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Hootowl
| | Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 09:48 pm: | 
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Buelldriver,
I have a 99X1, no pinging. I have a full D&D with the race ECM. Just wondering, are you using the new spark plugs? I know the 99 models had the hotter plugs in them. If you are, putting the cooler (Blast) plug in might help. Also, the 99's had intake gaskets that tend to harden and leak. Might want to check that too. Course, since your top end was rebuilt recently, that's probably already been taken care of. We have 93 octane gas here (Houston) so that helps I'm sure.
Jeff |
Kcbill
| | Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 10:15 pm: |
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All I have to say is it made some difference at the time. What any body wants to believe is up to them. I experimented with octane boosters and they didn't seem to help. I had a ping at 3,000rpm and with Fitch it moved it up to 4,500. That's the only reason I tried it. Brian suggested we must have bad grade of gas in this area. At this time I don't give a rats hinney what any body thinks. It was a last ditch effort to try and identify a problem. Blake if you noticed a 20 mile increase in a tank of gas, lets say four tanks, riding like you always do what would think? Ahh come on. Thats right if you put it on this web sight we'd just beat you up for it. Come on you know we would. Because without a lab test it wouldn't be valid. I do alot of testing and alot of work for researchers. I know about testing. I know you can make alot of things turn out the way you want. Just because you talked to one eng. that ran one test does not validate or invalidate a test. I would want to see all the test to form a true answer. So I think maybe every body could be right. NO? Hey this has been fun. Lets play again soon. Happy Buelling to all. Ok what do we talk about now? |
Kcbill
| | Posted on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 10:29 pm: |
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Seriously to every one that posted on this topic. I do believe it is healthy to bring to discussion topics. Pros and cons. One reason I am sad that our beloved Battle 2 Win is gone. Some more Tact and Diplomacy may be in order for some. Easier to lead than to drive theory. That is another reason that I believe this web sight is needed. A lot of good info. round here. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 12:35 am: |
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Quote:Blake if you noticed a 20 mile increase in a tank of gas, lets say four tanks, riding like you always do what would think?
Please see #3 and the other points in my post above.
Quote:Just because you talked to one eng. that ran one test does not validate or invalidate a test.
The test was not invalid, however, the conclusions drawn from the results were not credible. The margin for error far exceeded the range of variation between the samples not to mention that the testing lacked ANY sort of control sample. This is simple statistics and basic principles of scientific testing. The lab did what APC payed them to do, nothing more nothing less. APC paid for testing that produced meaningless results. How much credibility does that give them?
Try taking the FFC out of your tank. See if the pinging worsens. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 12:40 am: |
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Buelldriver,
The dyno tuning is a good idea, especially if it includes an O2 sensor and A/F ratio results. Your bike should NOT be pinging with a race ECM. |
Kcbill
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 10:30 am: |
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The motor had 4k at that time. I think we were past breakin. |
Buelldriver
| | Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 06:44 pm: |
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Hootowl / Blake Thanks for the input. I'll give all the ideas a try one at a time so that I know which one actually fixes the problem. Ride Safe.... |
Ken01mp
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:20 pm: |
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alright, i just read this topic from top to bottom. the conclusions i have drawn on the fitch catalyst are as such:
1- Dollars to doughnuts the performance or milage increases are based on the grade or quality of fuel used. Aaron used race gas, tough to make a difference there. im guessing torqd, also having a hot bike, wasnt running your average gas either. maybe it does help that shit gas you get at the shell station. i love your math blake, makes a ton of sense, but you are basing it on Aarons test, again, with race gas.
2- Even the stupidest crap you will see on the Home Shopping Network is based on some senseable theory. there has to be SOME real world reasoning behind all this. i know a little about how the government works, and they are pretty thorough about testing stuff for the DOD.
just my 2 cents
Ken |
Aaron
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:57 pm: |
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"Aaron used race gas"
correction: premium unleaded pump gas |
Ken01mp
| | Posted on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 05:14 pm: |
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well, that shoots my theory all to hell then
piss on it, the stuff is junk. i saw hi test and i though race gas. my bad. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 01:03 am: |
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Quote:"Even the stupidest crap you will see on the Home Shopping Network is based on some sensible theory."
I agree. The sensible and well proved theory which you allude to was originally postulated by one P. T. Barnum.
Quote:"A fool and his money are soon separated."
