... I'd REALLY like to see that done with the ones that mount to the engine. Not that it would prove anything we don't already know but I'd like to see it. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Djkaplan, no, it's not solidworks. It's VX I could still run an FEA test on the part. | ||
| Blake |
Gotta calculate loading first. Then there is the issue of the restraints/constraints. Push-button FEA makes a lot of pretty pictures that don't mean squat. Yeah, it's a sore spot with me. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Yup, which is why I've never bothered with it on this part | ||
| U4euh |
Yes Steve, I know this particular part wouldn't work on the XB's. The only sliders that seem to be available(beside the frame pucks) are those LSL sliders. I think those might do more damage, than good. Any one have any data on those during a left side down crash? | ||
| Bomber |
Steve -- thanks for the clarification -- I was eye-balling the MaDeuece, trying to figure out how to the the allen wrench in back -- I figured you were just a bit more limber then me! ;-} | ||
| Smokedaddy |
Interesting read. -SD: | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Jay has had a couple of those type articles in the past. All of them have been dead on. I was just thinking about this topic the other day. Wondering as Jay did where all the motor heads have gone. We don't have a single one in my neighborhood under the age of 30. I did my first tune up when I was 8 including points, plugs, cap, rotor and wires all on a fire engine red 1964 406 Ford with a 3 duce intake (man would I kill to have that car now!). I rebuilt my first V8 when I was 14. There were countless small engines in between the two above events. Now only 1 neighbor changes his own oil. They built the new high school here about 6 years ago. There were no "dirty" arts facilities included in the plans. Only "fine" arts. No wood, metal or auto shop. That's what they classified as "dirty" arts. Their excuse was that if a student wanted these classes, they could go to the local vo-tech. Talk about making a kid feel like a second class student! I wrote a smoking letter to the school board about their ignorance. It was never acknowledged. I go out of my way to take time with the neighborhood kids when they stop by the "Mens Crisis Center". During the summer it's a rare Saturday when I'm not working on something. Someone always stops by just to "chat". If I'm welding, I ask them if they'd like to give it a try. When I'm wrenching I explain what I'm doing and why. I put parts in their hands. I point out the good part and the broken part and try to get them to figure out what happened. I too worry about our future and our ability to "make stuff". I truly believe our current generation could not react to a national crisis as did "The Greatest Generation". I truly hope I am wrong... Brad |