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Used_96_s1
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 02:58 pm: |
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At the VRI (Vehicle Research Institute) at WWU (Western Washington University), they have tested many products with similar claims enough times that they don't bother any more; None of those things work, they are pure hokum. |
Thunderbox
| | Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 03:33 pm: |
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I tested a similar product for The Canadian Armed Forces about 1989. Did every test I could think of. Used generator sets, and a controlled bank of resistors. Ran the gen sets over long periods of time controlling the loads. Never found an iota of evidence that the device made any difference. I spent the better part of 2 weeks refining the testing and nothing. I wouldn't even spend your money on one let alone mine lol. |
Dcmortalcoil
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 05:46 pm: |
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It's the first time I've seen and heard about it. An interesting concept. Drop two packets of catalysts into the fuel tank. They suppose to optimize the fuel before it goes into the engine to improve performance. The advertised test runs show small hp gain. See the advertised dyno result:
http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/techinfo/testresults.html
If it works, it's a cheap way to gain hp. Anyone use it? Is it worth $50? I'm willing to try if it provides even minute amount of performance improvement or improve fuel mileage. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:09 pm: |
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SNAKE |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:09 pm: |
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OIL |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:12 pm: |
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but no one has tested it in conjunction with a set of torque cones yet, so who knows. |
Odie
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:36 pm: |
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Ha Ha!! |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:51 pm: |
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Total unmitigated con. See the testing and discussion in KV topic of same name.  |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 09:13 pm: |
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And check for torque cones/stuffers in the KV as well . |
Dcmortalcoil
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 02:43 am: |
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You guys are not being helpful at all. Are you basing your opinion on personal knowledge or just your conjecture? Have you even read how it works? I want some real answers from people who have tried it.
Exception - Blake's link. That's the sort of answer I was looking for, not some seat-of-the-pants conjecture.
(Message edited by dcmortalcoil on January 22, 2005) |
Outrider
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 06:22 am: |
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DC...It was tested a few years back in one of the MC Mags and was dismissed as snake oil (read: no value). However, if it tickles your fancy, go ahead and test it for yourself and post your report. Who knows, it may be "New and Improved." Yeah, sure.  |
Xlcrguy
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 08:39 am: |
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Get hold of a copy of Nov 2001 Motorcycle Consumer News. They tested and suggested it is essentially a waste of money. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 10:00 am: |
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Aaron did a ton of work including very methodical tests and dyno runs here a long time ago, it should be in the knowledge vault. Pure snake oil. |
Josh_
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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There's no such thing as a free lunch. |
Dcmortalcoil
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 04:55 pm: |
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After reading the posts here and reading some independent studies posted in the web, I don't think it's a snake oil type of product. This is a product used by many commercial vehicles, including the US Navy, and many more governmental agencies. Even Buell tested (back in 1998) with a positive feedback. I figure this as a $50 test to see if it will work on my bike.
I know my bike (with TFI) gives me 120-130 per tank before the light comes on. I'll see how much farther (or less) it will go. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 07:42 pm: |
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Don't forget to get the magnets for your fuel line.
Although I have my doubts that magnets can reduce pain, some friends of mine swear by the shoe inserts with magnets & insist that is has improved their martial arts by easing foot pain. I fail to understand the mechanism, but there are stories.
Since it has been tested & shown that magnets wrapped around your fuel line do nothing but collect iron filings, ( if you are dumb enough to add them to your gas ) there is hope it will reduce your wallet pain after spending $50 on a fraud. |
Josh_
| | Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 08:23 pm: |
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What about STP, Slick50, Splitfires, the capacator spark plug wires, a tornado air swirler and a set of Ginsu knives? You ought to save enough gas to be able to sell the excess and actually make money! |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 09:39 am: |
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I may be unfair. STP helps with worn out engines, temporarily. Slick 50 seemed to work in my buds Chevette. But no change in my van.
So.... go ahead & waste ( imho ) your money, let us know if the skeptics are wrong.
Be aware that the very next tank full will show you used less gas, since the fuel dingus's take up volume. Also, when anyone gets a fuel economy gizmo, they pay more attention to their driving, and thus show an improvement in mileage. I got a bud to see a 3-4 mpg boost in mileage, by adding Iso- alchohol, and telling him it was new hot stuff. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 01:20 pm: |
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Here are the facts... complete with Dyno charts.
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/3842/16471.html?1106491171 |
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